Would you sell Pogba to finance a deal for Sancho?

I'd sell Pogba for any combination of Grealish, Sancho, Maddison or others. Just on their recent fitness records alone, even leaving aside ability or team balance, it would be a massive instant improvement for us.

Pogba has barely kicked a ball in the last 6 months. He wants to leave the club. He has the biggest scumbag of an agent in football.

Grealish and Bruno could easily replicate all of his attacking ouput, and then some, without the furore.

Who would buy Pogba currently anyway... even before the potential of financial crisis, nobody really needed him. He surely would improve any team in the world offensively, but that's not the main responsibility of a midfielder, most clubs could pay for less and get an 'alright' midfielder to play for them instead.

If Pogba was a striker or a winger, He would have left the club a long time ago. To put things into perspective if there were a lot of interested buyers and They thought Pogba was worth all the drama and money, then when both him and Raiola started to kick up a fuss and disrespected the club, the club would have sold Pogba. But it didn't happen and now it must be very awkward for both him and the fat feck agent, considering how the team has been improving while He contributed feck all to it.

Never. You don't create a weakness to gain a strength.

Nickelodeon said:

Pros:

We solve our RW problem
Younger player. Potentially long term solution (>5 years) if he can reach his potential and we can be challengers.
Already have Pogba replacement in Bruno
Difficult to have Pogba and Bruno in our midfield 3 without disrupting the balance
FO Raiola

Cons:

IF we find a combination where Bruno and Pogba both are able to give their best, ours could be the best (or top 3) midfield in the league
Sancho is unproven

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Our problem was never replacing Pogba. It was having ONLY Pogba. Sell him and you have ONLY Bruno. No work done at all.

RUCK4444 said:

Disagree, Pogba is a generational talent (best of his age group.)

You don’t replace those without spending big bucks and no matter who you have in mind they aren’t as talented a Pogba.

Plus now that the starting 11 is actually a far more functional side with a higher quality level thanks to Ole - now is the time to really judge him in my opinion.

People held out unrealistic demands from Pogba, that he would be responsible for transforming our side almost single handedly.
When in reality Messi would have struggled in this united side over the past few years.

His numbers have been consistently good and better than anybody in the side since his arrival.

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Being best of his age group doesnt make him a "generational talent" (God i hate that term). Do you seriously think he has been amongst the absolute best players the last 20-30 years?
If so, we must have been watching a different player. Being talented means feck all if you cant translate it to the pitch.

"People held out unrealistic demands from Pogba, that he would be responsible for transforming our side almost single handedly."

Is this really true? To me this sounds like something you tell yourself when people have a different opinion than you. I, for example, never had that expectation. I did however expect him to play a lot better than he have for the last 3 years. As i said in a previous post, good players stand out in bad teams, that why better team buys them. Thats how you climb the ladder.
He hasnt been bad by no means, i was just expecting a bit more given the price and rep he came with. Thats my opinion anyway.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:

Our problem was never replacing Pogba. It was having ONLY Pogba. Sell him and you have ONLY Bruno. No work done at all.

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Precisely. Well said.

Ekeke said:

Salah is the same age, KDB is a year older, same with Mane, same with Neymar. All have been better players than Pogba than his level at United

Messi would have been twice as impactful

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Salah was an absolute donkey of a player until Klopp worked his magic on him.

Pogba has played consistently at a high level and is a World Cup winner in which he played an integral part and was a leader amongst that France team.

Regarding Messi, I was being sarcastic, of course he would, but this is my point - you don’t have to be Messi to be a generational top talent, people have unrealistic expectations for one player to turn our fortunes around.

jamesjimmybyrondean said:

He looked like one at Juve but you'd be lying to yourself if you think he has become the midfielder he looked like he was going to be. Doesn't mean he's not good or he's repressed. He's just been underwhelming

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Thing is, ask yourself this. What would Pogba have looked like in say City’s team heaven forbid had he signed for them instead of us?

He would have looked every inch the player he was at Juve and more.

You have to factor in two points;
•We have been a disjointed mess for 6 years
•Hes good but not good enough to transform that mess alone, his stats are still the best of the players we’ve had since he arrived.

Yes I would be lying if I said his time here has been a glittering success but he’s been viewed through unrealistic expectations by many.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:

Our problem was never replacing Pogba. It was having ONLY Pogba. Sell him and you have ONLY Bruno. No work done at all.

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Precisely! I’ve been trying to make this point, you’ve summed it up well.

Then once we have only Bruno and he’s not winning us the league on his own the same posters will be wanting him sold no doubt.

RUCK4444 said:

Precisely! I’ve been trying to make this point, you’ve summed it up well.

Then once we have only Bruno and he’s not winning us the league on his own the same posters will be wanting him sold no doubt.

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You are making it sounds like Sancho isn’t a creative player. If this type of deal does happen then we are not only have Bruno but also Sancho as our creative player who can create chances.

The main issue is that we will be left with only Matic, Scott & Fred in the double pivot option if we don’t replace Pogba.

I think that if we sold Pogba for good money like £100m or so, plus a budget of another £100m. We could get Sancho, Partey and Grealish for that money.

Personally I think we will keep Pogba as no one will spend that on him. But if we could.. we could Improve our squad drastically.

Yes. Can we also bring in a holding midfielder in exchange for his barber as well?

UNITED ACADEMY said:

The main issue is that we will be left with only Matic, Scott & Fred in the double pivot option if we don’t replace Pogba.

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Ffs *crosses off bingo card*

But you're absolutely right.

RUCK4444 said:

Salah was an absolute donkey of a player until Klopp worked his magic on him.

Pogba has played consistently at a high level and is a World Cup winner in which he played an integral part and was a leader amongst that France team.

Regarding Messi, I was being sarcastic, of course he would, but this is my point - you don’t have to be Messi to be a generational top talent, people have unrealistic expectations for one player to turn our fortunes around.

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Not true. He was great at Roma. You are just making it up as you go now, arent you. Its getting hard to take anything you say serious.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:

Our problem was never replacing Pogba. It was having ONLY Pogba. Sell him and you have ONLY Bruno. No work done at all.

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Absolutely agree. But if it were an either or between Pogba and Sancho, for Pogba, we do have a replacement in Bruno. But in Sancho's position, we have Daniel James. And it's clear as day in which position we would get a more incremental qualitative addition.

Mind you, I'm hoping for the best case where Pogba declares his loyalty to United, signs an extension, gels perfectly with Bruno and we sign Sancho who hits the ground running. However, I'm way too pessimistic to see all those things actually happening. Plus there is also the option of replacing Pogba with a cheaper midfielder who would definitely be a downgrade but doesn't have to be first choice necessarily.

The worst case is that we don't sign Sancho and are stuck with an uncommitted Pogba for another year while trying to find a buyer for him or trying to get him to sign a deal for crazy money.

Hypothetical question. Who's got the money we want for Pogba? Juventus are offering another part exchange.

Runaway Sue said:

Not true. He was great at Roma. You are just making it up as you go now, arent you. Its getting hard to take anything you say serious.

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Ha I remembered he was decent at Roma which evidently got him the move back to the PL but it was hardly a good enough spell to even mention.

Nobody expected Salah to turn into a world beater at Liverpool, including Liverpool fans.

Runaway Sue said:

Being best of his age group doesnt make him a "generational talent" (God i hate that term). Do you seriously think he has been amongst the absolute best players the last 20-30 years?
If so, we must have been watching a different player. Being talented means feck all if you cant translate it to the pitch.

"People held out unrealistic demands from Pogba, that he would be responsible for transforming our side almost single handedly."

Is this really true? To me this sounds like something you tell yourself when people have a different opinion than you. I, for example, never had that expectation. I did however expect him to play a lot better than he have for the last 3 years. As i said in a previous post, good players stand out in bad teams, that why better team buys them. Thats how you climb the ladder.
He hasnt been bad by no means, i was just expecting a bit more given the price and rep he came with. Thats my opinion anyway.

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Listen Sue you got your panties in a twist and I’m not really sure why unless you do harbour some over exaggerated opinion of Pogba that your trying your best to hide.

I’m merely pointing out that for a club of our stature we need multiple world class players, not one here and possibly one on the wing if he meets his expectations, that’s a nonsense.

You keep the class players you have and ADD to them, not sell one for one. That epitomises our stagnation in the transfer market over the past 6 years.

Oh and I’m not getting into another petty argument on the use of the term ‘Generational Talent.’
I assume your American and that only means one thing to you?
Its used widely by people and by the press to describe a player who was the best of his age group when coming through (best of their generation.) Not meaning over 25 feckin years obviously.

Mark Pawelek said:

Hypothetical question. Who's got the money we want for Pogba? Juventus are offering another part exchange.

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PSG. I'm upset I haven't seen any links with them and Pogba

RUCK4444 said:

Thing is, ask yourself this. What would Pogba have looked like in say City’s team heaven forbid had he signed for them instead of us?

He would have looked every inch the player he was at Juve and more.

You have to factor in two points;
•We have been a disjointed mess for 6 years
•Hes good but not good enough to transform that mess alone, his stats are still the best of the players we’ve had since he arrived.

Yes I would be lying if I said his time here has been a glittering success but he’s been viewed through unrealistic expectations by many.

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I agree. Pogba is one of those players that shine best when everybody is playing well. He's not like Bruno or Grealish that can carry a team

RUCK4444 said:

Thing is, ask yourself this. What would Pogba have looked like in say City’s team heaven forbid had he signed for them instead of us?

He would have looked every inch the player he was at Juve and more.

You have to factor in two points;
•We have been a disjointed mess for 6 years
•Hes good but not good enough to transform that mess alone, his stats are still the best of the players we’ve had since he arrived.

Yes I would be lying if I said his time here has been a glittering success but he’s been viewed through unrealistic expectations by many.

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Then why did he sign for United and not City? He knew United were struggling and unlikely to be competing for top honours for a while and he knew City were the dominant PL team and had more top players than the rest, plus they had the best manager. Couldnt have been anything to with United offering to pay more for him than City, could it? Being the world record signing probably appealed to him, as did the offer of higher wages, but now the novelty's worn off and he wants out; SAF made very few mistakes re players in his long managerial career in England and Scotland and he clearly had huge doubts about Pogbas attitude and after shipped him out 16 months after signing him. Pogba is a very good player, sometimes a great player, but he hasnt performed anything like he could and should have done. He's wanted to go for a couple of seasons now, so we should let him, theres no point in hanging on to a player who wants to be elsewhere.

redmanx said:

Then why did he sign for United and not City? He knew United were struggling and unlikely to be competing for top honours for a while and he knew City were the dominant PL team and had more top players than the rest, plus they had the best manager. Couldnt have been anything to with United offering to pay more for him than City, could it? Being the world record signing probably appealed to him, as did the offer of higher wages, but now the novelty's worn off and he wants out; SAF made very few mistakes re players in his long managerial career in England and Scotland and he clearly had huge doubts about Pogbas attitude and after shipped him out 16 months after signing him. Pogba is a very good player, sometimes a great player, but he hasnt performed anything like he could and should have done. He's wanted to go for a couple of seasons now, so we should let him, theres no point in hanging on to a player who wants to be elsewhere.

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SAF had openly admitted on many occassions that he was desperate and did everything to try to keep Pogba. It's Pogba and his agent who decided to leave.

RUCK4444 said:

Listen Sue you got your panties in a twist and I’m not really sure why unless you do harbour some over exaggerated opinion of Pogba that your trying your best to hide.

I’m merely pointing out that for a club of our stature we need multiple world class players, not one here and possibly one on the wing if he meets his expectations, that’s a nonsense.

You keep the class players you have and ADD to them, not sell one for one. That epitomises our stagnation in the transfer market over the past 6 years.

Oh and I’m not getting into another petty argument on the use of the term ‘Generational Talent.’
I assume your American and that only means one thing to you?
Its used widely by people and by the press to describe a player who was the best of his age group when coming through (best of their generation.) Not meaning over 25 feckin years obviously.

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I'd rather keep Pogba and add Sancho than swap them, on that we can agree. But the bolded part, jeez, you need to stop this. I have nothing against the fellar, i base my opinion on what ive seen on the pitch, so please stop insinuating i have some ulterior motives. Im not calling you Pogba fanboi, am i? To me, he hasnt fulfilled the promise he came with, simple as.
Generational talent implies a talent who only comes about once or twice every generation. And a generation is 30ish years. Just like a decade is 10 years.

Anyways, I think we got off the wrong foot here so lets park this past conversation
I have to say, the prospect of Pogba and Bruno in midfield is mouth-watering and a relationship i would love to see blossom! Teams have been doubling down on Pogba but with Bruno here teams cant really afford that tactic and that will no doubt benefit Pogba. Future looks bright.

redmanx said:

Then why did he sign for United and not City? He knew United were struggling and unlikely to be competing for top honours for a while and he knew City were the dominant PL team and had more top players than the rest, plus they had the best manager. Couldnt have been anything to with United offering to pay more for him than City, could it? Being the world record signing probably appealed to him, as did the offer of higher wages, but now the novelty's worn off and he wants out; SAF made very few mistakes re players in his long managerial career in England and Scotland and he clearly had huge doubts about Pogbas attitude and after shipped him out 16 months after signing him. Pogba is a very good player, sometimes a great player, but he hasnt performed anything like he could and should have done. He's wanted to go for a couple of seasons now, so we should let him, theres no point in hanging on to a player who wants to be elsewhere.

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I agree with nothing about this apart from your last sentence, any player that wants to go should.

Regarding your opinion that he signed only for money and therefore should have signed for somebody like City - Really? So that must apply to all players we have signed post Fergie? No? Or have you proved my point by applying this only to Pogba?

Prime example of how peoples opinion of him is skewed by issues such as money and an over exaggerated expectation that he should perform like peak Zidane every single game.

I mentioned in another thread that perhaps his weakness is that he needs to have the right environment and to play at his best when the team are performing. But that applies to 95% of players. I've said before he is an 'icing on the cake' player. You drop in into a City or Madrid team and watch him make his detractors look like fools.

My concern is, we have almost finished baking the cake, we should want to put that icing on as well.

RUCK4444 said:

Salah was an absolute donkey of a player until Klopp worked his magic on him.

Pogba has played consistently at a high level and is a World Cup winner in which he played an integral part and was a leader amongst that France team.

Regarding Messi, I was being sarcastic, of course he would, but this is my point - you don’t have to be Messi to be a generational top talent, people have unrealistic expectations for one player to turn our fortunes around.

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I wasnt expecting Pogba to "turn our fortunes around" but I would have expected him to be significantly our best player in every season since he joined in 2016 - especially considering we havent bought other players who were sought by clubs all over europe like he was and why he cost so much. He hasnt been that.

He's had 2 seasons where he was our best player and not always by a significant margin. Salah was good at Roma hence why he was bought

Nou_Camp99 said:

Pogba has been replaced. He's called Bruno. We signed Bruno in January knowing that Pogba would very likely be leaving in the summer and then Covid-19 happened. So Pogba might have to stay yet again. And we probably won't be getting Sancho.

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Bruno is not a replacement for Pogba, he's an addition to the midfield. They do some similar things, but they can absolutely work together to a much better effect than picking one over the other. And again, Bruno's had a month here of playing, let's not act as if he's the absolute answer to every issue in the midfield, the honeymoon comes to an end at some point and that's when we will see how people still feel about Fernandes then. I hope he keeps it up, but there's bound to be some ups and downs.

Champagne Football said:

Pogba will be gone in the next transfer window. One of Madrid or Juventus will offer a player plus cash. Kroos and cash or Ramsey plus cash. There's no point keeping an unhappy player, and a player who has a disruptive influence on the club if you don't give in to his every demand.

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Again, not a disruptive influence so much so as the media is. Again, speak to anybody at the club and they will all tell you that he's the model professional and a great influence on the team. These are the people I put stock in their assessment of Pogba, not bitter ex players who have to make the most controversial claims to get clicks/views looking at it from the outside. Any player worth his salt in world football would be unhappy playing in this United side of the last three years, the only ones who are content are those just happy to steal a living playing in mediocrity. I'd be concerned if a player like Pogba was content being on a team this mediocre. But now, at least until this pandemic got out, the team felt like it's on the rise. Bruno's come in as an immediate upgrade which has been rare for all new recruits at this club in recent times. There's strong rumors (take that for what it's worth) that Sancho is very interested in coming and if that were to happen, this all of the sudden becomes a team that can compete. Pogba will be happy with that. He came back to this club specifically because he wanted to, he could have gotten his contract anywhere in the world, people know his worth on the field and off it as well. World class players who can play anywhere want to compete, you give those conditions to them and they will want to be a part of it.

Sayros said:

Bruno is not a replacement for Pogba, he's an addition to the midfield. They do some similar things, but they can absolutely work together to a much better effect than picking one over the other.

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Im sorry but this is just a load of cobblers. In January it looked a certainty that Pogba would leave this summer and he still might. However I think Covid-19 has probably stopped that move. Hence why we signed Bruno.

Why do people on here keep pretending to themselves he's happy and wants to stay? We all know he's not.

Also how often do we sign top midfielders in January window to partner who we already have?

I'm 99.9999% convinced Bruno was signed in the knowledge Pogba was probably going to leave. This might not be able to happen now due to unforseen circumstances.

Nou_Camp99 said:

Im sorry but this is just a load of cobblers. In January it looked a certainty that Pogba would leave this summer and he still might. However I think Covid-19 has probably stopped that move. Hence why we signed Bruno.

Why do people on here keep pretending to themselves he's happy and wants to stay? We all know he's not.

Also how often do we sign top midfielders in January window to partner who we already have?

I'm 99.9999% convinced Bruno was signed in the knowledge Pogba was probably going to leave. This might not be able to happen now due to unforseen circumstances.

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This

Not to mention the Grealish links which have now gone dead since Pogba now looks like he's staying

charlenefan said:

This

Not to mention the Grealish links which have now gone dead since Pogba now looks like he's staying

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His brother and agent could confess his undying love for Liverpool FC and people on here would still defend him. It really is mind boggling the mental gymnastics Pogba fans go through.

Even Stevie Wonder could see the writing was on the trees in January. No way did we spend 140m last summer and another 60m in January to just partner him. Pogba was leaving. Might not be able to now if Juve haven't got the cash due to Covid-19.

However I still think there's an outside chance he could still leave.

I wouldn't want to, but I would.

Unless he specifically states he wants to leave then no.

In an ideal world we keep Pogba and add Sancho which gives us so much more creativity in the team with a player who would benefit massively I feel from having Bruno and another quality outlet in Sancho.

Before Corona I thought Pogba was as good as gone but whether it’s his desire to stay or a lack of enthusiasm from Juventus/Real Madrid for a big money deal it seems there is a distinct possibility of keeping him and adding a player.

I think Sancho has the potential to have a longer impact than Pogba and comes with less baggage so from that perspective I’d say Sancho with the caveat that another midfielder must be signed too.

Nou_Camp99 said:

Im sorry but this is just a load of cobblers. In January it looked a certainty that Pogba would leave this summer and he still might. However I think Covid-19 has probably stopped that move. Hence why we signed Bruno.

Why do people on here keep pretending to themselves he's happy and wants to stay? We all know he's not.

Also how often do we sign top midfielders in January window to partner who we already have?

I'm 99.9999% convinced Bruno was signed in the knowledge Pogba was probably going to leave. This might not be able to happen now due to unforseen circumstances.

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You can call it whatever you like, the club has been linked with Bruno for some time, before whatever issues there might have been with Pogba. I never claimed Pogba was happy, just in the post you quoted I explain why players of his caliber couldn't be happy playing in a mediocre side for years. But if you see your coach and front office putting their foot forward and bringing genuine reinforcements that can immediately contribute, that's going to give your players a sense of direction and anticipation for the future. So while Pogba has probably not been happy thus far, I think with Fernandes and Sancho he'll be ecstatic to stay because he came to United specifically to help bring it back to its former glory. The money he earned, he would have gotten at any top club, his move was a passion project above anything else, and I'm not surprised the last three years might have beat that out of him but OGS is on the right track and the Sancho transfer is what could very well be the tipping point for the club.

And I don't agree that it was that kind of January window, Pogba was hurt and United badly needed depth when it comes to creative midfielder, no contending team can have just one creative midfielder to compete on all fronts and that's why Fernandes was brought in. Worst case scenario and Pogba leaves, you have a player that can be played but I'm nowhere near as convinced as you it was with the complete understanding Pogba was gone. If you look at a team like City, there's nothing out of the ordinary having those two midfielders for the long term instead of looking at getting one just to sell the other, which is a weak move that doesn't actually improve the team.

BenitoSTARR said:

In an ideal world we keep Pogba and add Sancho which gives us so much more creativity in the team with a player who would benefit massively I feel from having Bruno and another quality outlet in Sancho.

Before Corona I thought Pogba was as good as gone but whether it’s his desire to stay or a lack of enthusiasm from Juventus/Real Madrid for a big money deal it seems there is a distinct possibility of keeping him and adding a player.

I think Sancho has the potential to have a longer impact than Pogba and comes with less baggage so from that perspective I’d say Sancho with the caveat that another midfielder must be signed too.

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I think that was more the case. Right now in the post covid world I think clubs will be a lot more cautious in how they spend, they didn't pursue him with intent prior to covid, hard to see them doing it now. Also he's coming off an injury plagued season, his form for various reasons hasn't been consistent for us, and his agent has continually caused issues.He's not exactly at his prime value currently, we know he has the ability, and in the right format he would prosper, and with recent additions we seem to be finally going in the right direction. We either sell at reduced rate, reinvest money into targets we've scouted, or Pogba committs and we move forward.

In an instant.

UNITED ACADEMY said:

You are making it sounds like Sancho isn’t a creative player. If this type of deal does happen then we are not only have Bruno but also Sancho as our creative player who can create chances.

The main issue is that we will be left with only Matic, Scott & Fred in the double pivot option if we don’t replace Pogba.

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Bruno can play there. I'm not a fan of Pereira but he can play there too. Garner Is likely to start getting more games there in the near future as well.

Scholsey2004 said:

Bruno can play there. I'm not a fan of Pereira but he can play there too. Garner Is likely to start getting more games there in the near future as well.

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Bruno plays there can be a waste. The guy can score goals and make assist to win us a game, why playing him deep.

Pereira was that bad that Ole had to play Bruno in there instead of Pereira against Wolves. Garner isn't not ready yet, Garner's time will come when Matic's time is up.

Yes all day long. Would sell him anyway. Not committed to the cause. Get rid.

hobbers said:

I'd sell Pogba for any combination of Grealish, Sancho, Maddison or others. Just on their recent fitness records alone, even leaving aside ability or team balance, it would be a massive instant improvement for us.

Pogba has barely kicked a ball in the last 6 months. He wants to leave the club. He has the biggest scumbag of an agent in football.

Grealish and Bruno could easily replicate all of his attacking ouput, and then some, without the furore.

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Selling Pogba would Grealish and Maddison would be very very stupid.
They're nowhere near him despite being respectively just 2 and 3 years older.

On topic yes I'd sell him for Sancho

Not even a dilemma, Sancho would solve alot of problems for us, and since btuno came in, we can replace pogba with a proper Cdm.