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Telegraph: Gary Neville calls for Ed Woodward to be sacked for Manchester United's 'unforgivable' recruitment
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Checked his bank account and decided that's probably enough for 6 lifetimes, l can afford to tell the truth.
Fergie? He said a football club should be run by football people at the Bayern 99 legends game in the summer
It's been reported Ed is a really nice bloke, just not very good at this job.
I don't usually agree with him but he is right on this. Woodward should have been sacked along with Mourinho and the club should have taken steps to bring in Van Der Sar as his replacement to lead the restructuring and rebuild of the club. The Glazers own the club so there isn't really much you can do to them if they are unwilling to sell but pressure has to be brought to bear on them to bring someone to clean up Woodward's mess because continuing with this shambles will cause irreparable damage to the club.
Absolutely right, his alarming drop in form was the perfect time to get rid, we have more than capable replacements in Romero and Henderson. No-one would get close to his previous wages after his disastrous last season, yet we give him even more money when he's clearly on the decline.Apparently De Gea's latest contract makes him the highest paid player the the league.
This was after he started to become more error prone, we reward mediocrity.
Nobody else in world football was going to give him close to those wages and his performances were not exactly making him irreplaceable at the time.
We are a laughing stock.
How can we hope to have a balanced squad with a keeper as top earner?
If we ever do get consistently performing forwards and midfielders, they will be entitled to ask for more than the the error prone GK.
It was actually a worse decision than the Sanchez salary, at least that was recognized as ridiculous.
Another player we'll end up paying to play somewhere else when Henderson replaces him but we can't sell him because of his contract.
Isn't that contradictory? get him the feck out ? after declaring theres no longterm plan and we react to everything? you want to react to short term results..
He's now trying to build the foundation of a new young team as much as instant results.
It’s clear to everybody except the Glazers that Woodward should lose his job, but he won’t be sacked.
If he was sacked, and we brought in a proper “dof” and a board of football people, Ole probably wouldn’t be in a job either.
It wouldn’t surprise me if we eventually sack Ole and inadequately replace him, it’s a vicious cycle at this point.
If he was sacked, and we brought in a proper “dof” and a board of football people, Ole probably wouldn’t be in a job either.
It wouldn’t surprise me if we eventually sack Ole and inadequately replace him, it’s a vicious cycle at this point.
Short term results?? we've been awful for 7 years.
Also it is fine building a young side, if you get the best talent, not just that they are young and run around. A young side also need top class coaching.
Very good from Neville. He’s a bit annoying at times but he does want whats best for the club
Same as Ole. Both with good intentions but clearly not up to the mark.
Don't think it is a never sack philosophy. He said something in terms he will never call for a manager to be sacked publicly which isn't quite the same. A bit weird stance and he does talk crap at times, but you are bound to do that when your main job is to talk in media. He also said that the club should never hire a manager like Mourinho again and was way smarter when he talked about Ole being given a permanent job then people at the club and most people here. And that's his "pal" Ole we are talking about. This is somewhere at the end of that brilliant run under him.
"I do have conflicting views. Personally, I would want [Solskjaer] to have a shot at the job he's got now. But on the other hand I want the club to make an unemotional decision—that is, is Solskjaer the best person for the job?
"If the answer is yes at the end of the season because he's got them into the top four and they've won the FA Cup, you'd say: 'How can you not give him the job?'"
As for this interview, good. Hope he talks every week about it.
Woodward isn’t going anywhere, maybe he’d react and appoint a DOF but it’ll just be another yes man. Eventually he’ll sack Ole and that will be it, for all the talk of a plan, it’s just same incompetent people not being held accountable.
Its clear there isn’t a huge budget yet we spent 130 on two defenders neither of whom are top class, even when they do spend money it’s a disaster and wage bill makes club a laughing stock.
Its clear there isn’t a huge budget yet we spent 130 on two defenders neither of whom are top class, even when they do spend money it’s a disaster and wage bill makes club a laughing stock.
Because we've tried the instant fix over and over with zero continuity, having recognised that we're clearly going in a new longterm direction, as painful as the results are at times.
If we sack ed & ole a year into a rebuild project we're likely to just be go back to trying the instant fix method and keep failing.
To be fair he always thinks the managers should be given more time.
Ed's had what? 7 yrs? I think he's had enough
That much is clear and I am afraid things are likely to get worse the longer he stays. I also don't think that he is a man who is humble enough to take a step back and defer to a football man running the football side, his ego simply won't let him.
Maybe, just maybe, the timing of Neville’s comment is to take attention away from Ole’s incompetence with Rashford
fecking hellWithout a doubt we have the most incompetent and scummy owners/chief ex in football. They are getting millions shoved down their pockets each year for failing miserably at one of the biggest names out there in sports. Turned us into a banter club and are probably laughing behind the scenes as they're doing it. As someone else on here said the fecking lot of them are probably liverpool fans.
As much as Woodward is out of his depth in the footballing side, hes great in terms of business.
Sacking him seems popular, but in reality, what should happen is he is replaced in terms of all his football related duties and focused solely on business.
Get a DOF in, someone with actual experience in the position, to build the club's scouting system and decide long-term strategy and recruitment plans.
Sacking him seems popular, but in reality, what should happen is he is replaced in terms of all his football related duties and focused solely on business.
Get a DOF in, someone with actual experience in the position, to build the club's scouting system and decide long-term strategy and recruitment plans.
So hypothetically, say Woodward is sacked and a new man (or woman, I guess I need to get with the times) is brought in, what happens regarding recruitment? Does the new person not pursue the players his manager wants, whoever that is, or does he, being a ‘football person’ and all that, recruit independently?
I’m not sure what difference it makes who exactly the person is signing the players his manager asks him too.
I’m not sure what difference it makes who exactly the person is signing the players his manager asks him too.
Woodward doesn’t choose the players. The manager gives a list. Hence why Moyes signed Fellaini, LVG signed people like Blind and Depay, Mourinho singed players like Zlatan, and Lukaku.
It's very well-timed, considering he's barely said a word about the ownership/CEO for yonks. I just think he's as frustrated as us fans and feels he needs to 'say something' but is still hesitant to say anything about the on-field situation so he's targeting the board instead.
7 years and £960 Million quid in transfers......Goodness knows how much in wages, bonuses and fees!!
It really is an unbelievable level of incompetence bordering on criminal, all that money and what's to show for it?
Most of those players have already gone from the club, some are probably/hopefully close to an exit and most of the others, well it's questionable if they are even good enough to be at united at all.
| Fellaini | 30 | Gone | Moyes |
| Mata | 40 | Almost | Moyes |
| Di Maria | 67 | Gone | LvG |
| Shaw | 34 | Questionable | LvG |
| Herrera | 32 | Gone | LvG |
| Rojo | 18 | Almost | LvG |
| Blind | 16 | Gone | LvG |
| Falcao | 6 | Gone | LvG |
| Milinkovic | 2 | Gone | LvG |
| Martial | 54 | Questionable | LvG |
| Schneiderlin | 32 | Gone | LvG |
| Depay | 31 | Gone | LvG |
| Darmian | 16 | Gone | LvG |
| Schweinsteiger | 8 | Gone | LvG |
| Romero | free | LvG | |
| Pogba | 95 | Almost | Jose |
| Mkhitaryan | 38 | Gone | Jose |
| Bailly | 34 | Almost | Jose |
| Ibrahimovic | 7 | Gone | Jose |
| Lukaku | 76 | Gone | Jose |
| Matic | 40 | Almost | Jose |
| Lindelof | 32 | Questionable | Jose |
| Sanchez | 31 | Gone | Jose |
| Fred | 53 | Questionable | Jose |
| Grant | 2 | Almost | Jose |
| Dalot | 20 | Questionable | Jose |
| Maguire | 80 | Ole | |
| Wan-Bissaka | 50 | Ole | |
| James | 15 | Ole | |
959 |
#notyourclub #woodwardout!
If we recruit properly we wont need to start the rebuild again. For example Poch would suit this current setup. Im not sure what ceo would come in, we might hire someone internally.
What?
You have to wonder what kind of shit went behind the scenes when Fergie was still the manager. Selling Ronaldo for world record fee and not even spending half of it in the same transfer window for a proper replacement? And all the BS about the right players not being availlable - agent fee's. I'm starting to think Woodie played a part in all that shiit.
Would hope for VDS as the new CEO. And him to employ a DOF to run the footballing side of things.
The hope is that this hypothetical person comes from a job with an existing transfer recruitment structure and processes that are not from 2008.
- Sensible use of big data:
- Used as an initial screening for players in lesser-known leagues to identify cheaper players for further scouting (All players from the top 5 leagues should be known by our scouting department.)
- Used to verify or complement video analysis of targets after the screening process is done, followed by personality analysis made by scouts and network.
- Already have relationships with recruitment people at other clubs --> easier to make deals done when knowing each other and talking the same "language".
- Able to identify players based on their suitability for a type of football that is competitive in the current footballing environment.
- Not pure counter-attacking and low/clueless possession --> pace merchants and no passing/technical ability.
That's why managers got sacked and the guy who was supposed to build the structure isnt.
Woodward is not father to managers who act like kids and this isn't candy store where they can buy whoever they want to. Woodward is responsible for how the club is run and it's shambles now.
Odd to come up with more tin foil hat stuff when every tom dick and harry is having a go at Ole and rightly so for playing Rashford.
Making Neville look like politician is hilarious.
Milinkovic?
Goal keeper
Vanja Milinković-Savić, He is the younger brother of Sergej Milinković-Savić.
This sounds like a decent plan, but I’m not sure how much Woodward interferes with this presently. He provides financial sign off, I’m not sure joe removing him allows us to use data, identify the right type of player etc. I imagine he is not the person compiling the transfer lists presently. If he were, then of course, I’d want him replaced with someone more qualified to do that. Woodward is a Chief Executive, not a head scout or something.
This team has the second highest wage bill?
I swear find out something more depressing each week.
I swear find out something more depressing each week.
Given that Woody is seemingly the one responsible for hiring (attempted) a physio from Celtic, I would not be very surprised if he and Judge are involved at some important stages in a recruitment process.
Woody is the CEO of MUFC and responsible for the organizational structure of the club. If people are not doing their job (Manager, CFO, Judge etc) or a department is not up to the standard, then he is responsible for firing or not firing them or starting processes to make that department functioning. Since we are so far behind in regards to the use of data analytics and player assessment in the recruitment department it is better to hire someone that has already worked in a well functioning department to fast track the progress/development rather than fumble around until we are at an acceptable level.
Would you want Woodward to appoint a DOF responsible for fixing or modernising our footballing department? Would you let a blind man paint your house?
Loyalty, he assisted them in their leveraged buyout of the club. Something that never should have happened. Without him they may not have been able to leech 100's of millions from the club.
Glazer loyalty is to him, United is just an asset to them.
The best we can hope for is that he moves away from the football side of the club.
The first sentence is most likely nonsense, these days journalists claim the weirdest things and for some reason people actually believe it. United has an HR department and they also have a COO, there is next to no chance that Woodward is the one handling the hiring of a physio or any position at that level.