Premier League relegation scrapped?

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No point of playing if relegation is scrapped. Assuming CL/EL qualification is still on then teams who play against the relegation candidates have huge advantage over those that don't.
 
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Any club that could be relegated, wants to scrap relegation - shocker!

I understand every club is out for themselves, but if the PL have to bend to these demands to play football then it’s clearly pointless.

playing the rest of the games under this proviso renders evert game meaningless and pointless.

what would be the point in playing these matches, and why would anyone want to watch.
 

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If the season isn't played no Relegation and no title.

If the season is played then a title is rewarded and there is Relegation.

That's how I think it should be.
 

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No point of playing if relegation is scrapped. Assuming CL/EL qualification is still on then teams who play against the relegation candidates have huge advantage over those that don't.
True it takes a big element out of the game, I still think it solves a lot in terms of the lower leagues though. It's looking very likely that they're going to get scrapped anyway because of the amount of procedures that need to be in place at the moment, the supplies not there yet for all the testing that need's doing. There are still payments and bonuses based on positions that will add as motivation for them, although it's still not enough to stop it being an advantage for the top teams.
 

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Any club that could be relegated, wants to scrap relegation - shocker!

I understand every club is out for themselves, but if the PL have to bend to these demands to play football then it’s clearly pointless.

playing the rest of the games under this proviso renders evert game meaningless and pointless.

what would be the point in playing these matches, and why would anyone want to watch.
Believe me they'll be watched, the world is football hungry right now
 

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Even the safer bottom half clubs will be mindful that whatever happens sets the precedent for next season, if there is a second wave and everything gets shut down again.
 

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Honestly do not see the point of having this season restarted if there is going to be no relegation. A lot of the games will be completely pointless.
 
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Believe me they'll be watched, the world is football hungry right now
people might watch City vs Liverpool, but this would render most games pointless.

I can’t remember what fixtures we have left, but wouldnt bother to watch Utd vs Norwich or Villa now - matches that have nothing riding on them for one or both teams are of zero interest to me.

it’s akin to watching pre-season friendlies. Obviously some people watch these matches, and I would have done 25 years ago - but not now.
 

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Honestly do not see the point of having this season restarted if there is going to be no relegation. A lot of the games will be completely pointless.
TV revenue is too big for that to happen, those games have to be played.
 

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You cannot just scrap relegation. It's preposterous. You either void it all, stop now and decide via PPG or play the games out and finish the season.
 

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TV revenue is too big for that to happen, those games have to be played.
The rumours are that BT and Sky have both told the premier league that they don't want refunding for unplayed games as it'd cripple clubs, but they expect that they money 'owed' will be used in the next round of bids. Which, if true, means that BT and Sky are a shoo-in at a cut price
 

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people might watch City vs Liverpool, but this would render most games pointless.

I can’t remember what fixtures we have left, but wouldnt bother to watch Utd vs Norwich or Villa now - matches that have nothing riding on them for one or both teams are of zero interest to me.

it’s akin to watching pre-season friendlies. Obviously some people watch these matches, and I would have done 25 years ago - but not now.
They're not entirely pointless and people are mostly at home and haven't watched football in 2 months. OK some games will be less watched than others but that was always the case. People also watch pre-season and they have less signicance.
 

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Liverpool fans would swarm this place on why football must continue

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Scaremongering, virus is not deadly to young people
 

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The rumours are that BT and Sky have both told the premier league that they don't want refunding for unplayed games as it'd cripple clubs, but they expect that they money 'owed' will be used in the next round of bids. Which, if true, means that BT and Sky are a shoo-in at a cut price
I'd imagine that'd be the case for the lower leagues but surely not the Premier League, it'd be way too big of a loss for BT and Sky.
 

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If there’s no relegation then that should void all the other placed positions like title/European spaces. You can’t essentially void half the table and have the other half operate as usual.

I get it’s a difficult position and teams won’t want to play at neutral venues with the variation of games/teams to play.

There’s just no right answer to the whole scenario and I’m glad I’m not the one who’ll ultimately have to pull the trigger. Whatever is decided will be hated.
 

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Totally understand if they abandon the season there should be no relegations but if football is played and the season finished then why on earth would they scrap relegation? Every single discussion around the Premier League restarting is so fixated on money it’s sickening.
 

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I'd imagine that'd be the case for the lower leagues but surely not the Premier League, it'd be way too big of a loss for BT and Sky.
But if the alternative is some clubs going out of business, they'd rather have credit towards the next rights package than have paid top price for a ripped apart ~15 team league next season.
 

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Why can't you?

It's force majeur, norwich got lucky, liverpool got unlucky, shit happens.
Because it's completely changing the rules and makes the whole competition a complete joke.

Imagine playing Norwich away if they needed a win to stay up vs playing Norwich at a neutral ground when they can lose every game 11-0 and still be in the PL next season.

It's a complete non starter.
 

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With no relegation what incentive do any clubs (excluding Liverpool for 2 games) have to play their first 11?
 

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Surely we should have relegation. If not what is the point of it? Always a great battle near the bottom. Even if the league gets decleared null and void we should still have relegation in my opinion.
 

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With no relegation what incentive do any clubs (excluding Liverpool for 2 games) have to play their first 11?
What is the point of playing games?

Teams will take it as friendlies, so it won't be competitive football with nothing to play for.

They might be doing it for TV rights but who will renew their subscription to watch dead rubber games?

Surely, doing all of this for 0 gain and sacrificing so much is a total waste of time.
 

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Totally understand if they abandon the season there should be no relegations but if football is played and the season finished then why on earth would they scrap relegation? Every single discussion around the Premier League restarting is so fixated on money it’s sickening.
Because the whole affair has lost its competitive integrity (especially when factoring in home advantage) and restarting the league is mostly about minimizing financial losses.
 

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Honestly do not see the point of having this season restarted if there is going to be no relegation. A lot of the games will be completely pointless.
With the high likelihood of no European football next season, they will be forcing a restart and all the risks that come with that to satisfy the scousers. feck that.

Call it quits, give Liverpool a special commemoration award and start the next season when it's absolutely safe.
 

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Because it's completely changing the rules and makes the whole competition a complete joke.

Imagine playing Norwich away if they needed a win to stay up vs playing Norwich at a neutral ground when they can lose every game 11-0 and still be in the PL next season.

It's a complete non starter.
Which part of Force Majeure is a joke about this?

This is extraordinary circumstances, voiding = logical and sane thing to do, continuing to play with a mock up and rubbish rule are even more of a joke.

EDIT speaking of joke, billions of people lost financially, hundreds of thousands lost their lives, nations lost their wealth etc, and here we are discussing why it's not fair for norwich FC
 
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They're not entirely pointless and people are mostly at home and haven't watched football in 2 months. OK some games will be less watched than others but that was always the case. People also watch pre-season and they have less signicance.
I even said some people will watch, as some people watch pre-season games.

you want to watch these games, great well done. But just by the fact, so many people on this thread have already voiced their disdain for matches that have nothing riding on them shows that interest will be less than usual.

I want to watch football, but this isint football as we know it. Will be terrible.
 

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Which part of Force Majeure is a joke about this?

This is extraordinary circumstances, voiding = logical and sane thing to do, continuing to play with a mock up and rubbish rule are even more of a joke.

EDIT speaking of joke, billions of people lost financially, hundreds of thousands lost their lives, nations lost their wealth etc, and here we are discussing why it's not fair for norwich FC
Oh, I agree. Absolutely.

Football is completely irrelevant at this time, so voiding is by far the most logical step.

If they insist on playing though, citing 'sporting integrity' or some other nonsense, then you can't withdraw relegation
 

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The sentiment of Liverpool winning a title must hold serious sway for this to be considered. Reopening to play shit meaningless games at neutral venues with no crowds, for what? None of the games would mean a thing
 

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You can't not relegate teams. Out of the remaining 92 games, about 1/4 of them would be meaningful, which would be the top 6-8 playing each other. The others would involve teams both playing for nothing, or one side chasing a top4 spot absolutely mullering a team that is on the beach already.
If the vote for continuing at neutral venues will only pass if relegation is off the table, then we'll have to call it a day.
 

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You can't not relegate teams. Out of the remaining 92 games, about 1/4 of them would be meaningful, which would be the top 6-8 playing each other. The others would involve teams both playing for nothing, or one side chasing a top4 spot absolutely mullering a team that is on the beach already.
If the vote for continuing at neutral venues will only pass if relegation is off the table, then we'll have to call it a day.
I hope they're social distancing.
 
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You can't not relegate teams. Out of the remaining 92 games, about 1/4 of them would be meaningful, which would be the top 6-8 playing each other. The others would involve teams both playing for nothing, or one side chasing a top4 spot absolutely mullering a team that is on the beach already.
If the vote for continuing at neutral venues will only pass if relegation is off the table, then we'll have to call it a day.
it would be an utter joke. I don’t know anyone who would watch these matches. Utter waste of time.

we all know there is a risk when playing football in these circumstances (however small it may be) - to play games with that risk that were shamefully pointless would be detrimental to everyone involved.
 

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Yes indeed, can't have league positions if no home and away for the rest of the season. Need to accept the season as it was is over if can't use own grounds to finish the rest of the games. Would be totally unfair on some teams and a farce, I think enough of them agree with that to vote it down..?

Per other thread, the obvious solution is to play a separate tournament with the 10 neutral grounds to decide the top 6. Hopefully the clubs and TV will also see that...!
 

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it would be an utter joke. I don’t know anyone who would watch these matches. Utter waste of time.

we all know there is a risk when playing football in these circumstances (however small it may be) - to play games with that risk that were shamefully pointless would be detrimental to everyone involved.
Just looking at the league table now and there are a definite 6 clubs that will refuse to continue at neutral venues unless relegation is scrapped. Only needs one more of Southampton, Newcastle, Everton to agree and that will be that. Wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea weren't keen on continuing either. They were in CL this year, in CL spots at the moment and can only lose from here. I doubt they'd want the risk of dropping out of top4 for the chance of finishing 3rd rather than 4th.
Seems very likely there won't be enough clubs agreeing for anything to continue.
 

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The FA are a shambles, spineless, and indecisive

Any head of football would just hold a meeting, ask for representatives to chip in their opinion, goes into closed door with select few, make a verdict and that's that. Like what the Dutch/France football is doing, instead of pandering on to the clubs on how / what / when / where, it's stupidity.

They should have it in their contract clauses that covers their arse for situation like this (war, disaster, etc).
They should be strong enough as the sole supplier of EPL to tell the TV guy what to do, benevolent enough to compensate for the unplayed match yet stern enough to tell them to agree to their decision.
Clubs should accept whatever decision, they don't have a choice, and should be exempted from future competition if they try to walkout.

You can't please anybody anyway, besides this is the "saving lives times" it's not about pleasantry. Any decision would be unpleasant.

*regarding Liverpool, just give them their asterisk title. It's not about them, it's literally about saving lives. You can't describe the shit horror show if this Project Restart bullshit fails and spreads corona to players, it'll be an event bigger catastrophe in the long run.