Is Pogba as good as gone?

RedDevilUnited369 · Feb 19, 2020

Anything less than £120m is Utd being publicly mugged off.

The reason Raiola is talking in the media is he wants us to lower our price to the £90m mark so he can bag the £30m

Raiola knows that £120m is the minimum but to get his payday he knows no club will hit the £150m mark.

BusbyMalone · Feb 19, 2020

Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Disagree. United can extend his contract and therefore have much more leverage. Pogba's desire to go somewhere else is only a minor factor. We don't have to play him and he's a sunk cost, so we don't really lose anything by keeping him. Any impacts of retaining him are limited to opportunity cost but that doesn't really impact the balance sheet.

Oh sure, if they do that then yeah. I'm talking about the situation as it currently is. Also, he would have to agree to sign a contract extension and not just leave on a free the next season (or whenever is contract is up)

Also, i don't like keeping players around who don't wanna be here. Especially if you're talking about not playing said player. It's obviously a delicate balance, because i don't want to imply that we should just get rid of him for a reduced offer (i just said the opposite in my first post), but i also don't wanna be in a situation where he's just hanging around.

Dr. Dwayne · Feb 19, 2020

BusbyMalone said:
Oh sure, if they do that then yeah. I'm talking about the situation as it currently is. Also, he would have to agree to sign a contract extension and not just leave on a free the next season (or whenever is contract is up)

Also, i don't like keeping players around who don't wanna be here. Especially if you're talking about not playing said player. It's obviously a delicate balance, because i don't want to imply that we should just get rid of him for a reduced offer (i just said the opposite in my first post), but i also don't wanna be in a situation where he's just hanging around.

Apparently we have the option to extend, which he agreed to when he signed his last extension, hence my view that the club has much more leverage.

I wouldn't want him just hanging around either but felt that it was important to point out the consequences of trying to engineer a move on the cheap because he doesn't want to be here.

Steerpike · Feb 19, 2020

Lastwolf said:
For £50million we might as well keep him an put up with the drama for the next two years, we couldn't replace him for double that money.

Replace what exactly? A player who probably doesn't want to play for us, and has hardly played all season. Let's see what it looks like when he comes back from injury.

It's quite possible we already have replaced him, with Fernandes.

BusbyMalone · Feb 19, 2020

Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
Apparently we have the option to extend, which he agreed to when he signed his last extension, hence my view that the club has much more leverage.

I wouldn't want him just hanging around either but felt that it was important to point out the consequences of trying to engineer a move on the cheap because he doesn't want to be here.

Ah right, ok. Well if that is true (and i wasn't aware of it), then it's different then. I was just talking about the situation as it currently is. I was just under the assumption that any extentsion would have to be accepted by him. And that's obviously not gonna happen.

I do agree with you in theory. I would love the club to take a strong stance on this come the summer and not be dicked about by him or his agent. But it's just a very delicate balance. If we can't sign that extension without him accepting it first, and it is known that he desperately wants to leave, i just think it diminishes our powers somewhat.

But yeah, we shouldn't be willing to accept him leaving on the cheap. Certainly not for the reported fee of £50m (which is probably nonsense anyway). Hence my original stance in this thread of not accepting any old fee just to get rid of him

Stacks · Feb 19, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
He wasn't outstanding in the World Cup at all. He had a few goodish games and a few okay ones. He wasn't France's main man whatsoever. Griezmann and Mbappe had far bigger impacts on the tournament. Pogba wasn't bad by any means but his contribution to the team was grossly exaggerated.

He's got talent but he lacks a lot of other things that make talented players truly great. He wasn't even the main man in that Juve midfield.

Ok I exaggerated but he played a key role with Kante. Doesn't matter if Griezmanm and Mbappe were better. It's irrelevant. In his final Juve season was he not the main man?

Lastwolf · Feb 19, 2020

Steerpike said:
Replace what exactly? A player who probably doesn't want to play for us, and has hardly played all season. Let's see what it looks like when he comes back from injury.

It's quite possible we already have replaced him, with Fernandes.

Who cost £67-£87 million.

His been injured but if he doesn't prove fitness before the end of the season it's unlikely he'll get called up for France, so he can't really afford to play the fake injury game that so many imply. Should he return to any type of form that he has shown for us or France, his value is unquestionable.

I'm not opposed to getting rid of him, Railoa is enough of a reason on his own to sell but they are taking the piss with thinking £50m is acceptable, we got quoted that for Sean Longstaff.

People moan about our inability to get money in player sales, then want to cave seconds after someone low balls the club. Eden Hazard clearly wanted out at Chelsea for over 3 years and they got 80-120 mil for him.

Cassidy · Feb 19, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
He wasn't outstanding in the World Cup at all. He had a few goodish games and a few okay ones. He wasn't France's main man whatsoever. Griezmann and Mbappe had far bigger impacts on the tournament. Pogba wasn't bad by any means but his contribution to the team was grossly exaggerated.

He's got talent but he lacks a lot of other things that make talented players truly great. He wasn't even the main man in that Juve midfield.

Opinions. He was the main midfielder picking both of those players out. He had a very good world cup no need to play it down.
He hasnt been consistent enough for United

Bebestation · Feb 19, 2020

We should buy grealish before selling Pogba because his transfer fee will hold us back in getting a good deal. If that's an advantage at all.

kiristao · Feb 19, 2020

There is no way we are selling Pogba for less that 100ml. And with the club having the option to extend his contract, we control him for 2.5years whether Pogba or Raiola like it or not.

bosnian_red · Feb 19, 2020

Think he's played his last game for the club tbh. Whatever went on with his injury, he didnt not have a season ending injury at any point. Hes training to be fit for the euros, but hes basically gone already. 0 impact on our season and we're 7 months into it.

KekiZeki · Feb 19, 2020

SteveJ said:
Thank goodness that fans aren't being dramatic about this situation.

We're keeping it together and wait for the summer when Pogba will finally go away.

Judas · Feb 19, 2020

Infra-red said:
Another possibility is that Solskjaer and United made a deal with the player like the one Fergie reportedly made with Ronaldo - one more season, keep your head down, don't kick up a stink and we'll let you go in the summer.

Wouldn’t be even remotely surprised if this was the case, but Pogba and his mate haven’t exactly kept up to their end of the bargain.

sammsky1 · Feb 19, 2020

Cassidy said:
Opinions. He was the main midfielder picking both of those players out. He had a very good world cup no need to play it down.
He hasnt been consistent enough for United

That’s the myth and propoganda communicated by his sponsors and paid for influencers to ensure they all made profit on their investments and fee’s.

I watched every game he played. A decent
Team member in a few games and invisible in others. Pretty much what he’s done for us.

Oh and he made sure his little cheer lady speech got retweeted by enough of his millennial fanboys.

Cassidy · Feb 19, 2020

sammsky1 said:
That’s the myth and propoganda communicated by his sponsors and paid for influencers to ensure they all made profit on their investments and fee’s.

I watched every game he played. A decent
Team member in a few games and invisible in others. Pretty much what he’s done for us.

Oh and he made sure his little cheer lady speech got retweeted by enough of his millennial fanboys.

Again opinions. You are not the only one who watched

sammsky1 · Feb 19, 2020

Stacks said:
Ok I exaggerated but he played a key role with Kante. Doesn't matter if Griezmanm and Mbappe were better. It's irrelevant. In his final Juve season was he not the main man?

am beginning to think that’s also a marketing myth. They don’t seem to have missed him one tiny bit after he left.

Guy is a fraud. A very clever one but still a fraud.

Scholsey2004 · Feb 19, 2020

bosnian_red said:
Think he's played his last game for the club tbh. Whatever went on with his injury, he didnt not have a season ending injury at any point. Hes training to be fit for the euros, but hes basically gone already. 0 impact on our season and we're 7 months into it.

Yeah, the amount of times the manager has said he's almost ready and then when the date arrives 'hes nowhere near ready' are stacking up now. In a recent press conference Ole was talking about 'when he feels ready'. There's obviously something going on behind the scenes. I may be wrong and players obviously do get injured but something smells off about this.

mu4c_20le · Feb 19, 2020

He plays much better for France, he usually puts in an all-action box to box performance. Must be a motivation thing, because he also looked much livelier in his first season with us. He's just not mature enough to be the sort of leader that lifts us when things aren't going well. A luxury player of the highest degree.

Bastian · Feb 19, 2020

Bebestation said:
We should buy grealish before selling Pogba because his transfer fee will hold us back in getting a good deal. If that's an advantage at all.

We should do pretty much all of our business before we sell Pogba. And if there are no decent offers he can fight for his place here.

Scholsey2004 · Feb 19, 2020

Can't we sell him to Inter? They only seem to buy from us at the moment. They paid a good fee for Lukaku. Throw in Sanchez for free.

Nou_Camp99 · Feb 19, 2020

Cassidy said:
Opinions. He was the main midfielder picking both of those players out. He had a very good world cup no need to play it down.
He hasnt been consistent enough for United

Because he hasn't tried. If you honestly think he's given his all for us then you need to give up football. He's cheated the fans because at times he has gone through the motions. I want him gone now. Sick of all this nonsense. Why are we crying over it? He's been bang average anyway.

Team Bruno now. The dabbing prat can sod off.

Stacks · Feb 19, 2020

sammsky1 said:
am beginning to think that’s also a marketing myth. They don’t seem to have missed him one tiny bit after he left.

Guy is a fraud. A very clever one but still a fraud.

Ask Juve fans

Stadjer · Feb 19, 2020

sammsky1 said:
am beginning to think that’s also a marketing myth. They don’t seem to have missed him one tiny bit after he left.

Guy is a fraud. A very clever one but still a fraud.

That just shows that Juventus is well run as a club. They lost a starting midfield player but got someone capable to replace him. Did they buy Pjanic when Pogba left?

sammsky1 · Feb 19, 2020

Stadjer said:
That just shows that Juventus is well run as a club. They lost a starting midfield player but got someone capable to replace him. Did they buy Pjanic when Pogba left?

Or more likely that he was a passenger who occasionally landed a Hollywood pass, enough to update his Instagram story and so wetted the pants of his fanboys.

If he was the class player some make out, there would be no dispute because his body of work would stand up to investigation.

Scholsey2004 · Feb 19, 2020

sammsky1 said:
Or more likely that he was a passenger who occasionally landed a Hollywood pass, enough to update his Instagram story and so wetted the pants of his fanboys.

If he was the class player some make out, there would be no dispute because his body of work would stand up to investigation.

No, you're wrong. He was really good at Juventus. His partnership with Vidal was really good. Got plenty of goals and assists.

Cassidy · Feb 19, 2020

Nou_Camp99 said:
Because he hasn't tried. If you honestly think he's given his all for us then you need to give up football. He's cheated the fans because at times he has gone through the motions. I want him gone now. Sick of all this nonsense. Why are we crying over it? He's been bang average anyway.

Team Bruno now. The dabbing prat can sod off.

Bruno may struggle too and you will also throw him under the bus. Most good players we have had over the past 6 years have struggled.

Seij · Feb 20, 2020

RedDevilUnited369 said:
Anything less than £120m is Utd being publicly mugged off.

The reason Raiola is talking in the media is he wants us to lower our price to the £90m mark so he can bag the £30m

Raiola knows that £120m is the minimum but to get his payday he knows no club will hit the £150m mark.

More like 60M and another 60M for Riola.

His fees are getting more and more ridiculous. The club should just blacklist the fat feck. I'm guessing the players who want to join us will avoid him that way.

NoLogo · Feb 20, 2020

dirkey said:
£130 million for Pogba? Zero chance anyone comes in with that much. If we get our money back, sell immediately.

Yeah 130M ain't gonna happen. His market value has dropped significantly since he joined us. I would be surprised if Juve is going to pay more than 80M € for him next summer, given that he will be on only one year left on his contract we might even look at less.

Florida Man · Feb 20, 2020

Why would Raiola want Pogba transferred on the cheap? That affects his bottom line and we pretty much know that he's very adamant about making big money.

JPRouve · Feb 20, 2020

Florida Man said:
Why would Raiola want Pogba transferred on the cheap? That affects his bottom line and we pretty much know that he's very adamant about making big money.

It doesn't. I don't really know where this idea come from. Signing on fees are a different conversations, that fee is negotiated separately and Raiola/Pogba would get roughly the same amount of money whether they extend at United, end up as free agents or are transferred for a world record fee. And it's generally linked to the wage package.

romufc · Feb 20, 2020

I genuinely don't get the logic why Pogba and his team are coming out with such antics.

Pogba was 50/50 on fans support in Nov/ Dec, there is no need to publicly have a go at the club and manger. The only thing he has done is create a greater rift between himself and the fans.

If he quietly just left, fans would support him that he needs a better theam, but now you feel as if he is just a dick.

JPRouve · Feb 20, 2020

romufc said:
I genuinely don't get the logic why Pogba and his team are coming out with such antics.

Pogba was 50/50 on fans support in Nov/ Dec, there is no need to publicly have a go at the club and manger. The only thing he has done is create a greater rift between himself and the fans.

If he quietly just left, fans would support him that he needs a better theam, but now you feel as if he is just a dick.

The problem is that fans support lead to nowhere, you are giving fans too much weight when it comes to business no one considers fans because they have little influence on the club. It doesn't actually help him sign a better contract and it doesn't force the club to purchase better players or fix its structure.

And he has been berated by fans for several years now, so it's a bit rich to talk about fans support.

DoomSlayer · Feb 20, 2020

JPRouve said:
The problem is that fans support lead to nowhere, you are giving fans too much weight when it comes to business no one considers fans because they have little influence on the club. It doesn't actually help him sign a better contract and it doesn't force the club to purchase better players or fix its structure.

And he has been berated by fans for several years now, so it's a bit rich to talk about fans support.

We as fans should also not care about the financial wellbeing of said players. If we can't sell for an appropriate fee, we should keep him even if he throws a fit.

Manchester United should not be seen as a pushover club, we have done enough of that already with the way every club tries to rip us off when we try to buy anyone.

Alabaster Codify7 · Feb 20, 2020

We'll sell for less than we should. We don't hold the cards, unfortunately. The alternative is to keep a sulking player on 300k a week, who plays when he feels like it (maybe 10 times a season) and mopes around the field. When we could replace him with someone on less wages who gives 100% every game.

I expect him to go for around £85m.

Member 101269 · Feb 20, 2020

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JPRouve · Feb 20, 2020

DoomSlayer said:
We as fans should also not care about the financial wellbeing of said players. If we can't sell for an appropriate fee, we should keep him even if he throws a fit.

Manchester United should not be seen as a pushover club, we have done enough of that already with the way every club tries to rip us off when we try to buy anyone.

No one asked you to care about it and no one said that the club has to simply accept everything. But in the context of a conversation on that subject, we need to understand and acknowledge all sides. For me it's very simple, United control Pogba because he is under contract and they should do what benefits them long term.

Hammondo · Feb 20, 2020

crossy1686 said:
If we're planning on selling him at a lowish offer (£50m according to Madrid) then Pogba better get used to playing for someone like Aston Villa, because I'm pretty sure they've got £50m to spare and I'd much rather sell to them than Madrid at that price.

You realize Pogba has to agree to it as well, right?

krautrøck · Feb 20, 2020

JPRouve said:
It doesn't. I don't really where this idea come from. Signing on fees are a different conversations, that fee is negotiated separately and Raiola/Pogba would get roughly the same amount of money whether they extend at United, end up as free agents or are transferred for a world record fee. And it's generally linked to the wage package.

Raiola made 49m€ from Pogbas transfer to United. No way he would have made that amount via a signing-on fee or a run-of-the-mill transfer fee. It is flagship deals like that which lead to sums like 50 odd million.

DoomSlayer · Feb 20, 2020

JPRouve said:
No one asked you to care about it and no one said that the club has to simply accept everything. But in the context of a conversation on that subject, we need to understand and acknowledge all sides. For me it's very simple, United control Pogba because he is under contract and they should do what benefits them long term.

My point is the same, but I don't understand why we should sympathise with Pogba's side.

Bondi77 · Feb 20, 2020

We would have to assume that Ole knows the truth about whether Pogba wants to stay at the club or not and if it is the latter than why should we even play him if he does not want to be at the club.
If our midfield comes good with Bruno, Fred, Mactom and even Matic for the rest of the season then why should we just give game time to Pogba just so he can show that he is fit for the Euros which only benefits himself.
Ole has just said that he will only come back when he feels like he is ready to play which sounds bizarre to me.
I hope Ole shows some balls and after a Pogba is fit enough to play that he starts him on the bench and gives him 15 mins a game and if he really makes a difference then increase the game time so the club benefits.
It would be a bit rough on Fred and Scott if either have to make way for a player that wants out of the club when they are committed to Utd.

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