All that is well and good but it doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t help the fans like the player. It should all be done behind closed doors.
Let's not buy Raiola players again - ever
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One assist a month and 4 goals from open play when you break it down, not worth £89-100m whatever the true cost was.Firstly, Pogba consistently being on top form, in isolation, would still have us nowhere near where we need to be.
Secondly
Yet miles above the rest of the team, and you can't get enough of the Pogba bashing
The fans need to get their shit together then. The same fans have no problem throwing the same players under the bus, when they're doing anything they can to protect their beloved manager.
That's like being taller than Danny DeVito.Firstly, Pogba consistently being on top form, in isolation, would still have us nowhere near where we need to be.
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If Riaola gets it right, Pogba stays injury free and focused, then he could give his next club 4-5 years as one the best midfielder in the world, which is worth any ambitious club paying £100 million + for him surely, obviously it could go the other way as well, but the Madrid's and Juve's of this world will just seamlessly buy another top midfielder to replace him if so,
Take note from NFL and NBA where agents are allowed to take up to 4%. And keep in mind neither use transfer fees. This needs to happen.
The guy has this weird agenda against Pogba, no objectivity whatsoever. He doesn't even realize how silly it looks to be bashing and looking to replace a central midfielder that's leading his team in all major categories when healthy.Yet miles above the rest of the team, and you can't get enough of the Pogba bashing
He's Pogba's agent, not ours and I'd argue from a players perspective, it actually reflects fantastically on Raiola who always seems willing to fight on behalf of his clients even if it means putting a few noses out of joint. If I was a player, I'd kill for representation like this.
Not for an agent and especially when we are talking about a club that has failed to match everyone's ambition for several years now. He wants and needs witnesses, what he said is true and we all think the same, the only difference is that we put our pride above everything else instead of turning to the club and asking them what they intend to do to match the fans and players ambitions.
Evra was spot on this weekend when he said maybe it is best for everyone if Pogba moves on. This whole circus has to be stopped. Like he was not even playing this sunday and yet Roy keane managed to bring his name up and call him nuisance. Let us cash on him and look for other alternatives.
There's a lot of players out there good quality that would have improved us, but our recruitment is so bad that we end up missing. Most of them under £50mil.
Probably doesn’t help when the club tried to kick on from signing him but bought absolute garbage.
I don’t have figures to hand but we bought:
Sanchez - Infinite wages.
Matic - 40 million
Lindelof - 35 million
Lukaku - 75 million
Dalot - 20 million
Fred - 52 million
Grant - No idea why he was even bought.
Maguire - 80 million
AWB - 45 million
James - 15 million
That’s 362 million on players, so in one sense I would say we have tried to match his “ambition” but have bought awfully through one manager (Jose) and so so through Ole.
If we had a fully fit squad we would be in 4th in my opinion, but we were left so threadbare in the summer it’s hard when Pogba has basically not played this season.
On a side note, while Raiola is doing the best for his client, these public statements represent Pogbas views also. While this is part of football, I also hope he takes the same professionalism when we keep him for the remainder of his contract and he can move when he’s 30.
I don’t have figures to hand but we bought:
Sanchez - Infinite wages.
Matic - 40 million
Lindelof - 35 million
Lukaku - 75 million
Dalot - 20 million
Fred - 52 million
Grant - No idea why he was even bought.
Maguire - 80 million
AWB - 45 million
James - 15 million
That’s 362 million on players, so in one sense I would say we have tried to match his “ambition” but have bought awfully through one manager (Jose) and so so through Ole.
If we had a fully fit squad we would be in 4th in my opinion, but we were left so threadbare in the summer it’s hard when Pogba has basically not played this season.
On a side note, while Raiola is doing the best for his client, these public statements represent Pogbas views also. While this is part of football, I also hope he takes the same professionalism when we keep him for the remainder of his contract and he can move when he’s 30.
I want a player out that wants out. Leading his team, maybe in missed penalties. Take away those ones he did manage to score after looking like an idiot who just wanted the camera on him longer and 4 goals for an attacking midfielder that cost close to £100m is just plain shite. As for one assist a month fantastic, pretty sure Daniel James has mirrored those stats coming from the championship playing in a team without its £100m star.
Wonder if we will see him at the match tonight, no forget everyone knows the answer, even Rashford post about being involved while injured was the first sign of players become sick of this charlatan.
I must be missing something or I must be old or something because I just can’t fathom how fans of our club can actually condone Pogba or Raiola. Sure, Raiola can say what the hell he wants but Pogba is collecting shitloads of money from us I’m return for very little and if I were him I’d bollock Raiola for embarrassing me and disrespecting Utd.
I don’t disagree with anything Raiola has said. He’s right but I still can’t help but feel Pogba should urge him to keep his trap shut while still at the club. To me, and I might be wrong, it’s just basic respect.
And yet it was the best in every department for the club. Yes if he had done more then we could have scored more etc but what he did was the best in the club.
I think Evra hit the nail on the head on Sunday when talking about Pogba potentially leaving. For some it doesn’t matter what the truth is. The narrative is that Pogba is a cancer within the club and has to go.
What’s his motivation to do that? He owes no allegiance to the club or the fans, the media provide him with leverage and not using it would be doing a disservice to his client.
Football is big business and these guys are it’s highest earners. It’s the way of the world.
The problem with pogba is that he has now basically openly disrespected the club by using this season to muck about and get himself in shape for the euros with France and then for wherever his next club is. This is true of basically every raiola player, just look at Haaland, its basically a 2 year loan to raise his profile and price and then Raiola gets a nice cut... Its crazy.
I don’t disagree with a word you’ve said but it doesn’t mean I have to like it dude. It stinks.
What is the actual truth that’s a defence of him?
We seemingly are incapable of buying anyone so I'm not about to get picky because of agents...
In all seriousness, yeah Raiola is a dickhead, but hes just doing his job. Pogba also would have no problem staying if we were doing well and competing for trophies. We've just gotten worse and worse though since he came, and now hes at the point where he needs to move while hes in his peak to compete for top trophies, and not miss out on them because we are going from one turmoil to another.
I said it before but I'll say it again. Giggs and Scholes are United legends who played their whole careers at United. Rooney stayed for all his peak years as well. As did Keane, Rio, Vidic, etc. None of them would have stayed all those years if we weren't fighting for trophies regularly, or maybe just 1 at best. Liverpool keeping Gerrard for his career despite not competing for titles, Roma with Totti, etc, that's incredibly rare. Top players will eventually move on to top clubs to win trophies. And there really cant be hard feelings about that.
We all blame Raiola, but it's only logical. We somehow managed to keep De Gea through all his peak years and now hes declined where its not a problem keeping him, but that's a very rare case (that we lucked our way into).
In all seriousness, yeah Raiola is a dickhead, but hes just doing his job. Pogba also would have no problem staying if we were doing well and competing for trophies. We've just gotten worse and worse though since he came, and now hes at the point where he needs to move while hes in his peak to compete for top trophies, and not miss out on them because we are going from one turmoil to another.
I said it before but I'll say it again. Giggs and Scholes are United legends who played their whole careers at United. Rooney stayed for all his peak years as well. As did Keane, Rio, Vidic, etc. None of them would have stayed all those years if we weren't fighting for trophies regularly, or maybe just 1 at best. Liverpool keeping Gerrard for his career despite not competing for titles, Roma with Totti, etc, that's incredibly rare. Top players will eventually move on to top clubs to win trophies. And there really cant be hard feelings about that.
We all blame Raiola, but it's only logical. We somehow managed to keep De Gea through all his peak years and now hes declined where its not a problem keeping him, but that's a very rare case (that we lucked our way into).
The stats I posted earlier. His output for the club is the best in each of those areas! Look at assists and chances created, massive difference! I remember countless times he’s played the strikers in for the chance to be missed. This the difficulty with a player like him, relying on others to finish the chances he makes. If we had an Aguero up top his numbers would be far higher.
Plus everyone was going on about how his first injury wasn’t that bad until he’s actually shown in a cast. Then they say he would never play again, until he did, with only 3 training sessions. Then they argue this new injury was fake as another way of generating a move, until, again, he’s shown coming out of surgery.
I think you are giving Raiola and to some extent Pogba too much credit here, there was never a chance in hell pogba or his agent would let him see his career out here. Too much money to be made from the next transfer to Spain, the one to the USA and eventually China.
Never see missed penalties on those ever so unimpressive stats. Just because the worlds most expensive midfielder outperforms the likes of Lingard doth not a galactico make.
But that’s my point!!! He is the best not just because of his talent, but that the others are shit! Imagine us having a midfield of enough quality that Pogba’s take ons or possession wins aren’t really the best. Or having strikers whereby with 50-odd chances made he actually has say 20 assists and the CF is the top scorer.
He is a top class midfielder, mostly played in the double pivot, who was our top scorer. How is that not an indictment on the quality of the rest of the team???
He has the best stats because the others players aren’t good enough to outperform him....and that is Raiola’s point!
simply doesn’t match the clubs ambition. 89m for the return we got? Poor value.
people on here defending his scumbag agent. Appalling behaviour. From the agent as well.
are there any United fans on here?
people on here defending his scumbag agent. Appalling behaviour. From the agent as well.
are there any United fans on here?
None of what he said here is disrepectful, saying truthfull negative things isn't disrepectful and has never been. From our position it's not nice to hear publicly because we are used to be at the very top of football but we aren't at the top of football anymore and what Raiola says is exactly what players that have joined the great United said and thought, you are free to think what you want about Raiola but he is doing and saying the right thing here. You mentioned money several times but do you realize how wrong that is, we didn't buy his silence and we didn't buy his ambition. Also Pogba has arguably been our best player since 2016 despite what some will try to pretend, secondly the fact that we have little return is the crux of the problem for Raiola and seemingly Pogba, we didn't build a top team and the fact that you use that against Pogba is a symptom of the problems the club and seemingly some fans have. Some fail to realize that football is a team sport and that you need a lot of very good players to make a very good team and most importantly a very good manager, signing Pogba was never going to make us a very good team by itself, he was only a part of the jigsaw but we messed up almost everything we have done since 2016.
Think im the unsilent minority pal when it comes to these 2 clowns
To the misfortune of us all.Think im the unsilent minority pal when it comes to these 2 clowns
Not everyone disagrees with me.
unimaginable that any United fan would justify their behaviour.Think im the unsilent minority pal when it comes to these 2 clowns
seems the majority on here will support anybody but the club, although I say that advisedly, given the ownership, etc.
supporters... not
I do think the team could use some of the quality some of his players would add towards the team....
This. Genuinely can’t imagine why any Utd fan would condone Pogba or his agent. Baffling.
Fully agree with your post except for one thing. The only thing you're not taking into consideration is that there is no way Raiola is talking without Pogba's knowledge. It sure looks like he and Pogba are preparing the field for his inevitable transfer next summer.
Even after he leaves, you'll have a lot of posters saying that we did not 'match' his ambitions. When you look at the amount of money spent we certainly aimed for that. We failed because of several reasons, among them bad manager choices and new players not delivering (Pogba being one of those players). He's paid a fortune but when you talk about what he offered the team, posters here will show you stats from last year during the Ole honeymoon period, when the whole team was delivering. I'd love for him to stay and live up to his name and abilities. But sadly, it looks like he does not want that.
Here are his stats since he joined us :
This is not enough for a player with his abilities.
So (he &) his agent must shut up. They don't really have a solid case. If his client delivered, we would be better off right now.
I agree. Rooney said this back in the day and it's as true now as it was then.
You cant go and sell Ronaldo and replace him with Valencia and Ashley Young and pretend that you have ambitions about getting the best players in the world or challenging for top European honours.
Similarly when I look at our latest recruits are they the top players in Europe? No they aren't even the best in their position in our domestic league.
So you have worlds richest club buying inferior players for years in a row, what kind of ambition does it show? How can you challenge for top European honours when you are worse man for man than the other top contenders?
You cant go and sell Ronaldo and replace him with Valencia and Ashley Young and pretend that you have ambitions about getting the best players in the world or challenging for top European honours.
Similarly when I look at our latest recruits are they the top players in Europe? No they aren't even the best in their position in our domestic league.
So you have worlds richest club buying inferior players for years in a row, what kind of ambition does it show? How can you challenge for top European honours when you are worse man for man than the other top contenders?
I agree, the problem is that American sports leagues are well regulated and all under the legislation of one country so it's much easier to enforce. FIFA doesn't have the muscle or investigative capacity to properly enforce this. Heck, some of their top guys are probably on the take from agents.
He would have if he had better players around him. He is not Gerrard. He is more Ozil (can excel with other talented players). Look how many times he used to play Zlatan in
he's a well behaved religious man, family man who gives to charity, doesn't drink or get into trouble., intelligent, speaks many languages. Right Hitler that one....
basically this
And? I didn’t say he was a Hitler, just that I can’t stand him. I view his time here as nothing but a waste and the Paul Pogba show, he’s done very well out of us and it feels like we’ve got very little out of him but a circus.
He could tell his agent to shut it. I would think more of him. His silence speaks volumes.