Hope we just walk away from the greedy bastards, maybe have a pop at jack and see if villia would be willing to sell this January
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Close is so relative that you can say it mean different things.
Essex is close to London if you're driving but if you're walking it's far.
If only they would give a percentage or something to indicate how much of the deal is actually done.
Essex is close to London if you're driving but if you're walking it's far.
If only they would give a percentage or something to indicate how much of the deal is actually done.
Quite frankly it's not some outlandish logics behind it from their side. It's the January window so the prices are always gonna be fecked up, we've had our chance to sign him up in the summer but we've, allegedly, decided to go against it due to his shit passing (
) so I presume this adds to the price as well.I've already said it but it reeks of the same type of incompetence we've already shown when buying Maguire a season later for additional 20 or so. Same shit is happening here. Problem is, we don't buy him now, it's going to be even harder in the summer because of Euro. So many factors might come in: lack of time, no negotiations during the Euro, player going on vacay after the Euro, him being a superstar bumping his price and attracting other clubs' interest, some other players that play for Sporting getting sold so they're not so desperate to sell Bruno and can feck around with the price and when to sell him, etc., etc.
It's going to be a fecking long ass summer and we should prepare for helluva shit excuses.
We already have and they aren't.
Same but from the looks of it he might be out of our market pull ability right now. We maybe need a few Fernandes types and to start competing before we can really pull in these exceptional talents.
Seems to me it's because we have money but put all our eggs into one basket transfer target, we seem to only negotiate for one player at a time during the transfer window only and we've allowed ourselves to decline as a team and trimmed our squad so much that we are desperate for new players mid season.
Basically shit planning and management from Ed and the gang create more urgency for us that other teams take advantage of.
Am glad that we are playing hardball and won’t be fleeced. Though would prefer this stuff is done in private and not in real time social media.
Would be great if Bruno joins, but he’s not worth losing financial credibility over.
We've just done it in the summer making Maguire the most expensive defender in the world. What financial credibility are we talking about here.
Lets bid 35 milllion for Dani Olmo, just for fun.
Supply and demand. We have leverage here.
Supply and demand. We have leverage here.
Still confident this will be done but will be in the last days of the window with giga money spent after wasting loads of times for nothing. That's how our clueless Woodward does his job.
I wouldn’t want the club paying 80m for this guy. It would do more harm than good imo.
I dont see it this way. Plans are always there but sometimes they don’t work as planned: eg our Mourinho plan didn’t work so we now have to pivot.
Once we committed to OGS, it was crystal clear to all concerned that a massive clear out was necessary. And given how advanced City and Liverpool were, there was no way we’d challenge this season.
So board have planes this season as a write off and using it as the ‘cultural reboot’ that has has been talked about.
But asking 50% more for a bid they accept 4 month before is a joke. I think we are just bad with the dark art of transfers. Get the player to play up, refuse to play, not turn up to training. Instead he’s playing a full 90 minutes whilst we are trying to negotiate.
Agree. It's really hard to scoff at an asking price of €80m a few months after paying £80m for Harry Maguire.
Here we go again. As previously predicted. Sporting want £68m for Fernandes which United are apparently unwilling to pay.
But i bet we would if it was £60m.
We paid £50m for Fred FFS. And £80m for a central defender.
We've set the market. Now just feckin pay the money.
But i bet we would if it was £60m.
We paid £50m for Fred FFS. And £80m for a central defender.
We've set the market. Now just feckin pay the money.
EUROS. It is £68m. Just £18m more than Fred and he gives us creativity and goals.
That sounds like a truly great plan.
Oh boy! They better pray this doesn't fall through. May as well pitch several millions of their own money to help see the deal go through
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If he played for United like he has done the last two years, it's money well spent.
Bigger and supposedly better players than him have arrived at United, and been a massive disappointment
It happens at other clubs, but as United fans, we notice it more when they fail at Old Trafford.
In recent years the gut feeling is we have brought in some overpriced average players, on long contracts, and
wages that seem disproportionate to their ability, ( that sentiment applies to contract renewals as well )
But I bet fans at other clubs think the same about some of their players as well.
The team and especially the midfield needs to be improved, I think he will do that, ( not really that difficult )
Is the higher cost worth it, no one really knows until he has been playing at OT for a while.
At Liverpool, everyone agreed VVD was a great defender, but I seem to recall, many thought they had paid too much, I bet they don't think that now.
Big teams are full of players brought in, that have flourished at a higher level when given the chance, at the same time the reserves are full of players that did not warrant the price and the hype.
SAF bought his fair share of Duds, but in the last few years, It feels like United to have almost cornered the market in unsuitable, overpriced underperforming players. looking for a good payday, as a result, there is more caution and scepticism than in the past.
It's not the manager(s) it happened under different managers since SAF has left.
It's impossible to know, for the older ones, I thought Birtles, Veron and much more recently I thought Delemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Di Maria, Sanchez, Falcao would all help United achieve bigger things. ( sure the list is bigger than That )
Is he good enough to be the long-term fix, we will not know for sure until he plays for at least the rest of this season.
No one can say for sure, but at this time, I believe he will make our team and midfield better than it has been for some time.
Bigger and supposedly better players than him have arrived at United, and been a massive disappointment
It happens at other clubs, but as United fans, we notice it more when they fail at Old Trafford.
In recent years the gut feeling is we have brought in some overpriced average players, on long contracts, and
wages that seem disproportionate to their ability, ( that sentiment applies to contract renewals as well )
But I bet fans at other clubs think the same about some of their players as well.
The team and especially the midfield needs to be improved, I think he will do that, ( not really that difficult )
Is the higher cost worth it, no one really knows until he has been playing at OT for a while.
At Liverpool, everyone agreed VVD was a great defender, but I seem to recall, many thought they had paid too much, I bet they don't think that now.
Big teams are full of players brought in, that have flourished at a higher level when given the chance, at the same time the reserves are full of players that did not warrant the price and the hype.
SAF bought his fair share of Duds, but in the last few years, It feels like United to have almost cornered the market in unsuitable, overpriced underperforming players. looking for a good payday, as a result, there is more caution and scepticism than in the past.
It's not the manager(s) it happened under different managers since SAF has left.
It's impossible to know, for the older ones, I thought Birtles, Veron and much more recently I thought Delemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Di Maria, Sanchez, Falcao would all help United achieve bigger things. ( sure the list is bigger than That )
Is he good enough to be the long-term fix, we will not know for sure until he plays for at least the rest of this season.
No one can say for sure, but at this time, I believe he will make our team and midfield better than it has been for some time.
This is going exactly the way of the summer transfers:
1. All seems going smoothly
2. Selling club not happy with structure
3. Posturing for a while
4. Both teams (mostly United) cave and the player signs.
I've still no doubt he'll sign, have a feeling it would be for more than United want though, which is the reality of where we are right now.
1. All seems going smoothly
2. Selling club not happy with structure
3. Posturing for a while
4. Both teams (mostly United) cave and the player signs.
I've still no doubt he'll sign, have a feeling it would be for more than United want though, which is the reality of where we are right now.
Certainly that’s what Leicester are hoping.
There still haven’t been many 100m transfers. Clubs don’t have to sell any more. This is why the Eriksen situation, as many posters have noted in other threads, will become increasingly common.
Aren’t Spurs after him for the summer? Not every top player is heavily contested.
We just need someone to push us that extra step otherwise there’s just no chance we’re getting top 4
If that is what happens with this...fine. But it doesn't normally happen.
That’s the issue, I am not sure he will. If he does you are spot on it would be worth it. Fred was also supposed to give us something we lack in MF, and he is not even an upgrade on Herrera.
So in total, 2 examples from 2 clubs in the past decade, actually 3 (Coutinho).
Both James and Coutinho were a special ones, not wanted at Madrid or Barca but no-one prepared to buy them at their price, was smart of Bayern to take the punt on both as loanees and then ship him back if they aint all that.
The point is, big clubs very rarely loan in players.
No assists no goals merchant. You pay a premium for creativity and goals...obviously
It shouldn't matter how many clubs are in for him. He is more AM than CM and not many clubs play that position.
Madrid don't play with AMs and they even have players like Asensio, Isco.
Barca - no place for AMs. Maybe the same reason why Coutinho struggled.
PSG - same. They play 433 and with Neymar, Mbappe, Icardi, Di Maria there isn't position for AM
Inter - plays 352 and they are signing Eriksen.
Juventus - Even Dybala isn't playing in his strongest position. Same like others they don't play with AM.
Liverpool - 433 team
City - they play AMs as CM and they have enough AMs.
Bayern - could have been the 1 option and they have Coutinho in their squad.
His position is almost non existent in today's game. Most team plays 4-3-3.
So just 18m more than someone else we vastly overpaid for?
If anything it shows we shouldnt sign him
You asked a genuine question and I answered genuinely, I have no idea what original point you was getting at.
Chelsea loaned Kovacic and Higuain
Bayern signed James, Coutinho, Coman on loan.
Juventus, Inter signed many players on loan.
Juventus and Inter are big clubs, they used loan deal very well.
All I would say if Spur had a bid accepted for £45m plus add ons on the summer if we were interested why didn’t we match the offer?
We needed him in the summer, we had the money yet decided to wait 4 months to negotiate. It’s poor planning which ever way you look at it.
We needed him in the summer, we had the money yet decided to wait 4 months to negotiate. It’s poor planning which ever way you look at it.
right stance from Utd.
no one else is interested in the player, Sporting priced out spurs in the summer. He’s a good player, but not proven in a decent league, so we have a limit.
How did that work out ? That is a Scheduled flight, he will not be on that, if and when it will be on private jet.
Good job you are not doing the negotiating. Or maybe you are and that is the problem. Just do the deal!
Neither was Fred!
Exactamundo
I can see where this going. We've pulled back now. Will beat LFC tomorrow then claim we dont need him anyway.
Bayern - currently Perisic. There was Douglas Costa & Benatia & Kingsley Coman.
Real Madrid - Areola, Chicarito, Essien,
Barca - Kevin Prince Boateng, Murillo,
Juventus - loads
Didn't we loan Falcao though? Can't remember tbh.
Oh please. Just because we overpaid for Fred means feck all. He is not worth 80m be it euros or pounds.
I am with Ed on this.
That price in this market is not unreasonable. Joao Felix was picked up by Atletico for £113m from the same league. And Fernandes has better numbers in that league.
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