If it wasn't for the sources talking this one up I wouldn't really buy into it much, but now I want to believe and do because they're not the usual bullshit chatters. Think it's on.
Donny van de Beek | van de Beek's father: "[Moving to United] a dream come true."
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I have always said, if we plan on playing Bruno and Pogba together, we need another midfielder. A tactically astute player with legs and an engine.
If this story is i deed true, I don't see how Grealish fits into all this. You said the guy the wrote the mirror story is reliable...cause I don't see Pogba going anywhere.
I’d forgotten Herrera played for us.
I am struggling to figure out some of these stories. If... and that is a big *IF*... we keep Pogba that means our best three CMs would auto include Bruno and Pogba when healthy.
So clearly the offensive side is covered. Now we need Fred, McT, or Matic to play the DCM. Now I have no issue if we want to bring this kid in, but we are also talking lots about Grealish, Jude, and some others, plus Mata, Lingard, Pereiera, and Gomes who are already on our books. Who goes? Honestly we have too much average talent CMs. Very similar to our CB situation. We need to move quite a few off our books even if we do not add any new players. Just my two cents.
So clearly the offensive side is covered. Now we need Fred, McT, or Matic to play the DCM. Now I have no issue if we want to bring this kid in, but we are also talking lots about Grealish, Jude, and some others, plus Mata, Lingard, Pereiera, and Gomes who are already on our books. Who goes? Honestly we have too much average talent CMs. Very similar to our CB situation. We need to move quite a few off our books even if we do not add any new players. Just my two cents.
He would be a rubbish signing. Vd Beek is a passenger on a creative Ajax side. Take away types like Ziyech, Tadic and Neres and Vd Beek disappears. He would do feck all for United. He's the type of 10, Siem de Jong and Klaassen were before him. Scores a goal and penetrates in to the final 3rd a lot, but beyond that has no real specialty.
We obviously wouldn't be buying him for a creative influence though? We've got Pogba, Bruno, Rashford and hopefully Sancho.
Interesting quote from Van de Sar one month ago
"Of course, the 150 million-200 million euros transfers are gone. But I think there is still a lot of value for players who come from Ajax. Well educated, experienced in winning and playing European football."
“Last year, we made verbal agreements with Onana, Tagliafico, Van de Beek to stay another season and then we look to help each other and find the next step in their careers. Nothing has changed.
Interesting that Van de Beek has agreement with club to go this summer.
Dutch season is over and so they probably want to sell players that are going to prioritise players coming in.
I think if United go near their asking price then he is ours.
Also have more confidence the club and Ole are going for the right type of player.
He looks like he could play in a few positions, can tackle, could have Bruno type heart and spirit, and can score.
"Of course, the 150 million-200 million euros transfers are gone. But I think there is still a lot of value for players who come from Ajax. Well educated, experienced in winning and playing European football."
“Last year, we made verbal agreements with Onana, Tagliafico, Van de Beek to stay another season and then we look to help each other and find the next step in their careers. Nothing has changed.
Interesting that Van de Beek has agreement with club to go this summer.
Dutch season is over and so they probably want to sell players that are going to prioritise players coming in.
I think if United go near their asking price then he is ours.
Also have more confidence the club and Ole are going for the right type of player.
He looks like he could play in a few positions, can tackle, could have Bruno type heart and spirit, and can score.
Yes - Ole was saying McT will be given more chances to impress due to the departure of Herrera, and it's clear to everyone that he has succeeded therefore he is Herrera's replacement
So, the most important question is what we're going to call this kid. "Donny van de Beek" is too long and getting the capitalisation right is too complicated.
I vote for DVDB. It sounds like a Pornhub genre and that's good.
I vote for DVDB. It sounds like a Pornhub genre and that's good.
What about Donny or just VDB
I think that’s the real worry here, isn’t it? His best assets aren’t truly discernible in the way De Jong’s or Ziyech’s were, so it’s difficult to truly ascertain his level.
On the one hand he’s either a robotic tactically gifted player who just understands football and positioning innately in the Thomas Müller mould; or alternatively he’s simply another Davy Klaasen who is adorned by fantastic infrastructure and free flowing system Ajax have in place. One would be excused for thinking the latter, no?
Calling players by their first names is suspect as the best of times and this dude has a dumb first name. VDB is too close to VDS.
de Beek
Yeah agree however DVDB is a mouthful when it’s spoken in conversation, usually the names you can say easily stick.
"Beeky" it is then.
The Don.
He is a huge Don Hutchison fan from what I hear.
DVDB doesn't strike me as having the quality to excel in the deepest parts of the midfield, he seems to be more in the Lampard mould of having excellent positioning in attacking areas picking up spots in between the backline and midfield. For this reason I don't see how he's adequate to replace Pogba if we are looking at what Paul offers our team.
If this is the case wouldn't it be more astute to allow Bruno to fall back into the 8 position and give DVDB the 10 role.
If this is the case wouldn't it be more astute to allow Bruno to fall back into the 8 position and give DVDB the 10 role.
Doesn't he already have a deal with Madrid?
Apparently due to covid 19 la Liga is in a very bad way
I don't mind his signing and who would. Quality players are always welcome addition to a squad. But i don't want this signing to be the only one this summer and if this means no Sancho then i will be disappointed. However if it is VDB plus Sancho then i am all up for it.
Better than your squad options like Lingard plus players from Erediviese (or Ligue 1) should cost less this summer than previous years so should be a good signing for you.
No objections to this. We need to be in a position where our bench ends up full of players that are good enough to be starting, this moves us towards that unless we lose Pogba.
I know he can play AM but can he play just as good in a pivot behind the AM? If he can then the signing makes more sense. I think he should be replacing Lingard and Pereira as back up to Bruno and we should be done with those players. Asides from that Pogba's future is pretty Bleek not only Pogba but Matic and Mata wouldn't be here for much longer so we need to start making future investments in the midfield
I find it funny how we keep hammering for a DM yet keep getting linked to AMs by reliable sources.
How good is he as a CDM?
If we sell Lingard and Pereria do we have enough room in the midfield for VDB, Grealish and Bellingham? We've been heavily linked to them all in the last month. Reports are that Pogba is now staying but I'd swear he's off with the amount of CM's we're apparently currently in negotiations with, all very reliable sources as well.
According to reliable Madrid sources, they have abandoned all signings until fans are allowed back in the grounds.
With Ajax needing the money it really looks as if we are taking advantage ala Chelsea. Its a very narrow market so there might not be much choice for these players if they are told they have to move.
I call BS on this one.
He'd be a decent siging but we have more pressing concerns.
He'd be a decent siging but we have more pressing concerns.
If all those stories were reliable (absolutely massive if) then you would imagine we were pursuing them with an eye to only completing some. Typically we'd have a few targets in mind for a given position we'd like to strengthen and there's little point in having those secondary options if you haven't done at least some ground work to ensure they're a potentially viable signing.
Madrid are in the fortunate position of being able to sign nobody and still competing for the league title. CL might be a step too far but not the end of the world when you have 13 of them.
PL is just too competitive to not make moves which is why all our clubs will probably do some type of business even if its not as much as usual. Chelsea being the exception due to their transfer ban being over and having the Hazard n Morata cash.
PL is just too competitive to not make moves which is why all our clubs will probably do some type of business even if its not as much as usual. Chelsea being the exception due to their transfer ban being over and having the Hazard n Morata cash.
Madrid hardly ever win the league, their fans are used to it as long as they pick up a CL every couple of seasons.
I didn't say winning it. I said competing for it. And no club has won more Spanish titles than they have either so I think they are doing fine on that front as well.
The point is Madrid don't need to dip in the market to remain in the top 2.
Would be a good Lingard/Pereira replacement if we can ship them off
A CM/10 signing only makes sense if we've agreed to let Pogba go this summer.
Or the next
I can just sense something may have been agreed with Pogba's departure as it appears to have gone rather quiet, and we have had some strong links for both B2B and AM (Grealish) this week
Anybody have any quotes or insight from Ole or the coaching staff on our style of play or what's expected from the positions, reason I'm asking is I don't think Ole particularly wants a player that specialises as a defensive midfield, I'm guessing he wants the pivots to be fluid in both defensive duties as well as the transition from defence to attack.
If I'm right I think a player like Van de Beek is a perfect fit as he's a brilliant all rounder abit similar to Bruno who has great ball recycling skills as well as attacking skills.
Personally think Pogba ahead of Bruno and Van de Beek would be an interesting midfield with abit of everything. Or if we wanted to be tighter/more physical than add in Mctominay
If I'm right I think a player like Van de Beek is a perfect fit as he's a brilliant all rounder abit similar to Bruno who has great ball recycling skills as well as attacking skills.
Personally think Pogba ahead of Bruno and Van de Beek would be an interesting midfield with abit of everything. Or if we wanted to be tighter/more physical than add in Mctominay
I think its most likely the case. It went quiet after the public spat with Raiola in Feb. Otherwise we're 18 months away from him being able to agree a deal for Pogba to leave for nothing with a massive pay off for himself.
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