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I know now. SorryYou know I was taking the piss with that right ?
Stay safe. All bets are off in situations like these indeedKarma I guess!
Also none of the gyms are giving refunds as they have 'force majeure' written into their contracts with customers. Best case if they will defer the booking for 36 months. He might also be finding it very difficult to get back home, as all flights to Europe are fully booked, unless you want to pay £5000 for a business class upgarde, most of which have all gone anyway.
Those left here have quite a philosophical view: If the world shuts down for a few months and we get stranded here, and if we survive the virus after we get it, its one of the best places to be: surrounded by seas full of fish and loads of very skilful fisherman, loads of fruit and rice and vegetables available and no tourists to eat them! Could be worse.
However, one other fear is what happens when the locals run out of money. This tourist season in Phuket has been disastrous, and businesses have only gained perhaps 50-60% of what they had in their plans. After the Tsunami, locals starting kidnapping foreigners and demanding ransoms, or just robbing them, as they had no income at all. Really doubt t will get to that, but then I guess, all bets are off!
Health care workers should have special hours dedicated for their shopping for me, the work they do is unvaluable, they shouldn't have to worry about finding groceriesAn unintended side effect of this as well is that healthcare workers are struggling to get what they need. One of the nurses I work with had a bit of a meltdown a few days ago about the public hoarding all of these supplies and expecting her to go hungry and with a dirty ass.
People need to engage their brains a little more.
It's because we have ganged up on you to ridicule and torment your good self of course.Why because I made a point that anyone can say they’re anything online. How does AfricanSpurs know Arudda is a Doctor? And now suddenly he too claims to be a medic.
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Actually the UK government was going to let it infect a huge number of people so that it may mutate and the people become immune. The down side of it is that you do not know how many people will die by infection. The Asian version is that you quarantine and isolate anyone who has been infected and also not let them come into contact with anyone else. That way they can keep them isolated and treat them as well. This herd version in the UK is not being accepted by any Asian country who has been through this. It is the only solution is to keep the infection to as low number as possible and not what the UK is doing.This sounds very like the direction the UK government were debating at one point. Effectively 4 months quarantine for the ones at most risk. The debate about school closures told us how little chance there was of the public accepting it.
As weak as the inter-generational ties look at times in Britain, they still exist. Parents protect their children and vice versa - and emotionally we want to go closer to them, not further away (even if medically that's the wrong choice) The care system relies on family carers, often cutting across generations and risk groups.
Professional carers and healthcare workers have families of their own.
At the moment we can't even find a satisfactory way of physically caring for people in retirement homes, without exposing them to infection risks. Now multiply that across all the other kinds of care from live-in through daily visits, to weekly clean/laundry/do shopping sessions. It's a nice theory, but real people aren't so easily compartmentalised.
Pretty much. I saw YouTube video of a guy in Japan telling how people in Tokyo in February saw a viral tweet about one of the main manufacturers for Toilet paper was Chinese was being closed down. Was false obviously but didn’t stop people and social media going crazy. Stop after in Tokyo a few days but it spread across Europe and isn’t stopped for a month.No idea. Not sure whether it started with one person buying loads and social media has perpetuated the insanity? Is it a genius marketing ploy from Andrex? It's just people not thinking. For 30yrs I've scoffed at bidets...I take that all back now.
I hope this is true. Jesus we could do with something positive. People still not taking this seriously. My local golf course was absolutely full all day. People in groups of 4 all next to each other. It was like nothing is happening.Tweet
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But they always say it'd take months/years to develop a cure.That's good, hopefully some more good news in next few days. Hopefully they show similar pattern.
In fairness, the study, while promising.....is really quite limited and they acknowledge that in the paper. They've released it due to the urgency of the situation.But they always say it'd take months/years to develop a cure.
They’ve been fake doctors on here a lot longer than you’ve been a fake virologist so they’ve got more money in the bank.Why because I made a point that anyone can say they’re anything online. How does AfricanSpurs know Arudda is a Doctor? And now suddenly he too claims to be a medic.
Doctors probably know better, but pretty sure these things are actually known and available to hospitals at the moment. Or at least in limited quantities. But don't take it for granted of course.But they always say it'd take months/years to develop a cure.
Has he been banned? Why?Momo is no mo'
Yesterday we had every radio station in Italy play the national anthem and three popular Italian songs at 11.00. I only knew "Volare", so I looked up the Italian lyrics and sang along.One nice thing in France, each night at 8 people are going out onto their balconies and applauding and cheering for the medical people to show their appreciation.
Younger people got infected from travelling. So their death rate will increase a bit in couple of weeks.The only thing giving me any sense of hope in this madness is the German numbers. What's going on there?
And I suppose they don't wanna make OTT announcements which will make people break the needed confinement measures.In fairness, the study, while promising.....is really quite limited and they acknowledge that in the paper. They've released it due to the urgency of the situation.
I've just had a quick skim read and seemingly the study had a total of 42 patients (of whom 6 dropped out), didn't include ICU patients and the primary endpoints were shedding of the virus, not quite clinical outcomes.
Still, anything is potentially good news so I'll be eager to see what bigger trials show for it.
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The drugs are not new at all. Azithromycin is an antibiotic for all kinds of infections (including STDs!) and Hydroxychloroquine is used for malaria treatment and some autoimmune conditions like Lupus and Rheumatoid arthritis as well.Doctors probably know better, but pretty sure these things are actually known and available to hospitals at the moment. Or at least in limited quantities. But don't take it for granted of course.
I’m up for shutting down right now too. Pretty exposed at work and more and more people seem to be feeling that way in my anecdotal experience. Still plenty that are ignoring it and they’re the ones making keeping things open impossible.I don't think we have a choice but to shut down everything. People working worried to keep other people's business afloat in this situation isn't fair anyway.
The Government need to act fast before we end up mirroring Italy in two weeks time, its time for the army to roll on, its time to force us to stay inside rather than give us the option.
It's boring as hell but I value mine and my families lives more.
For sure. Its taken months for (some!) people in the West to start following these methods, probably wouldn't take much to get everyone out again.And I suppose they don't wanna make OTT announcements which will make people break the needed confinement measures.
Of course, that's what I guessed/hoped so it could definitely be a good news!The drugs are not new at all. Azithromycin is an antibiotic for all kinds of infections (including STDs!) and Hydroxychloroquine is used for malaria treatment and some autoimmune conditions like Lupus and Rheumatoid arthritis as well.
So if they do work, it would be incredible. We wouldn't need to still develop it, we wouldn't need to hope the company that develops it allows other companies to produce it. It would already be out there.
The study is not exactly.....watertight but let's hope follow up studies also show a positive effect, both for reducing viral loads (and therefore potentially reducing how long someone can infect others) and also as a treatment.
That () is what Italy was doing?Some people are saying it’s the way deaths are reported. So if someone catches Corona but has an underlying health issue then then the death gets attributed to the health issue.
I have no idea if this is the case.
Not only that. The six who dropped out had one death.In fairness, the study, while promising.....is really quite limited and they acknowledge that in the paper. They've released it due to the urgency of the situation.
I've just had a quick skim read and seemingly the study had a total of 42 patients (of whom 6 dropped out), didn't include ICU patients and the primary endpoints were shedding of the virus, not quite clinical outcomes.
Still, anything is potentially good news so I'll be eager to see what bigger trials show for it.
To develop a vaccine. Different antiviral drug combinations still might end up being really useful.But they always say it'd take months/years to develop a cure.
Good info, especially the bit towards the end where he says it will come back again later in the year when the weather gets cool and infect anyone who wasn't infected this time. So barring a vaccine, we will probably have to go through this again at some point.
Thats the state of the roads in Spain for a weekend get always. For the rest of people sorry is in english. But basically. several kilometres of feckING TRAFFIC JAMI know @4bars mentioned that people were flouting the ban in Spain earlier in this thread - I was suprised as it's been really quiet down south - but tonight there's a full on kid's Spanish birthday party* going on down the road from me. Seems like we're fecking idiots too (I'm Brit but in Spain 7 years).
I just don't get it. I can't understand the mentality.
*basically, the entire family potentially 50+ people, flamenco dancing, PA system and it'll be going on til 1 or so in the morning
I'm currently working from home, my wife has had a cough for a few days so we are self isolating so it's 14 days at home for us.I’m up for shutting down right now too. Pretty exposed at work and more and more people seem to be feeling that way in my anecdotal experience. Still plenty that are ignoring it and they’re the ones making keeping things open impossible.
If you could ride this out in any country, which would you choose?
Oh thats interesting. That wasn't exactly how they expalined it in the press conference. Thats a good link. You should put that in the other threadThis is wrong. If there are two people in a home and Person A becomes symptomatic, they self isolate for 7 days and Person B house isolates for 14 days. If Person B then becomes symptomatic on Day 14 or even the morning of Day 15, they would need to self isolate themselves for a further 7 days, which would be 21 or 22 days.
See here: https://assets.publishing.service.g...file/874011/Stay_at_home_guidance_diagram.pdf
Hong Kong or Singapore. Small, rich and geared up.If you could ride this out in any country, which would you choose?
Where is Keifer Sutherland?
1 Vice President Mike Pence Republican 2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi Democratic 3 President pro tempore of the Senate Chuck Grassley Republican 4 Secretary of State Mike Pompeo Republican 5 Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin Republican 6 Secretary of Defense Mark Esper Republican 7 Attorney General William Barr Republican 8 Secretary of the Interior David Bernhardt Republican 9 Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue Republican 10 Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross Republican 11 Secretary of Labor Eugene Scalia Republican 12 Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar Republican 13 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Ben Carson Republican
I stopped at 13 because if it gets to him the world is over.
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Greenland, or I wouldn't mind Norway to bunker down in.If you could ride this out in any country, which would you choose?