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Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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Are you denying that his stature has grown now he us front runner for the Dems in a forthcoming election, on TV every day? Or are you denying that a victim might feel increased anxiety/pain/suffering by having this daily visual reminder?
Yes really.
For feck's sake he was VP for 8 fecking years under the first and only black POTUS in US history. He's not some Billy No-Name. He's been campaigning for more than 12 months now. He's done debates, Town Halls, whatever. There's been a few slurs made against him for his 'hands on' approach over the last couple of years. He's not been living under a rock.
Get a fecking grip.
So, just to be clear, if you’re not trying to dismiss the allegation. Exactly what IS your point in all this?
it's not a switch that clicks on or clicks off with this or that threshold, Kavanaugh was a prominent Judge before being nominated to the supreme court, Trump was on TV for decades before being nominated in 2016, Clinton was elected president before his victims came forward
and events that would be triggering at one point in your life may not be triggering at other points in your life, there's really no point in looking for any kind of consistent or convenient behaviour stemming from trauma
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You do realize how racist this comes across as, right? Besides the fact that you think associating yourself with a black man automatically absolves you of any wrongdoings. It isn’t hard to see why liberals don’t care about such issues but are obsessed with coming across as they do.
slursSo you're saying that Obama becoming president was not a big deal in 2008?? Who the hell said anything about being blameless just because you're associating with a black man? I was just highlighting the fact that Biden would have been well in the public eye as VP.
Is that what we are discussing here? Whether or not Obama getting elected was monumental or not?
I think you need to chill out, my dude. Victims come forth when they're ready, or when they feel that they can't stay silent about it anymore. When that time comes differs from person to person, and there's no point trying to use the timing of it as an argument for or against the accused or the accuser.
She has explained that during Biden's VP years, she was a single mom with a teenage daughter who she didn't want to put through, well, all of the shit that's happening now.
So on the one hand you ask:
Why has she come forward now?
which in the context of the current scrutiny, the blunt, pointed, one line nature of your question reads to me as an insinuation that her timing might be opportunistic, suspicious or unusual in some way.
And yet on the other you appear to cast doubt on the idea that now is a particularly prominent moment for Biden. In which case the question of why she has come forward now seems even more glaringly slow witted. What is so questionable about this moment then?
I gave you a number of possible and understandable reasons why 'now'. I can't understand why you are getting so het up about this. I have never claimed that these are the true reasons or that I understand another's motivation. I personally don't think there needs to be an explained reason for such an accusation to be taken seriously.
Just to clarify so that we're clear. I've never said anything about not taking Reade's allegations seriously. And if Biden is guilty of what she's saying, the truth will out, he'll suffer the consequences and serve him right. But just because a woman makes an accusation from over 25 years ago, it doesn't make it true though her claims must be viewed as credible until proven otherwise.
I'm not getting heated up about it. I'm not defending Biden at all or questioning the validity of her claims. People just love to jump on things like this whenever an objective viewpoint is made. Her timing may well be opportunistic, suspicious or whatever, I don't know, you don't know. It's not beyond the realms of impossibility. But yes, it's her absolute right to speak out at whatever time she feels it is right.
The Presidential debates will be very interesting considering Trump has over 20 claims of sexual assault made against him and this is Biden's first serious one, I believe
I guarantee that there is a load of people in the world that know who Trump is but have no clue who is his VP. Same applies for when Obama was president.
As with the Kavanaugh woman Im inclined to give the woman the benefit of the doubt.
I dont think it's weird to call both into a bit of question though, but only if you do it in all cases, not just the one were you plan to vote for the accused. Lord knows mankind is not morally above fabricating these kind of things.
That being said, Biden looks like a creepy fecker. As did Kavanaugh.
I dont think it's weird to call both into a bit of question though, but only if you do it in all cases, not just the one were you plan to vote for the accused. Lord knows mankind is not morally above fabricating these kind of things.
That being said, Biden looks like a creepy fecker. As did Kavanaugh.
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She and her child getting death threats. People doing that are scum.
I'm sure the threats are coming from the bad fascist guys and not the progressive young liberal people.
Who knows. Scum whoever they are.
The thing is, a very sizeable amount of responses from Biden’s supporters online always defaulted to Trump, which shows that they implicitly believe Reade.
And why wouldn’t they? Doesn’t take much of a leap of faith to think a guy who has been filmed invading personal space, touching and sniffing women/girls for decades would shove his finger up someone’s vag in the privacy of his office. He might not have done it, but his behaviours to date do not exactly inspire confidence, so that’s why his surrogates are more interested in discrediting Reade than having the accusation examined thoroughly.
And why wouldn’t they? Doesn’t take much of a leap of faith to think a guy who has been filmed invading personal space, touching and sniffing women/girls for decades would shove his finger up someone’s vag in the privacy of his office. He might not have done it, but his behaviours to date do not exactly inspire confidence, so that’s why his surrogates are more interested in discrediting Reade than having the accusation examined thoroughly.
We're not talking about Joe Public though. We're specifically referring to Tara Reade and her awareness of Biden.
Agreed, I asked the same question objectively when Kavanaugh's accuser came forward. I believe it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask.
It does make it more difficult to substantiate either version if its left for decades. I'm not disagreeing with you just pointing out one consequence, the other being a continuation of the behavior if the accusation is true.
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I suspect this will be the majority view in the Dem party.
This...does not compute.Lisa Bloom said:
The "lesser of two evils" mindset has been defended by a lot of people in this thread. This is just a byproduct of that mindset.
Edit: I mean the US election thread
Disgusting.
How fecked up does a country have to be to see two people as predators but then decides instead of trying to do something about that they decide to apologise and back one of the predators.
If it was just Biden then such pragmatism might be understandable but as this thing has demonstrated, like Trump he has a huge gang of enablers and you're voting for that viciousness too. This lot are fecking horrific and it's not a voters duty to distinguish Beelzebub from Moluch.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/04/secretary-senate-joe-biden-tara-reade-233915
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I think that this case and Kavanaugh case are very different, to be fair.
- Kavanaugh was a district judge. While pretty powerful, I bet that most people know his name before he was chosen to be a SCOTUS. I doubt that anyone in Caf knew anything about him before Trump nominated him. So, there is something to believe that Ford just couldn't take it anymore when he was chosen to be a SCOTUS and went with her accusation. While here, Biden was VP for 8 years. What changed since then?
- Ford's story was consistent and emotional. Reade's story does not check well (for example, her brother actually remembering only a few days later, then yes, she was sexually assaulted).
- Ford went into the senate under an oath and gave her testimony. Reade is doing it from Twitter.
- Biden has called for an open investigation about this.
Don't get me wrong, it might well be the case that Reade was sexually assaulted. But I don't see any parallels between this case and the Kavanaugh one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris...al_assault_allegation_against_Brett_Kavanaugh
it's practically impossible to find cases of sexual assault where sources of information are absolutely aligned, including that one, just be honest and admit you're defending joe biden because you want him to win, because it's blatant to everyone
Not really. I would have wanted him to win in either case * (even if it was proven that he raped her), though I find the case not very convincing, and definitely not analogous to that of Kavanaugh.
* If it is between him and Trump, obviously. If there is more evidence, then the right thing (IMO) would be for him to withdraw, and the second most voted Democrat (Bernie) to be the nominee.
Not sure how you can believe Ford and not believe Reade. Irrespective of your personal opinion you can’t be that dumb to not see the hypocrisy.
Ford and Reade are not the same person, neither their story is the same story. I don't see much analogy there except both claiming that they have been sexually assaulted.
Is it completely impossible for the US to come up with just one candidate for the presidency who isn't about to croak and who isn't a dodgy fecker? It's like with the Kavanaugh thing: Even if he's innocent why not just pick someone who hasn't got a lot of baggage? Surely such a person exists who's qualified as well.
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Trump still got elected after openly admitting to grabbing women by the punani, paying off a porn star to keep quiet and numerous sexual charges so I don't understand why people are getting worked up over Biden.
If the neighbour to the left of me shoots a bunch of kids, and the neighbour to the right of me shoots one, I’m not going to give Mr Williams a pass because Mr Davies has a higher kill count.
Especially when they are both applying to be the headmaster of a school full of kids.
Yeah, well America doesn't work like that. Remember, their president said that he could stand in 5th Avenue and shoot someone and his followers would still support him...and they probably would.
So yeah Mr. Williams does get a pass.
Oh, and they also don't have any issue with kids getting shot either.
But if you gave the guy who has shot up a bunch of kids a headmaster's position already, it would be very hard to justify not appointing the guy who has 'only' shot just the one kid.
How about we throw them both into jail for shooting kids, and get someone who hasn’t to be the headmaster?