SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Getting tired of the “following the science” responses now.
I for one am pleased they are following the science. The scientists are more qualified than politicians when it comes down to controlling a pandemic. When the government ditch the advice, then i will panic
 

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Yes, and paper/crayons/colouring books for kids?
Give that to today's youth and they will batter you Penna. It's all about tablets nowadays, they don't want no crayons and paper.
 

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I for one am pleased they are following the science. The scientists are more qualified than politicians when it comes down to controlling a pandemic. When the government ditch the advice, then i will panic
If we're going to just repeat the government's "simple statements are best" propaganda can we at least be a bit more truthful when talking to each other?

There isn't "the science" on this. We all know that's true so let's not use definitive terms just because it's the government media strategy.
 

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I thought we had all learned by now it doesn't matter one jot whether you are rich or poor. It's not a class specific virus, it is being spread by all, but primarily by families and close friends in group gatherings, no matter what their income status. Travelling, events, supermarket trips etc. are all minor sources of transmission.
If you're talking about vulnerability it certainly does matter if you're rich or poor, because if you're poor you are far more likely to be forced by circumstances to put yourselves at risk (e.g - you're a key worker, your job involves interaction with members of the public, you live with other key workers, you have dependent family members living elsewhere, you live in close proximity to and/or share communal spaces with other households, your home is to small to practice social distancing in the event one of you gets sick). You're also much more likely to have underlying health conditions/poor health. If you're talking about how we got into this situation - mobile, affluent people have indisputably played the greatest role in helping the virus spread between population centres.

Stanley Roads post was blaming the continued spread of the disease on 'the underclass' - my point was that, generally speaking, it's the actions of affluent people which have helped spread the virus.
So 1 province in NL had over 50pc of all cases in the Netherlands, Brabant. Why? They had a Carnival there 6 to 8 weeks ago, look it up and look through pictures to see how many wealthy people you can spot amongst the thousands of losers


Good luck
Have you heard of the Cheltenham festival?
 

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Something a bit surreal happened today. Due to holidayers spotted in the area, the city of Sète shut all roads accessing the city, they effectively isolated themselves from the rest of the world.
 

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980 deaths in the UK today, which is higher than any day Italy experienced (albeit with Italy having a slightly smaller population). That number not including deaths in homes and hospices I believe and still approx. a week away from the expected peak.

Yet the media's coverage of what's going on in the UK seems strangely different to the way Italy was covered.
We’re just all so numb to it now. Feels very different living through it in a banal manner, if not a key worker. Crazy how something so frightening becomes normal, almost comfortable.
 

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Good for Sète, why should they suffer?
They shouldn't and they are totally correct. People are being daft, they have been told to not go on holidays in other regions/departments and particularly not in the south, we are doing okay at the moment and they are potentially bringing the thing with them.
 

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Hancock basically admits that face masks work, our approach is to ensure the limited supply is saved for healthcare workers.

I agree wholeheartedly with that point but they still need to ramp up production.
They're too proud to accept help from the EU on it. Would rather people die than that
 

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With the death stats being based on when they are reported you can guarantee that the government are trying their best to manage the numbers to keep it under the magic 1,000 number
 

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Good story on the Guardian about the NHS volunteering scheme still not getting off the ground. I signed up within a hour of its launch, registered and installed the app, and not had a single alert.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/10/nhs-coronavirus-volunteer-ionger-than-expected
I've had one a couple of days ago - A little old lady who didn't want anything right now but was happy to know she could contact me if she wanted. Other than that there's been nothing.
 

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Got this yesterday when a couple of guards drove up to my farm asking what i was doing, if my work was essential.
Fecker, I own this land youre standing on.
Seen Irish guards throwing their weight around twice in the hour or so i've been out across the week. It should definitely be clarified what exactly their purpose at the moment is.
 

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Was chatting to my friend who is very clued up in terms of macro economics, he said that we'll likely have an economic downturn that is bigger than 2008. For a while I thought it would be a short term shock because of all the measures that have been put in place, but he said that while 2008 affected the banks, this current crisis is hitting everyone. The government has far too many plates to keep up and it will collapse eventually.
 

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They're too proud to accept help from the EU on it. Would rather people die than that
The UK received aid in the form of masks and protective overalls from Turkey today. I take it to mean there is an actual shortage, which I wasn't aware of up until reading that.

If that's the case, the UK is automatically doing a much poorer job than other nations of slowing the spread, as widespread mask use should be standard. They should stop clapping for Boris and put those hands to use actually making stuff.
 

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Just reading about deaths in Italy amongst the medical and other health professions - there have been 97 doctors who have died (43 of those were GPs), 10 dentists, 28 nurses and 6 pharmacists. Terrible numbers and particularly sad when a doctor has come out of retirement to help out.
I kind of wish they wouldn't do that. Its really admirable but they've given enough over their lives. They're the precise kind of people i'd want protected during this. Maybe use them as like remote doctors working from home that people can call up for advice or something similar. Putting them on the frontlines just feels really wasteful
 

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Good story on the Guardian about the NHS volunteering scheme still not getting off the ground. I signed up within a hour of its launch, registered and installed the app, and not had a single alert.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/10/nhs-coronavirus-volunteer-ionger-than-expected
Yeah, I signed up too and received virtually no correspondence. Decided to go with the more localised publicvoice - london last week, had a telephone interview with them yesterday and am all but setup to start calling people soon.

I think one thing that this crisis may be showing us is that a return to a more localised approach - even for a scheme like this - is far more manageable and time effective.
 

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We can already have the IgG/IgM test in our hospital, but it will take a bit before we start using it. We've yet to have a recovered case here.
Was it developed in house? The performance of tests I've seen so far is not great and they are lacking in most validation data. Many are claiming FDA approval even though FDA haven't approved anything aside from giving a EUA for one company.
 

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Was it developed in house? The performance of tests I've seen so far is not great and they are lacking in most validation data. Many are claiming FDA approval even though FDA haven't approved anything aside from giving a EUA for one company.
I don't know, it was just a message I got as member of our local "GMC", it didn't specify those kind of details and I'm not working in the hospital.
 

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The last 3 days have been higher than any day Italy had. Death numbers are wildly inaccurate though, possibly moreso than case numbers.

It was all a novelty and a shock back then, and it was happening to somebody else. This is the new norm, half of Europe is recording hundreds of cases a day and the US is into the thousands and climbing. Media and public perspective has changed.
Moronic that we waited so long. As moronic as the company I work for thinking we're essential workers. I felt off on Wednesday - luckily I haven't gotten worse and feel better than I did then so it may have allergies or a cold. Screw Boris and his crew.
 

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Was chatting to my friend who is very clued up in terms of macro economics, he said that we'll likely have an economic downturn that is bigger than 2008. For a while I thought it would be a short term shock because of all the measures that have been put in place, but he said that while 2008 affected the banks, this current crisis is hitting everyone. The government has far too many plates to keep up and it will collapse eventually.
The key is confidence. We are going to have periods of working and staying at home most likely. People aren't really going to spend money just like that. Furthermore, many of the businesses that have closed won't reopen. Then you have weak monetary policy. I am not sure the downtown and recovery will be as long as 2008. Remember, we are coming from a low base. Even beofre the crisis, the US was the only OECD country growing at a decent pace and they were piling on debt like there's no tomorrow. Europe was barely grown, emerging markets too, had problems.
 

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I for one am pleased they are following the science. The scientists are more qualified than politicians when it comes down to controlling a pandemic. When the government ditch the advice, then i will panic
I am all for it but it seems like whenever a politician is hit with a challenging question it's their default answer.
 

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For those clued up, how many days did we waste formulating that stupid herd mentality strategy and not asking people to stay at home?
 

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For those clued up, how many days did we waste formulating that stupid herd mentality strategy and not asking people to stay at home?
I think Boris was talking about herd immunity on the 12th March, lockdown started on the 24th March?

Edit - lockdown started on the 23rd, not 24th.