Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Enigma_87 · Feb 12, 2020

dirkey said:
That's the thing though. I think there are those of us who think Ole is doing some things right. But most of us will definitely point to issues. There's no spin. It's "hey, he's cleared deadwood, he's improved morale, he's improved young players, he's blooded young players ... but you know what, tactically it hasn't been good enough, results haven't been good enough" etc. It's not spin. To me, it's a realistic slant.

The Ole out crowd - and not all - but a far higher percentage in my view, will more or less stop at nothing to discredit him.

"anyone could sell players"
"anyone can play young players"
"all young players get better, nothing to do with coaches"

Even your point about Rashford and his injury? I mean, that's just silly. YOu still didn't answer whether Poch deserves same criticism for Kane?

But why waste the energy? Did you cheer at every successful cross Bebe made? Or every goal Dong scored? What's the point? He's a terrible manager, he should be sacked and put nowhere near managing a top team. Who cares if some things are on right track?

Poch has managed Kane for many years and had not many serious injuries, he introduced him to the team and gave him a leading role.

Do you want to compare the amount of injuries we had under Ole to the year before? Rashford is not an isolated case. Him rushing players after injury is not an isolated case, either.

fezzerUTD · Feb 12, 2020

Who gives a feck about who's improved and who hasn't. The current manager and coaching team are out of their depth and need replacing. The current play is horrible, they are 1 dimensional (counter attacking). We should be able to adapt which we can't (no plan B).

Mickson · Feb 12, 2020

dirkey said:
Well, he's made Rashford a key man, for a start. Rashford was rotational before he came along. Ditto McTominay. He's brought Greenwood in at a very raw age. He's brought Williams in. He's signed a pretty young AWB.

Just because he's not playing certain players who certain posters like, doesn't mean he's not willing to play young players.

So you are giving him cred for playing our most creative player in Rashford? Who should he have played instead? And instead of giving a few sub appearances for Mason (he should have started at least 7-8 games by this time, but he hasn't). You are giving Ole cred for something he MOST DO. He hasn't any other players to use. He left Williams at home in the summer and played Rojo instead (I said at the time that he should have brought Williams on the tour). He was then forced to play Williams because of several injuries.

Alabaster Codify7 · Feb 12, 2020

fezzerUTD said:
Who gives a feck about who's improved and who hasn't. The current manager and coaching team are out of their depth and need replacing. The current play is horrible, they are 1 dimensional (counter attacking). We should be able to adapt which we can't (no plan B).

I know, as if no other manager out there is capable of improving our players. Only Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has the specific coaching recipe to improve our young players, let's ignore other much better managers with a track record of improving what they have to work with....

Micky Targaryen · Feb 12, 2020

I don't know how all this talk about which players improved and how they have improved started but still doesn't escape the reality that the football this season has been shit to mediocre at best. Old Trafford has become a stomping ground for the smaller clubs. The quality of players that we currently have are not even that bad, and are certainly deserving of a much better position in the table. Ole just looks lost at times and he does not appear ready to lead a juggernaut club like United. He may be ready one fine day with tons of experience under his belt, but he doesn't look like a Manchester United manager today. Ole in or out, whichever side you're on, I'm pretty sure we can all agree to that. If you guys are so desperate for Ole to succeed, let him leave and manage another smaller club, watch him succeed (or fail), and then maybe give him another chance to manage our club again in the future.

On a side note, I simply don't understand the logic that we shouldn't hire Poch because he wouldn't be an improvement to Ole. Wtf :lol:

you don't rate Poch, that's still fine, but what a huge overrating of Ole.

sunama · Feb 12, 2020

90 + 5min said:
Call us whatever you want. We, that are still thinking time is important are no Ole fans. We are ManUtd fans. We know that things take time. We know that you can’t bulid anything in a sec.

Not one person is asking for us to be title contenders in 1 second. That's ridiculous.
It usually takes about 6 months for a manager's system to bear fruit and demonstrate progress.
Jose came in and got us 2 trophies in his first season and 2nd place in his 2nd.
Brendan Rogers had LCFC in top 3, in less than a year.
Klopp had LFC in 2 finals, in his first season.
I believe Everton are unbeaten since Ancelotti came in (2-3 months ago).
Basically, a top class manager can steer a club in the right direction within 6 months.
Ole has been here for over a year and we are regressing. We bought Bruno to help our attack and in his first and only game, he was playing as a CDM. That to me, is poor management.

roonster09 · Feb 12, 2020

fecking hell, people don't even read conversations, they just post randomly.

I don't think anyone argued Ole alone is capable of improving players, instead of reading the context of posts people just post randomly.

sunama · Feb 12, 2020

Roboc7 said:
What fits logically is he’ll be sacked at end of season if/when he doesn’t qualify for Champions League. Moyes and LVG were both allowed to perform badly (although better than Ole) backed publicly, allowed to plan for next season but got the boot.

Correct.
And the strange thing is that when these managers got fired, it came as a complete surprise.
So Woodward has a 2-faced persona. He probably tells the current manager that your job is safe, while he gets on the phone to the incoming manager, discussing employment terms.
Moyes, LVG and Jose have all said that they did not see their sacking coming. It came completely out of the blue.

Bilbo · Feb 12, 2020

Judas said:
It's weird when people want to downplay our own players improvements, just because they want Ole gone. I want him out, but will happily point to improved players, because its a good thing for the club. Doesn't mean he deserves a new 7 year deal.

You're exactly right, and this is the problem with this forum nowadays. Improving players should be a given for a manager at this club. It should be a side-note conversation at best. The toxicity around Ole now is such that people are looking for anything and everything to criticise him for. His supporters then feel compelled to back him and a lengthy conversation ensues. Its the same with every single thing about him, and its tiresome and boring and dragging this place down to new lows.

Its not even really about Ole or the football anymore. Its about winning this pointless argument and being 'right', plain and simple.

passing-wind · Feb 12, 2020

UnitedSofa said:
Really cannot wait for Poch to get the job just to see him too fail and for all these Poch D**kriders to clamour for the next flavour of the month.

Can’t do much if you keep changing managers every two years.

Isn’t that what we slated Madrid/Chelsea for doing?

So what's your alternative, keep Solskjaer for as long as possible in the hope he'll rub his belly and turn into a good manager overnight ? I could completely understand fans reservations for Poch if we had a manager of some credible calibre, but we've got what I perceive to be one of the worst managers in the league.

Bilbo · Feb 12, 2020

Micky Targaryen said:
I don't know how all this talk about which players improved and how they have improved started but still doesn't escape the reality that the football this season has been shit to mediocre at best. Old Trafford has become a stomping ground for the smaller clubs. The quality of players that we currently have are not even that bad, and are certainly deserving of a much better position in the table. Ole just looks lost at times and he does not appear ready to lead a juggernaut club like United. He may be ready one fine day with tons of experience under his belt, but he doesn't look like a Manchester United manager today. Ole in or out, whichever side you're on, I'm pretty sure we can all agree to that. If you guys are so desperate for Ole to succeed, let him leave and manage another smaller club, watch him succeed (or fail), and then maybe give him another chance to manage our club again in the future.

On a side note, I simply don't understand the logic that we shouldn't hire Poch because he wouldn't be an improvement to Ole. Wtf you don't rate Poch, that's still fine, but what a huge overrating of Ole.

There are only 2 managers in world football that I believe are absolute certainties to improve our team, and our 2 main rivals have them and they will never manage us. I think that a lot of people have an understandable reluctance to jump on the Pochettino wagon.

AneRu · Feb 12, 2020

Bilbo said:
There are only 2 managers in world football that I believe are absolute certainties to improve our team, and our 2 main rivals have them and they will never manage us. I think that a lot of people have an understandable reluctance to jump on the Pochettino wagon.

Brendan Rodgers has done wonderful work with Leicester, they finished ninth in the last two seasons but are on course to finish third. Everton will soon overtake us, do they have a better squad too? Ole has done a poor job since being named permanent manager, there is no hiding from that fact.

roonster09 · Feb 12, 2020

Bilbo said:
There are only 2 managers in world football that I believe are absolute certainties to improve our team, and our 2 main rivals have them and they will never manage us. I think that a lot of people have an understandable reluctance to jump on the Pochettino wagon.

There are many more, unless you believe Ole is among the best managers in the world.

Kostur · Feb 12, 2020

Bilbo said:
There are only 2 managers in world football that I believe are absolute certainties to improve our team, and our 2 main rivals have them and they will never manage us. I think that a lot of people have an understandable reluctance to jump on the Pochettino wagon.

Massive Spanner · Feb 12, 2020

Bilbo said:
There are only 2 managers in world football that I believe are absolute certainties to improve our team, and our 2 main rivals have them and they will never manage us. I think that a lot of people have an understandable reluctance to jump on the Pochettino wagon.

Get a hold of yourself man. That would mean Ole is the 3rd best manager in the world!

Bilbo · Feb 12, 2020

No that's you guys reading what you want to from that comment. My point is merely that there are few guarantees. Poch IMO is not one of them.

Massive Spanner · Feb 12, 2020

Bilbo said:
No that's you guys reading what you want to from that comment. My point is merely that there are few guarantees. Poch IMO is not one of them.

There are a lot of managers that are guaranteed to do better than Ole. It was a crazy statement.

dirkey · Feb 12, 2020

Massive Spanner said:
I'm firmly Ole out but I've just spent all morning arguing with him over that so you can't really put such labels on people. It's OK to think he's done a good job in a few small areas and still want him gone because his overall work here has been dire.

you could easily spin it the other way and say those who are "Ole in" are far more ridiculous because they completely ignore the insanely glaring issues in Ole's results and overall performance as a manager here in favour of clinging on to those little tidbits, but again, I'd be branding everyone with the same stick, wouldn't I?

I'm on the fence, in the most part to be honest. But the Ole In crowd, I haven't seen that from them. I've seen most of them categorically state that the results aren't good enough, and that if they remain this way much longer, he should be gone. But, they've seen enough good things to think he deserves time, and another proper transfer window to shape the squad as he sees fit. That's slightly different. They at least admit there's been a lot of bad ... rather than trying to explain it away. I think the Ole out crowd are, in general, different. Credit is not given where due. Fault is given not only where due, but where undue. In my opinion.

dirkey · Feb 12, 2020

Alabaster Codify7 said:
I know, as if no other manager out there is capable of improving our players. Only Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has the specific coaching recipe to improve our young players, let's ignore other much better managers with a track record of improving what they have to work with....

Strawman argument. Christ, what is it with people on here and strawmen arguments. Point me to someone who has said that only Ole can improve players?

No, the argument which is being made, repeatedly, is that he should get credit for improving players. Which he's not being given. Plenty of posters on here are stating "Oh, they're only getting better because they're young."

dirkey · Feb 12, 2020

Mickson said:
So you are giving him cred for playing our most creative player in Rashford? Who should he have played instead? And instead of giving a few sub appearances for Mason (he should have started at least 7-8 games by this time, but he hasn't). You are giving Ole cred for something he MOST DO. He hasn't any other players to use. He left Williams at home in the summer and played Rojo instead (I said at the time that he should have brought Williams on the tour). He was then forced to play Williams because of several injuries.

Nope. I'm not giving him credit for playing him. I'm giving him credit for playing him in a position that suits him, regularly, and improving him. Which, he has done. Quite simply.

As to Williams, yes, he left him home at the summer. Do you know why? Did he leave him home to work on specific things? I don't. But young players tend to be left back to do things like that. Just because Williams came into the side now and is doing well, doesn't mean he was ready then. Young players have to be blooded slowly. Same with regard to Greenwood. Stories have come out that Greenwood has a bit of an ego ... bringing him along slowly to temper that is a good idea, long term.

wolvored · Feb 12, 2020

Bilbo said:
There are only 2 managers in world football that I believe are absolute certainties to improve our team, and our 2 main rivals have them and they will never manage us. I think that a lot of people have an understandable reluctance to jump on the Pochettino wagon.

Thats rubbish. If you are looking as Ole as a benchmark, there are lots of managers who are better than him. Even in the premiership I would say Rodgers Nuno and Wilder are better. As a novice manager Lampard is a lot better as well.

Massive Spanner · Feb 12, 2020

dirkey said:
I'm on the fence, in the most part to be honest. But the Ole In crowd, I haven't seen that from them. I've seen most of them categorically state that the results aren't good enough, and that if they remain this way much longer, he should be gone. But, they've seen enough good things to think he deserves time, and another proper transfer window to shape the squad as he sees fit. That's slightly different. They at least admit there's been a lot of bad ... rather than trying to explain it away. I think the Ole out crowd are, in general, different. Credit is not given where due. Fault is given not only where due, but where undue. In my opinion.

You haven't been looking close enough, then.

Micky Targaryen · Feb 12, 2020

Bilbo said:
There are only 2 managers in world football that I believe are absolute certainties to improve our team, and our 2 main rivals have them and they will never manage us. I think that a lot of people have an understandable reluctance to jump on the Pochettino wagon.

Following your statement, so what is the solution? Stick with Ole until one of these 2 managers, whoever they are, becomes available? We're doomed I guess.

TRUERED89 · Feb 12, 2020

UnitedSofa said:
Really cannot wait for Poch to get the job just to see him too fail and for all these Poch D**kriders to clamour for the next flavour of the month.

Can’t do much if you keep changing managers every two years.

Isn’t that what we slated Madrid/Chelsea for doing?

Yet both these teams have won the biggest trophies in the time period we've been "slating" them.

sunama · Feb 12, 2020

Class of 63 said:
Gutsy? Are you being sponsored to talk crap? A few weeks ago we were in touching distance of T4, and it's still a possibility, in the semi-final of the League Cup, and still in the FA Cup and Europa League, a few dodgy results later and he's got to accept he's not up to the job, do me a favour.

We are in 7th place (or is it 8th now?) and have had our worst start to an EPL season ever!
We are on course to finish with our lowest league points total in several decades.
He took over a team which finished in 2nd place.
Are you seriously trying to argue the case for Ole?

Anybody in their right mind can't possibly think that he is doing even an average job.

RedBanker · Feb 12, 2020

sunama said:
We are in 7th place (or is it 8th now?) and have had our worst start to an EPL season ever!
We are on course to finish with our lowest league points total in several decades.
He took over a team which finished in 2nd place.
Are you seriously trying to argue the case for Ole?

Anybody in their right mind can't possibly think that he is doing even an average job.

28.80 percent for whom Solskjaer>>>>Man Utd

sunama · Feb 12, 2020

AneRu said:
He should count himself extremely lucky that we have bean counters calling the shots, in a proper football environment he shouldn't have survived the Newcastle defeat.

...losing to Burnley. Or how about Watford, who were bottom of the table, when we played them.

Gehrman · Feb 12, 2020

Bilbo said:
There are only 2 managers in world football that I believe are absolute certainties to improve our team, and our 2 main rivals have them and they will never manage us. I think that a lot of people have an understandable reluctance to jump on the Pochettino wagon.

Erm only 2 managers better than ole?...

RedBanker · Feb 12, 2020

Shamana said:
Erm only 2 managers better than ole?...

Actually for the Solskjaer apologists it is one. Because they easily compare Ole and Klopp.

Wolfmother · Feb 12, 2020

Enigma_87 said:
So it's a good thing Rashford was overplayed to extend he will most likely miss the remainder of the season?

Again, look at the stats and how he fared in open play this year and last year - numbers are the same. He is the focal point of the attack and operates in much more space compared to last year due to us being a counter attacking side against better sides.

Is it fair to say he is a "positive influence" to a young player (your best asset) to be overplayed through pain over and over again and end up being injured ?

What exactly do you mean by overplayed? Because the medical team didn’t pick up on his injury, or the fact that he played less minutes than 34 year old Ronaldo? Actually, Rashford hasn’t played more minutes than most important first teamers.

TRUERED89 · Feb 12, 2020

sunama said:
...losing to Burnley. Or how about Watford, who were bottom of the table, when we played them.

Crystal Palace at OT too, who are currently 14th and haven't won a game in 2020. West Ham away, Bournemouth away I could go on and on.

All 3 spanked us, and are currently 14th, 16th and 18th respectively :lol:

Enigma_87 · Feb 12, 2020

Wolfmother said:
What exactly do you mean by overplayed? Because the medical team didn’t pick up on his injury, or the fact that he played less minutes than 34 year old Ronaldo? Actually, Rashford hasn’t played more minutes than most important first teamers.

So you think he wasn't overplayed?

Did you also miss the comments that he was playing through pain for weeks?

el3mel · Feb 12, 2020

Wolfmother said:
What exactly do you mean by overplayed? Because the medical team didn’t pick up on his injury, or the fact that he played less minutes than 34 year old Ronaldo? Actually, Rashford hasn’t played more minutes than most important first teamers.

He played the Wolves match while being injured and having several knocks. Ole confirmed that post match and even said he didn't want to play him but had to gamble, so the medical team didn't actually clear him for the match. Enough of blaming our medical department for the injuries. Ole's the one responsible for aggravating our most important players injuries this season by continuously rushing them back, something that I haven't seen happening so frequently in one season for a long time despite the medical department being the same.

James Ward · Feb 12, 2020

If we ever win the league with Ole I will chop off both my nuts and donate 90% of my salary to a charity for the rest of my life.

That's how confident I am of how crap he is. He would sooner get us relegated than win the league.

Rolaholic · Feb 12, 2020

mu4c_20le said:
Could ask the same to those who openly insult Ole and then hide behind the "I can separate between player and manager!" excuse.

I don't think those people are actively wishing for him to fail though, pretty sure they were cheering him on at the start after he went on that winning run to begin his tenure. I was

The pushback has only come as of late after one of the worst starts to a league campaign we've had and some questionable personnel and tactical decisions during the season. Ole was getting almost nothing but positive feedback from fans and the press during the summer. Results and performance tend to change how most people view someone's position, just look at Mourinho and how far he fell down in just about everyone's esteem due to results and performance just months after finishing 2nd.

That's how football is and has been as long as I've watched, things can change quite fast and drastically when a team stagnates or regresses.

Enigma_87 · Feb 12, 2020

Micky Targaryen said:
Don't think the remaining 10% can buy you a new pair of nuts though ..

There is a better chance of him growing another pair than Ole winning the league.

James Ward · Feb 12, 2020

Micky Targaryen said:
Don't think the remaining 10% can buy you a new pair of nuts though ..

Its a safe bet, Ole is so far out of his depth its scary.

Micky Targaryen · Feb 12, 2020

James Ward said:
If we ever win the league with Ole I will chop off both my nuts and donate 90% of my salary to a charity for the rest of my life.

That's how confident I am of how crap he is. He would sooner get us relegated than win the league.

Why not just donate 100%? Selfish bastard.

Wolfmother · Feb 12, 2020

Enigma_87 said:
So you think he wasn't overplayed?

Did you also miss the comments that he was playing through pain for weeks?

No i don’t. We don’t have many options, and even Juventus who has many of them even play Ronaldo more minutes. Are you saying a 21 year old can’t do the same?

Yes, he played through some pain. Most players in the world do.

TRUERED89 · Feb 12, 2020

Micky Targaryen said:
Why not just donate 100%? Selfish bastard.

He'll need a bit of cash to get his nuts sliced off professionally :lol:

. Give the guy a break!

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