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Wed, 22 January 2020

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We were doing alright until the first goal went in, wasting plenty of good opportunities to get a lead, then they scored and it all fell apart. The moment Burnley took the lead, most of our team appeared to accept the loss and switched the minds to things they would be doing after the game.

  • I thought AWB had a decent match.
  • Fred gave it his all for most of the game, working hard for the team, and generally looking confident with the ball. He's one of the few signings we've made in recent times that looks to be coming good.
  • Matic was solid enough and looked keen to get involved.
  • Mata had a bit of a 'mare tonight. He's been good recently, but maybe this was one game too many without a rest?
  • James was pretty awful (again). He needs a rest. I fear he's also been dragged down by all the mediocre performances around him. We don't have much depth, so we'll just have to draft in a another youngster to replace him for a week or two.
  • Pereira continues to make poor decisions and is so wasteful. He looks neither consistent or reliable enough at this level, and we really need that better option signed up ASAP.
  • Martial hardly got out of first gear. The opposite of what we need with Rashford out.
  • Lingard very poor when he came on as usual, but I feel for him a bit. It's clear he knows what a lot of fans think of him now, and he's not able to deal with it at all. He gets slated, but he always tries - possibly too hard.
  • Our big summer signing Maguire is now losing confidence too and he's far from the rock we need at the back.
So a dreadfully disappointing night, and another chance to close right in on Chelsea wasted away. So frustrating.
 

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United played well tonight. Ole got his team selection and subs spot on. Can't be helped that Burnley turned up and actually played their strongest team. That in itself shows how far this United team have come since last season when Burnley turn up and take us seriously unlike the bad old days under Mourinho and Van Gaal. Never mind, Cup on Sunday and we dust ourselves down and go again.
 

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The club is cursed. The football gods have decided to give us the Liverpool treatment. It will last for a good 30 years probably so may as well strap ourselves in. There may be the odd happy moment. Maybe a cup win. But for the most part we will be a laughing stock.

There is no other explanation as to how a club can be so embarrassing in literally every single aspect. In terms of quality of football, results, general PR, transfer negotiations, managing players.

Players leave the club and suddenly become good again. Look at Smalling.

The football gods have decided "sorry United fans, that's enough fun for you. We're going to make you suffer now."

Doesn't matter who we sign. Who we appoint as manager. They will be struck by the curse. They will slowly drift into ineptitude.

I'm starting to feel that sense of resignation. No point getting excited for anything to do with this club as the jinx is fully in place.
you probably got here now or not. I have had this feeling for some time, sometimes things inexplicably don't work really. There is nothing that can explain how many things we have tried and none of them working no matter how many rationalizations you try to provide to the contrary. Oh well.
 

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Didn't watch the match, but really no surprise we managed to lose. We have failed to capitalize on every chance we have had to close the gap to 4th.

Looking at the lineup it is a mid table team, and we don't have the squad depth to cope with injuries or the number of matches, so can't expect consistent performances
 

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4-2-3-1. Same formation all season. How many times has it been successful? Particularly against lower half teams? Is this Ole's fault or is his hand forced by the lack of squad depth? There's no running from midfield beyond their defence so we are forced to play the ball back constantly. No new ideas going into the team or no change in anything against different opponents. Add to that a lack of desire, character and quality about the team, it's no major surprise were being beaten 2-0 at home to Burnley.
 

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Okey, i didn't watch the game or the highlights but the fact that we failed to score at home versus the almighty Burnely suggest that Martial has some serous blame to carry, if he can't step up against a team like burnley then we are in serious trouble that we first thought.

People fall into two categories, they are either assets or liability, right now Utd is full of liability at every level.
 

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A few thoughts on tonight's game from the stand. I'd be interested to see if people agree or differ on these:
  1. First half was a decent performance and we should have been a couple up before Burnley scored. Martial and Mata both had air shots from decent Wan Bissaka crosses and Martial completely fecked up a 1 v 1 opportunity in the box. We all may have opted for slightly different elevens, but the starting team was well justified and played well.
  2. Ole panicked at half time and upset the balance of the team by getting Greenwood on for Pereira, who whilst being wasteful and shooting too often from outside the box, was providing an important role in linking the team. We were dreadful second half and the balance of the team was completely gone. This was exacerbated further when Shaw and Lingard were brought on for little real purpose.
  3. Why are we playing Daniel James on the left? He's right footed, his biggest assets are passing and crossing whilst on the run, and he's not scored since August. He offers no threat cutting inside and is never going to be a creative fulcrum in that position against a side defending deep. What's more is that he would perfectly compensate for Wan Bissaka's lack of attacking incisiveness by staying wide and allowing AWB to focus on the stronger parts of his game, but dropping into midfield and covering counterattacks. I was baffled to see James left and Greenwood right second half. James should have been on the right putting crosses in for Martial and Greenwood. I don't know what Ole is thinking here.
  4. Fred was incredibly poor tonight. He was utterly clueless on the edge of the Burnley box. As much as he improved in games where we have a midfield battle, he's not cut out for games against weaker sides at home. He wasn't the only wasteful one, but the analysts aren't doing their job if they are not instructing our midfielders to stop shooting from range. Time and time again we give the ball away with 1-2% shots instead of recycling it and waiting for a better option. Our club would be well served instructing all our players to no longer shoot outside of the penalty area and D, except for Greenwood. It's embarrassing how little we respect the ball and play with a patience for a good chance. We're either overplaying or just shooting: just keep it simple and move, gaps will come.
  5. As happened with James earlier on this season when he scored three goals from a little more than those shots, we're now in danger of overrating Greenwood, whose overall play is leaving a lot to be desired. He'll be a top player in time. but he really struggles to impact the game and isn't getting anywhere near the number of chances and shots needed to maintain his good goalscoring run. Second half tonight and against Wolves he was pretty anonymous. He's 18; that's expected. We need to be comfortable with him not always being on the pitch when we need a goal. He isn't the solution to every problem currently.
  6. Not buying a top centre forward will be a real mistake. Martial has a role at the club, but he's not at the level to our main centre forward. You buy a top centre forward, one who can act as the real focal point of the team, and hope that either this purchase does what is expected of them, or Martial steps up and improves, or both things happen. We cannot go forward with only Martial up top though. He's shown that he's not of a sufficient standard to spearhead a title challenge.
Vgood post
 

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There is no point in keeping the ball with no penetration, no quality, huffing and puffing, said it before there is plenty of endoevour in the boys no quality, lack of urgency .

Felt sorry for the young ones trying to drag some of the older ones into the game. There is massive clear out needed. And I'd sell a few. Could still be playing now and we don't score.

2 shots 2 goals! That says it all
 

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Losing by two and time running out.

Manager: two CBs must stay n play so we maintain bs shape. Take risk? No.
Put on a LB in the place of LB as an impact sub. Gomes in the meantime hasn't received a chance since ages.

Says it all when Sean Dyche doesn't even need to make a sub to waste time. Shows how confident they were at the end of the game. Didn't even need to waste time all that much.
 

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Without Rashford and any signings in January we’ll be lucky to stay in a top 6 fight. Some of these players aren’t good enough, oles not good enough and the board and management aren’t good enough. Not just Ole but Everybody OUT!
 

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I honestly believe you could take any guy between the ages of 19 and 35 out of the stands tonight and they would have been no better or no worse than Lingard for those 25 minutes.
That is absolutely ridiculous!
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They might have been better.
 

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I could not even stand to come on the forum last night, I generally feel sickened, I like Ole and want him to succeed but my faith is wafer thin now, he has clearly not got enough players or quality and that needs to change now or the rest of the season is going to see us fighting for position with Newcastle and co.

Where I cannot defend Ole and what would make a difference is shaking up this bloody useless way we have of running it part way to the corner , then rather than actually attacking and probably losing the ball but so wahat, we pass all the way back to De Gea, it is so predictable, which is why Rashford makes the difference he does, at least part of the time he actually carries on instead.

Without a creative mid and a striker this window we are screwed
 

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Phil Neville post match talking about entitled fans. At Rapid Vienna fans would storm the pitch after a performance like that. Ours aren't doing shit so Ole is a very very lucky guy in that regard.
 
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When you're 2 goals down with 20 minutes left and you need to bring on 2 players as a last roll of the dice to get something from the game.........and those 2 players are Shaw and Lingard! You've either lost the plot or you never had a clue in the first place.
 

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It was over the moment Ole decided it was a good idea to bring Lingard on when 0-2 behind.... Do you expect a player who is incapable of scoring or assist to change that scoreline?
But what else can he do? We're down to Lingard and unproven kids at this point. Our physios couldn't keep the bionic man fit.

Nothing changes until the club management does.
 

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I need to take a break from these forums and football for a few days or something, yesterdays result was so disappointing I'm still up in arms over it. I can't forgive Mata and Martial for blowing this for us still. See you in a week.
 

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It’s all well and good clearing out but nobody wants to come here.
I have slept on this, not very well, but I have. I can understand to an extent what Ole is trying to do regarding a clear out. To me all the remnants of SAF need to be gone, as I think they are too influenced about times gone by. However Ole, Carrick and Phelan are also part of the problem. They have to stop harping back to the past.

Have we learnt nothing from what happened at Liverpool and their boot room, it has taken them years to get back, why are we now trying to go down that route.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating the past, that is what a museum, statues etc are for, but it is no good if you are living in the past yourself. The club has to move on.

If we are serious of building a new side, then they have to back Ole every single window, not go at it half arsed. If we don't then it will be one step forward, two steps back, while other clubs continue taking one step forward each year.

I know you cannot build a side in one go, but we still need to do it relatively quickly or we will be left behind. This window will tell us a lot of the ambitions of the club and if they are just going to hang Ole out to dry.
 

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Phil Neville that cuntface post match talking about entitled fans. At Rapid Vienna fans would storm the pitch after a performance like that. Ours aren't doing shit so Ole is a very very lucky guy in that regard.
How are the fans entitled? Managers (and owners) get hounded out of Barca and Real for doing less worse than what we've been doing post Fergie.

The entitled ones are the ex players like him. The ones who feel they should get time and be afforded to learn on the job while managing a club like Manchester United.
 

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I’m beyond caring at this stage.

Ole is a wank manager and I’ve been saying it for ages.

Anyone who has been backing the guy has been actively backing a sabotage of the club.

The issue is not lack of money, but rather how it has been invested.

Get Woodward off football operations, lure VDS and hire Poch.

It is really painfully simple.
 

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How are the fans entitled? Managers (and owners) get hounded out of Barca and Real for doing less worse than what we've been doing post Fergie.

The entitled ones are the ex players like him. The ones who feel they should get time and be afforded to learn on the job while managing a club like Manchester United.
So true
 

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People talk about the players we have.

Compare this to the players at 10/18 sides on the premier league and we have better players.

We are just worse drilled, cant defend as a team. Have no clue to to attack.

Wat h the first 16 seconds against liverpool at weekend, we hoofed the ball up to the half way line and lost it.

These are footballers paid millions a year and they cant do basic pass and move.
 

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I’m beyond caring at this stage.

Ole is a wank manager and I’ve been saying it for ages.

Anyone who has been backing the guy has been actively backing a sabotage of the club.

The issue is not lack of money, but rather how it has been invested.

Get Woodward off football operations, lure VDS and hire Poch.

It is really painfully simple.
Poch? The same that left Espanyol in 20th place?
 

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Need to solve the final third problem quickly. Everything else was pretty good, we dominated the game, but we get up to the edge of the box and there's no quality there to unlock a defensive side.
How much of that is down to the oppositions tactics? They know they can shut out shop and get at least a point.
 

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How much of that is down to the oppositions tactics? They know they can shut out shop and get at least a point.
But that will always be the case. We were at OT and it was up to us to break them down.

While we concentrate all our play down the middle we will continue to fail.
Where was the width.
Why were we not trying to make the play as wide as possible because Burnley were loving the way we played.
In the end it was far too easy for them.

Only one manager got the tactics right.
 

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But that will always be the case. We were at OT and it was up to us to break them down.

While we concentrate all our play down the middle we will continue to fail.
Where was the width.
Why were we not trying to make the play as wide as possible because Burnley were loving the way we played.
In the end it was far too easy for them.

Only one manager got the tactics right.
Fair point.
 

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If I make you laugh along the way, sue me. And I don't do it so you turn round and go "Thank you moths for the opportunity, thank you for the wisdom, thank you for the laughs." I do it so, one day, someone will go "there goes nokillingmoths. I must remember to thank him".
Hahahaha!!
Cheers man!
 

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Carragher and fletcher were grilling the team throughout the whole second half and I don’t blame them. What about this team is there to sing praises about?
You mean McManaman? :p
 

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It's more interesting watching the advertising boardings than it is this team. Ask yourself which of those players would you actually go and watch, for example even a free training session. I would say Mata. That is it. One player of the starting 11. Rest are average in all departments.

James gives the ball away too easily. Martial is not switched on enough which leads him to not being clinical enough.

Oh and those advertisements really show where the clubs priorities lie - all off pitch. Official partner this, official partner that, (official destination partner Malta, wtf) Joke of a club these days.
 

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@Bilbo, you were at Old Trafford? How was the mood at the ground?
Terrible after the 2nd goal went in. Worst I can remember. I spoke to a lot of people before, during and after the match, and believe me the anger is directed at Woodward, not Ole. There were also very loud bursts of Edward Woodward is a W*nker which I'm thinking must have been very audible on TV.
 

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we have played far worse in other games this season. Which is the sad part.
Btw correction it's 55 yrs I've followed utd. Yesterday they were absolutely clueless in every dept and we dropped to a level I've not seen before. Both in terms of quality and entertainment.
 

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There has just been a United fan on Talksport who said we should get Mark Noble or Jonjo Shelvey. He said they wouldn't cost much and can spray the ball about.
 

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