What a ridiculous waste of time, any serious club would have sacked Ole long time ago and the fans have been idiotic as well, so idiotic to have taken this "stick by the manager" schtick by Fergie as gospel. This season is already over and if we don't fire Ole at the end of the season we will definitely waste the next year too. Then the next manager will not have enough time next year and if that manager is also another clueless moron, then that's a decade wasted.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I know it’s almost like failure and regression isn’t the only option and the ability of the manager can have a huge impact on the team performance.
From what I gather you have to compare this season for Ole to Klopp’s season when he took over mid way through the season (like Ole did last season) because otherwise Ole’s performance is laughable in comparison.
One step at a time. We need to become challengers first.
We will become neither with Ole, except maybe relegation challengers.
Still think if we remove him even during the break, get a top manager, beat Chelsea and we can still make top 4 this season.
Come on now,lets not keep comparing Ole to Klopp as it's a laughable comparison at this stage.
But when the man you've tasked with such a monumental rebuild is clearly not fit for purpose why would we preserve with him?
The rebuild has to be done, ideally with a DoF overseeing the transition and planning for 5-10 years into the future. Football, as it is now, cannot place that role onto the manager as you will rarely get managers staying at a club for more than 5 years whether they are successful or not.
If Ole wants to oversee the rebuild and be the one who leads a new generation into a period of success he needs to improve his win percentage, but he isn't. Winning only around a third of his games wouldn't be accepted at any other club, yet we are tolerating a large reason for that is due to a small section of the fans burying their heads in the sand and ignoring the terrible job he has done.
I'd rather have a defensive manager who bores the shite out of everyone and wins, than OGS a defensive manager who bores the shite out of everyone that can't win.
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Dont know why people keep arguing with guys who have Ole, Fergie or Dream in their name. Could as well be with Ole's son you are arguing with. It is an emotional debate for them, you can't win. Ole is a genius and they will pretend that to League two if they have to. If he fails, everything and everyone else failed, Ole is a genius and deserves time as well as 2 billion in the market.
Next up someone with the name of Ole4everIWantToSuckYourD will appear and people will try to tell him Ole is embarrassing, while he will play the game as usual. Time, Woodward, Klopp , money blablabla. We had similar discussions with Jose fanboys. Sacking is the only way forward and the discussions will slowly disappear. Then they can cry in their corner
Next up someone with the name of Ole4everIWantToSuckYourD will appear and people will try to tell him Ole is embarrassing, while he will play the game as usual. Time, Woodward, Klopp , money blablabla. We had similar discussions with Jose fanboys. Sacking is the only way forward and the discussions will slowly disappear. Then they can cry in their corner
I'd think Spurs have a much much better squad who went through a period of underperforming. They've made quality additions to an already quality squad.
Removing Eriksen is probably also for the good, as much like Pogba he was dominating the agenda for the bad.
Yes more work to be done, but for them it's like oiling a well built car. For us it's like building a car out of scraps from multiple other cars.
Any manager with us will have a very tough job to do. I think Ole is struggling to keep float, but i don't feel he is a million miles off of our 'level'.
Ole is relatively inexperienced so might need more time to work it out, but that might be worthwhile given he will be loyal to the club and keep best interests at heart. He also seems like the kind of manager that players will like working with so stop disharmony from becoming so prevalent.
On the flip side continuing to keep spending more can't be the only answer. Any manager will do better with better players. The test is doing the best with what you have and I'm not convinced Ole is getting close to that. We seem to be regularly failing at the same things so you wonder what Ole is doing in terms of coaching and is he learning fast enough.
At least with Jose, he actually has past credentials back him up.
Only at United would we have the 8th highest paid manager in the world that wouldn't make into a list of top 100 managers in the world,l doubt he would make it into a list of best 50 managers in the UK.
You can go ahead and talk to your familiy like that.
They did a poor job raising you. Going off your argument.
Goodbye.
I wouldn’t expect a decent manager to win the league with our squad. But after 14 months I’d expect to see a style of play, improvements to our players, I’d like to see signs that our signings are developing... after 7 months Maguire isn’t as good as he was at Leicester yet alone developing
Why assume when you can very easily check it? They got 76 points. That total would have been enough for Champions League qualification in every single Premier League season bar one (2013/14). Had we got anywhere above 70 this season, the vast majority of fans would have been delighted. We're on track for 53. You really cannot say the results were "hardly better". They had 49 points after 25 games - in other words, they'd be 14 points clear of us right now, level on points with Leicester and only two points behind City.
Sack him now. Get Poch in, before he signs for anyone else.
At least then, our players will get some months under a manager + coaches that will improve their abilities and play a type of football that is not outdated.
At least then, our players will get some months under a manager + coaches that will improve their abilities and play a type of football that is not outdated.
Thanks I’m a bad man.
But would rather you just explain how these guys were any better rated than our top players 3 years ago.
Hence the “goodbye”, bad man.
What a Mitch.
Check previous posts and you should understand.
I would still say that he hasn’t been dreadful by his own standards but that this is his standard and our board are content to stick with it, which means there’s no hope for us with or without him because our board has zero ambition.
You're saying that the quality of the manager doesn't make a difference. That's literally delusional. If we had Klopp suceed Fergie, I feel pretty confident we would be in a better place. So it's okay to let go deadwood players but not deadwood managers?
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I am not sure that many people even knew that Solskjaer is a coach
I'd rather have a manager who develops kids and tries to play nice football when all our stars are fit, rather that a bloke who ignores kids and needs 400 million minimum to serve up shite on a stick that puts everyone to sleep.
You are talking about Ole I guess, considering he's halfway through that 400 million mark and serves shite on a stick for about 10 months now.
I would rather have neither.
Baffling logic and truth is we haven’t been through this before, this is much worse.
Almost like having a manager who isn’t up to the job has had a negative impact on the team.
I'm pretty sure we will be playing football that is fun to watch, once everyone is fit again. If Ole can't get results playing nice football, then the bloke who takes over from him should have an excellent foundation to work from, and won't be saddled with players who either don't have the technical skills required to play for an attacking team, nor players who are only here for the cash and have no love for the club.
AWB doesn't have those skills to be a successful attacking right back. From what I've seen from James he's also long way till he is ready to play in attacking and possession based team as his technique and dribbling skills are lacking.
Maguire is slow to play in a high line, unless we buy another CB that can cover for him.
So far his signings have been for a counter attacking and defensive side - Maguire to lump it forward for speed merchants like James, Rashford and Martial to attack the space left behind by the opposition.
Tbh apart from the interview after Cardiff played liverpool where he said "I couldn't care less" about the prospect of Liverpool winning the leauge, I geniuenly hadn't given Ole a single thought.
I agree with you 1000% So now we in a predicament where if we come back from the break and lose against Chelsea we will be 9 points adrift top four. I have no doubt we will fight for the result but we cannot constantly be in a situation where we are 1 game away from a disaster. Get Poch in get the manager bounce and maybe we will get top 4
Jose was honest, how did that go for him?
Jose was doing a fecking terrible job by the end of his tenure and absolutely had to go. Funnily, Ole is doing an even worse job than Jose managed to do in sabotage mode and he also absolutely has to go.
Saving his own skin and job and earning the big bucks is Sols own problem. So you are saying being a bootlicker to save his job is the way to go about it?
Caf is completely divided.
How bad will things be when both sides are in agreement he needs binning?
How bad will things be when both sides are in agreement he needs binning?
I still think we have enough in our side to play attacking football. It doesn’t have to be tika taka per say. But Pogba; Bruno; Martial; Rashford (with coaching); Maguire; Lindelöf; Williams; Fred and Matic can all play within the lines whilst keeping a high level of possession. Yes the high line would exploit Maguire’s pace but that is nullified if we replace DDG, as he refuses to come off his line.
Problem is, to play a high line we have to buy another covering CB (Lindelof and Magure will be disaster in a high line) and another keeper, which makes the whole idea as another rebuild and another hundred million just for those two positions.
I'm not talking about tiki taka too, but for us being comfortable in possession.
If we step back couple of years ago, under LvG we looked the "best prepared" to make that jump and look how it ended...
To put it bluntly the team that we have now is much more suited to counter attacking football.
Well we do still have Bailly and Axel Who if injury free are fast enough. If we sell DDG.. there will be money there if required. But for the position we are currently in Romero and Henderson can have a season to prove there worth.
Based on the replies, probably relegation battle, but everyone still wouldn’t agree, we’d still get the minority who will say at least if we relegate, the Glazers might sell..
Seriously though, if we don’t finish top 10, people have to agree he should be sacked, the standards have dropped so much, but I don’t think they’ve dropped that low.
Seems he is doing better than us right now with Spurs.
From the poll, only 28% support Ole. Out of the 28%, if u take out 5 million of Norwegian population supporting him, opposition supporters and some old romantic feckers. Then we are left with really very low percentage of people actually support his football (boring counter attacking football).
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