Odion Ighalo: Manchester United player on loan until the end of the season

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Odion Ighalo | Representative dismisses exit talk – ‘Close to wage agreement’ to stay at Manchester United.
I posted an article in newbies about the situation over there a few days ago. Clubs over there have been asked to create sustainable growth, that means getting people off the books. 11 club folded, 5 more in trouble.

United might get a very good deal.
 

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Where are you getting this 20m or 300k/week figure from? Nobody is suggesting we break the bank for him but he has been a very effective stop gap who will not be as easy to replace as you think.
I think limerickcitykid is replying to my post where I stated that I would buy him for £20 million (I've seen some reports that that is the fee Shanghai are asking, all unconfirmed of course). My argument was that Ighalo is already here, has fitted well into the squad, and the team, loves the club, therefore would give everything to the team, would probably sit on the bench for some games, can score goals, and with the summer window possibly being shortened, we wouldn't have to go hunting for a new striker as Sancho appears to be our number one target, and we are unsure where Pogba will be playing next season, so may have to replace him. The reason for a two year contract is that Greenwood should be getting a lot more games by then, so Ighalo chances would be reduced. Obviously Limerickcitykid and I disagree on how good Ighalo is, but I wonder who and where we would get one of these 'better, cheaper' alternatives. Ighalo takes up positions that Rashford, Martial and Greenwood don't, therefore he gives us a different point of attack. Admitted he has only scored against so called 'lesser ' teams, but he has shown up well against both Everton and City. I await the outcome as Ole apparently wants to keep him, but not sure if that's until the end of season, or permanently.
 
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I’d spend £20m on Ighalo, as long as his wages were on par with his role.

the argument that he’s only scored against crap teams, is:

a. - unfair, you can only score against who you are playing against and,

b. Hypercritical given Lukuku couldn’t hit a barn door against any half decent team. 1 goal in 23 appearances against the top 6 sides in 2 years, and he was a £75m striker on a bloody massive wage.

every player any team buys is a risk, and success is probably only 50/50 - so £10m’s are wasted on players who don’t work out - here we have a player who has been with the club a number of months now, has clearly integrated well and performed on the pitch.

it’s a gamble to throw that away and risk the next player not working.
 

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Would be a bit crazy to sign him on a permanent deal after four games. After the season wraps up is a different story, of course.
True, I don't think anything will happen until the end of the season anyway, I think Ole is initially just trying to get him for the remainder of our season. If he does well, then we may look at a permanent deal, but lots of things could happen between now and then. If Shanghai want him back, and will only entertain him staying here for a fee, then the club will have to make that decision. I personally would love to see him here for a couple of years, as I've been surprised by how good he looks in the few times he has played.
 

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And what if our whole squad gets struck down by coronavirus, then what? It's stupid to plan a squad that deep, it's a waste of money and resources - especially for the type of money he's reportedly earning.

If it turns out we can't rely on Rashford's fitness anymore, we'll need a permanent solution to the problem rather than a stop-gap like Ighalo anyway.
Did you think it stupid when we had yorke cole ole and teddy?
 

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Oh I’d love it if he stayed. It’s nice having squad players like James and Ighalo who will give their all and who you can really get behind.
 

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I'd be stoked for Ighalo to stay. I know very well we can probably find as good options with a bit less years on this planet, but his insane pride at just playing for the club is incredibly endearing.
 

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I am sure Ighalo wont be on an astronomical wages if we do sign him. A lot of players that leave China for European clubs know they will be taking an wage cut. Witsel and Carrasco recently returned to teams that dont pay high wages.
 

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Honestly, Ighalo has made me want us to only ever sign Utd fans going forward. I think the club are targeting players who already hold the club in specific/personal esteem.

Mad to think that something so simple but obvious had been overlooked for so long.
 

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It sounds like Shenhua want United to pay a bigger chunk of Ighalo's weekly wages while China's league start is delayed. Sure hope that's the case because extending the loan is better for Ighala and both clubs. I'd rather spend any transfer fee for a new striker on Edouard.
 

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Ole's comments sounds like we are trying to extend the loan to the end of the season rather than sign him on permanent
 

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And what if our whole squad gets struck down by coronavirus, then what? It's stupid to plan a squad that deep, it's a waste of money and resources - especially for the type of money he's reportedly earning.

If it turns out we can't rely on Rashford's fitness anymore, we'll need a permanent solution to the problem rather than a stop-gap like Ighalo anyway.
The only way your approach would work is if we had an unlimited budget. We have priorities elsewhere ie RW.

We will need another striker but considering that we may blow our wad on Sancho, the best we can hope for this summer is a stop-gap measure for that position.
 

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It sounds like Shenhua want United to pay a bigger chunk of Ighalo's weekly wages while China's league start is delayed. Sure hope that's the case because extending the loan is better for Ighala and both clubs. I'd rather spend any transfer fee for a new striker on Edouard.
I can see why United is dragging its feet a bit -- we don't know what the remainder of the season looks like to start with. Do we even need Igalo for the next few weeks?
 

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I can see why United is dragging its feet a bit -- we don't know what the remainder of the season looks like to start with. Do we even need Igalo for the next few weeks?
After Martial, there is Rashford coming off a back injury and Greenwood with virtually no experience in the EPL at the position. Ighalo is probably needed more now than he was on the day he joined the club. That's why Shenhua holds all the cards in negotiations to extend Ighalo, imo.
 

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After Martial, there is Rashford coming off a back injury and Greenwood with virtually no experience in the EPL at the position. Ighalo is probably needed more now than he was on the day he joined the club. That's why Shenhua holds all the cards in negotiations to extend Ighalo, imo.
Also the games are going to be compressed into a short period of time. We are definitely going to need him for relief.
 

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After Martial, there is Rashford coming off a back injury and Greenwood with virtually no experience in the EPL at the position. Ighalo is probably needed more now than he was on the day he joined the club. That's why Shenhua holds all the cards in negotiations to extend Ighalo, imo.
How do they hold all the cards. At the end of the day he goes back and banks 12 million per year in wages. The can’t sustain that. So I’d say United are in a very strong position.
 

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Whatever the case, it doesn't sound like we are looking to sign him permanently.
Probably because there is still a lot of uncertainty about how much the market will be affected. Also, the 20m was pre-covid price that was rumoured, one that keeps being repeated as gospel. I doubt that we will pay that for him in this market. I don't think the journos have a clue what players will be moving for now, yet there are still a lot of rumours that have ridiculous prices thrown around, as if nothing has changed.

I mean, there was a rumour that Ben Yedder was an option, but somehow the journo wanted us to believe that we will pay more than what Monaco paid for him last year.
 

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After Martial, there is Rashford coming off a back injury and Greenwood with virtually no experience in the EPL at the position. Ighalo is probably needed more now than he was on the day he joined the club. That's why Shenhua holds all the cards in negotiations to extend Ighalo, imo.
Not really, seems like the country is closed and the international players can't enter the country. The situation is not good for them at all. It would be better for them to offload him than keep him, as if the situation continues, they will have to keep paying him while he can't even play for their club.
 

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Ighalo is probably needed more now than he was on the day he joined the club.
Umm....This is the stupidest thing I've read in this forum. Rashford was injured then and set to be out for 4 months or so. Now he is back playing with a ball and apparently Ighalo's needed even more now.

I agree that Ighalo is needed but in January it was crucial, as we needed to cover Rashford being injured. Now, as Rashford's back fit, its far from crucial, however it would really help us and improve our rotation so it would still very much be a wise move to extend the loan till the end of this season. Yes players can get injured, but that would have to actually happen first, and in the case of Rashford he has generally been excellent in terms of his injury record (touch wood).
 

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We also need to be sensible and realise that at least 20mill (these are heavily reported fees, they'd laugh at 15mill) for someone to act backup and at the age he is might not be the best business to do right now. We are in a strong financial position compared to other clubs - but we cant deny this will also effect how the club will do their dealings.

That is what most are getting at here. The market will be taking a drastic hit - no need to rush into a signing here at all. As the weeks go on, clubs will be hit harder and harder, where we can try take advantage.

I'd like to keep Igahlo - good energy about him and he clearly loves being here and enjoying every moment - but the terms have to be right in this climate 20+mill non-starter, with no guarantee of what type of football is coming back and when, is currently not.
I agree that the price is too high here and the market as it is right now, it is too much to pay for a 30 yr old backup. I get that.

The thing I dont get is people saying any mid table striker will be cheaper and do the same job, which is what I do not get.

Signing a backup of any quality is difficult. What player would want to come sit on the bench, yet have the required quality? there isn't that many.
 

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Umm....This is the stupidest thing I've read in this forum. Rashford was injured then and set to be out for 4 months or so. Now he is back playing with a ball and apparently Ighalo's needed even more now.

I agree that Ighalo is needed but in January it was crucial, as we needed to cover Rashford being injured. Now, as Rashford's back fit, its far from crucial, however it would really help us and improve our rotation so it would still very much be a wise move to extend the loan till the end of this season. Yes players can get injured, but that would have to actually happen first, and in the case of Rashford he has generally been excellent in terms of his injury record (touch wood).
Eh? You must be new to the rodeo. I can see where he is coming from. Assuming that we have to finish the league season plus the cups, that means three matches a week. He will equally need IMO as in Jan but under different circumstances.
 

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Rashford is returning from a back injury and therefore must not be rushed, at all costs. Getting this wrong could be disastrous for his whole career.

For that reason if we can't extend Ighalo's loan then we'd better have someone else ready to play plenty of minutes on the left. Possibly Martial, with Greenwood getting a proper run-out up front.
 

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Eh? You must be new to the rodeo. I can see where he is coming from. Assuming that we have to finish the league season plus the cups, that means three matches a week. He will equally need IMO as in Jan but under different circumstances.
Mate, we aren't going to be playing 3 games a week. It'll be 2 games a week. 1 on the weekend and 1 midweek.

The whole point is that Rashford was injured then and hence we were short on numbers up front, but now he is fit again.
 

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Seems like it'll be extended if the thing about nobody being able to enter China until October is true. I don't see why Shanghai Shenhua would be opposed to it if its impossible for Ighalo to play for them until then.

I think United will get it done, however I'd be surprised if we signed Ighalo permanently after this season's conclusion.
 

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Probably because there is still a lot of uncertainty about how much the market will be affected. Also, the 20m was pre-covid price that was rumoured, one that keeps being repeated as gospel. I doubt that we will pay that for him in this market. I don't think the journos have a clue what players will be moving for now, yet there are still a lot of rumours that have ridiculous prices thrown around, as if nothing has changed.

I mean, there was a rumour that Ben Yedder was an option, but somehow the journo wanted us to believe that we will pay more than what Monaco paid for him last year.
Pre COVID price was 15m. 20m is the current value they`ve put now which is more ridiculous cause he is now worth half the price in this market. It wouldn`t be a shock if his parent club valued him that highly since he is their best player and are keen to tie him to a new deal, he won`t be "cheap" as per his value which is why a permanent deal shouldn`t be pursued for anything close to 20m.
Only Mbappe had more league goals than Ben Yedder he is a much better ST than Ighalo and worth paying a higher fee for.
 

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Pre COVID price was 15m. 20m is the current value they`ve put now which is more ridiculous cause he is now worth half the price in this market. It wouldn`t be a shock if his parent club valued him that highly since he is their best player and are keen to tie him to a new deal, he won`t be "cheap" as per his value which is why a permanent deal shouldn`t be pursued for anything close to 20m.
Only Mbappe had more league goals than Ben Yedder he is a much better ST than Ighalo and worth paying a higher fee for.
The new deal thing is non-sense, as the new restrictions that have been introduced in China make it impossible to give such huge contracts now.

As for Ben Yedder, I have no problem with him as a player, but no way should we pay more than 15m for him in the current market.
 

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Zero reason not to get this done with the Chinese league off until the fall, been an absolute joy to have in the squad since joining

Would be sick to my stomach if the last time we saw him suit up for us was that Europa match over 2 months ago
 

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I get the impression United are not that bothered if he stays or goes. If he does stay it’s down to Ighalo and him alone.
 

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Zero reason not to get this done with the Chinese league off until the fall, been an absolute joy to have in the squad since joining

Would be sick to my stomach if the last time we saw him suit up for us was that Europa match over 2 months ago
Is it really that deep
 

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Is it really that deep
Is anything football related ever really that deep?

Outside of the countries where they might kill over matches and allegiances, of course not :lol:

Excuse the hyperbole but I've just really enjoyed seeing a fan basically getting to live out his dream of playing for the club and would like to see him get the chance to finish the season out at least. Doesn't hurt that he's an upstanding person by all accounts.

Been encouraged by the amount of times the clubs sm accounts have been posting about him since training started again so extending his loan is starting to feel like a formality
 

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Foreign players are not allowed to return to China (even when league starting soon) until Oct so there is really no hurry, as long as Ighalo is willing to stay. Original price tag was 18m, then Shenhua asked for 20m, I am sure we can get a compromise as the gap is not big, most important is whether Ighalo is willing to lower his wage to more EPL level, which I think he does.
 

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I like Igahlo but unless we are having a top class summer in other positions just extending him till the summer would have been better.

Important to remember we need to be closing the gap on City and Liverpool which will be very hard if with them most likely adding Werner.

We need a big summer. Talking keeping Pogba and getting Sancho.