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Never denied it, I've been racially abused as a black man in Europe (nasty stuff in France tbh) but I never use as a way to say my pain is above others. It's a fecked up way of looking at things IMHO. Fighting against discrimination and injustice concerns everyone, victims of it and others. The PL is just using this as a PR move, that's all it is to them.
Do you see me saying it's right? I constantly see arguments between black Americans and other black people about blackness and similar. That does not mean that I discount their experience or not stand with them against oppression. It's up to the BLM in other locations to switch it up to fit their own problems as black people. It's not a one size fits all situation.

Anyone who says that is being ignorant/disingenuous. It's a movement with the central message being anti-racism and better policing at its core. That's why it resonates with people. That's simply what it is with other stuff added in based on the person/group.
 

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This is very true - I have worked with inmates in a county jail system, and nearly every complaint by an inmate re racism was from a black inmate, while the accused officers would range from white to Hispanic to Asian. From what I have researched, even amongst other minorities in America, black Americans are uniquely disadvantaged (being fair, Native Americans have had comparable historic violence done to them as well). That disadvantage is well captured by the stunning fact that a college educated black woman has a higher risk of maternal or infant mortality than a white woman without a degree. No other racial group is quite so disparately impacted (again, except perhaps Native Americans).

This is certainly not to say that discrimination and racism isn't a problem for other groups of people, but just to highlight that there are distinct historical and current aspects of the black American experience of racism that explain why a movement specifically dealing with those issues has gained such prominence.
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Do you see me saying it's right? I constantly see arguments between black Americans and other black people about blackness and similar. That does not mean that I discount their experience or not stand with them against oppression. It's up to the BLM in other locations to switch it up to fit their own problems as black people. It's not a one size fits all situation.

Anyone who says that is being ignorant/disingenuous. It's a movement with the central message being anti-racism and better policing at its core. That's why it resonates with people. That's simply what it is with other stuff added in based on the person/group.
What I'm simply saying is that a lot of the supporters of this movement don't give much feck about other races being discriminated (in the US, let's forget about the rest of the world for a sec). That's what I find ironic for lack of better word. The core message is right and I agree with it, many of them just need to be more open minded and inclusive is all.
 

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What I'm simply saying is that a lot of the supporters of this movement don't give much feck about other races being discriminated (in the US, let's forget about the rest of the world for a sec). That's what I find ironic for lack of better word. The core message is right and I agree with it, many of them just need to be more open minded and inclusive is all.
How can you say a lot of the supporters don't care? The majority of what I've seen is BLM asking for support from other races.

Additionally, movements like BLM and similar have held protests for people of other races unjustly slain by police. Don't use a loud minority to cast aspersions on the majority.
 

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How can you say a lot of the supporters don't care? The majority of what I've seen is BLM asking for support from other races.

Additionally, movements like BLM and similar have held protests for people of other races unjustly slain by police. Don't use a loud minority to cast aspersions on the majority.
I can because they told me (via social networks convos)and I can because many of my family members who live in America have told me more or less the same.
 

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I just wanted to say that I agree with the previous posters.

I just want to point out something from an American perspective and what has gone on over here in the USA. I can't say to know anything about the culture and racism that goes on in the UK or the rest of Europe. I dare not speak about it, because I have not lived there and experienced it first hand.

I support ALL Lives. I do not care if you are Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, etc. ALL LIVES MATTER. Unfortunately the BLM is a political group that truly doesn't care about Black Lives. Their only goal is to create divisiveness and push their left leaning philosophies. What you may not know is that all donations to BLM are funneled through ActBlue a left wing group that basically uses the money to give to Politicians. The money for the most part doesn't go to help black communities. Some does of course, but 100% should go to these communities, not politicians.

I disagree with the political arm of BLM, because they don't care about black on black murders. I think some 20,000 black people have been murdered by other black people int he past 4 years. Every weekend in the cities of Chicago and Baltimore, you will see 3 or 4 more black people murdered. BLM doesn't care about these people, because it doesn't fit their narrative that the USA is a systematically racist Country. This is total BS. If they truly cared about "All Black Lives" then they would be speaking out against this black on black violence!!!!!!! Secondly, the USA may have some racists, but it is not systematically racist. What you don't know is the left constantly likes to push this narrative that the USA is racist because White people make more money than Blacks or Hispanics. Anyone feel like a group is missing from this survey? Bueller? Bueller? Yes-- Asians.

It is a dirty little secret that the left tries to hide, which is that Asians--- Chinese American, Japanese American, Indian American are the most successful groups in the Nation. This blows up the entire narrative that the US is rigged in favor of whites. The funny thing is that because Asians have done so well- many people like to refer them as white. /facepalm. I kid you not-- it is the saddest most pathetic thing ever. Because Asians have destroyed the narrative that the USA is systematically racist-- some people in such denial with their mental illness like to claim Asians are white. Give me a break people. These groups have all seen their fair share of discrimination-- including Japanese Americans who were put into concentration camps during WWII. Then the left likes to change the narrative to-- well-- they aren't black and slavery.

Well-- here is another dirty little secret that no one likes to hear. Nigerian Americans are one of the most successful immigrant groups in the USA. 11% of the US population gets advanced educational degrees. (Graduate degrees.) 29% of Nigerian American's get their advanced degrees. Nigerian American's also make way more than the average white person in the USA. They can't let this information out, because it destroys their narrative that black people are oppressed.

The problem in the USA is that REGARDLESS OF WHAT RACE you are, if you live in a single family household-- you have hte odds stacked against you. If you are Asian, BLack or Hispanic and grow up a 2 parent household, you are 5 times less likely to live in poverty compared to a white kid raised by a single white mom. If you are a minority that grows up in a 2 parent household, you make more money and are less likely to end up in jail compared to a white kid who grows up in a 1 parent household. The black community sees the highest rate of single parents, the Asian (and Nigerian) community see the lowest. So it's no surprise that Asians and Nigerian American communities are the most successful with the least amount of crime. But the left isn't the party of family values. They spent the 60's and 70's trying to destroy the 2 parent household, and unfortunately for many kids-- regardless of race-- it has put them in a bad spot. I'm sure many of you on here were raised in 1 parent households, and you know first hand the difficulties that that brought you.

These are the facts. The USA has problems for sure. It isn't a white privilege problem, but a 2 parent privilege problem. I strongly stand against racism. I strongly stand against police abuse. The solution to the latter problem is abolishing Police Unions which protect these dirty cops is the first step (of many) that they should take to improve the police force. But I stand against the Political Wing of BLM. For a week, the left leaning terrorist group Antifa, went into Black Communities and destroyed them. If you really cared about the black community-- you don't go into their neighborhoods and destroy, loot and burn down businesses. It's ridiculous. The fact that BLM wasn't outraged against this behavior tells you everything you need to know. It's about politics, not black lives.



I would like to see the EPL come out and push the No to Racism of any kind. Actions speak louder than words. Donate money, food and time to these communities so they can better themselves. A huge problem I see working with kids in an afternoon program is that many live in an area where the school system is terrible and they can't get a good education. ALmost all are from 1 parent households (white and black,) and some do not get enough to eat, as their parents waste their WIC money. (Money from govn designed to feed kids.) The most important thing that needs to happen, is to break the cycle of single parenthood. So many black kids here in the USA grow up without a father. Donating money isn't going to solve this problem, posting a black square isn't going to solve this problem. Even though I disagree alot with LeBron James politically-- the one absolutely great thing he does is that he talks about wanting to be a great father, because he didn't have a father growing up. This is the most important message that needs to be spread across all communities. LeBron wants to be loved by all. He is like a politician and is very calculated in how he speaks. The problem is that since he is Black, he has to be a Democrat and push the left's agenda, even though it's this agenda that has harmed black people the most.

But since the left in the USA isn't the party of family values-- they would be outraged if Lebron's main platform was 2 parent households. The left spent the 60's and 70's trying to destroy the 2 parent household.. Lebron could literally go down in the USA as a great humanitarian if he pushed this agenda, and over the next few decades, the black community started to see major declines in 1 parent households. It would be tremendous and it would be the most productive thing to benefit the black community in a long, long time. Not only black communities-- but every community bc single parenthood is a huge problem.



Sorry- but talking about BLM-- Racism and the problems in the USA can't be summarized in 4 sentences. Before any leftist gets angry at me, remember. All LIves Matter. I stand against Racism of any kind. We can agree to disagree on political parties, but we all agree that All LIves matter and Racism is wrong.
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I wonder how black PL players feel about the opposition to this, would hate to be in their position knowing fans would gladly stop supporting the club you play for just because they choose to support a campaign for people who looked like you.
Some of them will welcome it, just like I do. It helps to know exactly where you stand, how people feel about it, in this country, in 2020...
I can because they told me (via social networks convos)and I can because many of my family members who live in America have told me more or less the same.
All I'm seeing here is you talking for a movement that contains millions... Based on a few conversations. Get a grip man...
 

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When I saw the PL announcement, I thought, "good - it makes a clears stand, and it takes the pressure off the black players to do it all themselves."

Now I've seen the pack of racist hyenas on twitter and elsewhere who tell me they're quitting watching football because football shouldn't be political - and it sounds like I underestimated the power of the PL and of the simple strength of the "black lives matter" slogan. Turns out it's not just good, it's fecking great, and if it really means that some of the racist scum who claim to support football will bugger off, then it's even better.
Good post. I agree if it gets the racists to stop supporting football that would be a great outcome, especially if they stay away when fans are allowed in again.
 

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Some of them will welcome it, just like I do. It helps to know exactly where you stand, how people feel about it, in this country, in 2020...

All I'm seeing here is you talking for a movement that contains millions... Based on a few conversations. Get a grip man...
That's all I've been doing. You've finally got it.. I never pretented that the whole movement was bad
 

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During the current climate and the intensive focus on the disparity between race across the world. I think it would be a perfect opportunity for our club to celebrate our rich history of black footballers. I’m sure that many people are unaware that our first black player was Dennis Walker in 1963, and that Viv Anderson was the first Black player to play for England. We have had some amazing black club captains, such as Paul Ince, Rio Ferdinand, Patrice Evra, Antoino Valencia and recently Ashley Young. We currently have 23 black players in our squad. The Manchester United foundation does some great work in the community and this shouldn’t go un-noticed.

I think that the museum should dedicate a section to the rich tapestry and wonderful history that black footballers have dedicated to our club.


Dennis Walker, Manchester United’s first black player.


Viv Anderson, England’s first ever black player.


Paul McGrath. A legend.


Paul Ince celebrating the double.


York and Cole, Champions of Europe.


Rio Ferdinand, Fifa World club Champions.


Patrice Evra, Champions League Winner.


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The future.
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It's a complicated issue. On the one hand black people are 3% of the British population, so you'd think 6 out of 91 managers being black (6.6%) is actually about right. Then you have to factor in the fact that, especially in the premier league, that is the pinnacle of your managerial career and it's common to be around 60 years old by the time you have the required skills and experience to manage at that level. You could argue that the black players who have retired in the last 10, 20 years just aren't old or experienced enough to manage in the premier league yet. Look at the usual managers on the carousel, Sam Allardyce for instance. He was managing Notts County and Blackpool in his 40s, i.e the same sort of jobs that Hasselbaink and Sol Campbell are plying their trades in now. If they do well, who's to say they can't be in the Premier League in their 50s and 60s? The only black manager consistently offered Premier League jobs is the 61 year old Chris Hughton. On that basis, you'd have to think that time will remedy this and we'll see far more black managers in the premier league in around 10-15 years.

While that's happening though, I do think more should be done in the meantime to provide fertile ground for black managers to get their foot in the door at lower league clubs. It's all well and good saying we have a meritocracy in football management, but are they being allowed the chance to prove themselves in the first place? I've heard Rio Ferdinand say how he's spoken to black players on the verge of retirement and asked them if they'd go into coaching, only to be met with a resigned 'what's the point?' type response. Seems pretty clear something needs to be done, even if just to reassure black players that there is a reason to do your badges. I don't know if forcing clubs to interview a black candidate is the way forward, but to be honest, I've yet to hear a better idea. I don't see how else that mindset is going to be changed.
 

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It's a complicated issue. On the one hand black people are 3% of the British population, so you'd think 6 out of 91 managers being black (6.6%) is actually about right. Then you have to factor in the fact that, especially in the premier league, that is the pinnacle of your managerial career and it's common to be around 60 years old by the time you have the required skills and experience to manage at that level. You could argue that the black players who have retired in the last 10, 20 years just aren't old or experienced enough to manage in the premier league yet. Look at the usual managers on the carousel, Sam Allardyce for instance. He was managing Notts County and Blackpool in his 40s, i.e the same sort of jobs that Hasselbaink and Sol Campbell are plying their trades in now. If they do well, who's to say they can't be in the Premier League in their 50s and 60s? The only black manager consistently offered Premier League jobs is the 61 year old Chris Hughton. On that basis, you'd have to think that time will remedy this and we'll see far more black managers in the premier league in around 10-15 years.

While that's happening though, I do think more should be done in the meantime to provide fertile ground for black managers to get their foot in the door at lower league clubs. It's all well and good saying we have a meritocracy in football management, but are they being allowed the chance to prove themselves in the first place? I've heard Rio Ferdinand say how he's spoken to black players on the verge of retirement and asked them if they'd go into coaching, only to be met with a resigned 'what's the point?' type response. Seems pretty clear something needs to be done, even if just to reassure black players that there is a reason to do your badges. I don't know if forcing clubs to interview a black candidate is the way forward, but to be honest, I've yet to hear a better idea. I don't see how else that mindset is going to be changed.
I think it's better to look at the percentage of black players in the Premier League. It was 33% in 2017 from Black, Mixed and Asian backgrounds. What you said in bold is part of the problem which creates a vicious cycle, black players don't see black managers and therefore don't bother with going into coaching which means there are fewer black candidates for jobs. It's made even harder when you're competing with foreign managers.

Another problem is that black managers will be given fewer chances to fail. White British managers may get up to 3 or 4 chances before clubs in the league won't hire them. Alan Pardew had 4 jobs in the Premier League before he was considered to no longer be good enough (and he could still be hired again). David Moyes is on his 3rd chance (4th if you count his time in Spain)
 

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I think it's better to look at the percentage of black players in the Premier League. It was 33% in 2017 from Black, Mixed and Asian backgrounds. What you said in bold is part of the problem which creates a vicious cycle, black players don't see black managers and therefore don't bother with going into coaching which means there are fewer black candidates for jobs. It's made even harder when you're competing with foreign managers.

Another problem is that black managers will be given fewer chances to fail. White British managers may get up to 3 or 4 chances before clubs in the league won't hire them. Alan Pardew had 4 jobs in the Premier League before he was considered to no longer be good enough (and he could still be hired again). David Moyes is on his 3rd chance (4th if you count his time in Spain)
Most of those will be from overseas though won't they? They tend to return home after retirement and resume their careers there. It's pretty unsual they go straight into coaching at Morecombe or something, so I don't know if using that stat is necessarily the best indicator.

I agree with your bottom paragraph. Paul Ince did great at MK Dons, failed and Blackburn and hasn't been seen since.
 

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It's a complicated issue. On the one hand black people are 3% of the British population, so you'd think 6 out of 91 managers being black (6.6%) is actually about right. Then you have to factor in the fact that, especially in the premier league, that is the pinnacle of your managerial career and it's common to be around 60 years old by the time you have the required skills and experience to manage at that level. You could argue that the black players who have retired in the last 10, 20 years just aren't old or experienced enough to manage in the premier league yet. Look at the usual managers on the carousel, Sam Allardyce for instance. He was managing Notts County and Blackpool in his 40s, i.e the same sort of jobs that Hasselbaink and Sol Campbell are plying their trades in now. If they do well, who's to say they can't be in the Premier League in their 50s and 60s? The only black manager consistently offered Premier League jobs is the 61 year old Chris Hughton. On that basis, you'd have to think that time will remedy this and we'll see far more black managers in the premier league in around 10-15 years.

While that's happening though, I do think more should be done in the meantime to provide fertile ground for black managers to get their foot in the door at lower league clubs. It's all well and good saying we have a meritocracy in football management, but are they being allowed the chance to prove themselves in the first place? I've heard Rio Ferdinand say how he's spoken to black players on the verge of retirement and asked them if they'd go into coaching, only to be met with a resigned 'what's the point?' type response. Seems pretty clear something needs to be done, even if just to reassure black players that there is a reason to do your badges. I don't know if forcing clubs to interview a black candidate is the way forward, but to be honest, I've yet to hear a better idea. I don't see how else that mindset is going to be changed.
That's the biggest issue. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think any top club would hesitate to hire a black manager if they had an impressive record. If Mourinho was black he would still be seen as a leading candidate for the Chelsea and United jobs.
The problem is earlier on. Does he get the opportunities earlier on in his career that ultimately allowed him to prove himself? Does he even feel encouraged to go for those opportunities in the first place?

Without doing the research, I believe most managers were former players, so hopefully the greater presence of black players in English football will see this shift over time. But for that to happen, black players need to see it as a realistic route after playing.
 

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Most of those will be from overseas though won't they? They tend to return home after retirement and resume their careers there. It's pretty unsual they go straight into coaching at Morecombe or something, so I don't know if using that stat is necessarily the best indicator.

I agree with your bottom paragraph. Paul Ince did great at MK Dons, failed and Blackburn and hasn't been seen since.
Yeah but I don't know if football is necessarily representative of society in the UK. I imagine black English players make up more than 3% of English players while Asian British players make up a very small percentage compared to their percentage in the population. Coaching should be reflect the make up of players because it's hard to get into elite coaching if you haven't played the game professionally. (Although some do)
 

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Yeah but I don't know if football is necessarily representative of society in the UK. I imagine black English players make up more than 3% of English players while Asian British players make up a very small percentage compared to their percentage in the population. Coaching should be reflect the make up of players because it's hard to get into elite coaching if you haven't played the game professionally. (Although some do)
True. Come to think of it, you never really see any British Asians playing in the football league.
 

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I don't view BLM that way, sorry if I was unclear. I view BLM as a racist movement. I am very troubled by it and how it is catching on. It is sad.
The core message of BLM is wanting equality. It is in no way a racist movement.
 

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If I were a member of BLM or a black American politician/community organizer and really cared about saving black lives my top priority and number one campaign would be to drill it into the black community how to interact with the police and not to resist arrest.

I have yet to hear anything like that coming from anyone. African Americans are just being used as political tools, even by their own community.

Not to excuse what happened to Eric Garner or George Floyd which to me are both negligent homicides at a bare minimum.
 

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If I were a member of BLM or a black American politician/community organizer and really cared about saving black lives my top priority and number one campaign would be to drill it into the black community how to interact with the police and not to resist arrest.

I have yet to hear anything like that coming from anyone. African Americans are just being used as political tools, even by their own community.

Not to excuse what happened to Eric Garner or George Floyd which to me are both negligent homicides at a bare minimum.
You mean like the guy shot here in South Carolina for doing exactly what the state trooper told him to do?
 

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If I were a member of BLM or a black American politician/community organizer and really cared about saving black lives my top priority and number one campaign would be to drill it into the black community how to interact with the police and not to resist arrest.

I have yet to hear anything like that coming from anyone. African Americans are just being used as political tools, even by their own community.

Not to excuse what happened to Eric Garner or George Floyd which to me are both negligent homicides at a bare minimum.
This isn’t the issue. It shouldn’t be death sentence to run away or resist. Police there need to be trained in de-escalation. I literally saw a video this morning of police pulling up and basically executing a homeless man because he put his hand near his waistband. They’re trigger happy.
 

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There are quite a lot of white European managers managing African national teams. Not sure what to make of that but maybe it's just a lack of black players wanting to go into management.
 

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If I were a member of BLM or a black American politician/community organizer and really cared about saving black lives my top priority and number one campaign would be to drill it into the black community how to interact with the police and not to resist arrest.

I have yet to hear anything like that coming from anyone. African Americans are just being used as political tools, even by their own community.

Not to excuse what happened to Eric Garner or George Floyd which to me are both negligent homicides at a bare minimum.
Realise that "the talk" for black people isn't just about the birds and the bees. It's also about racism and how not to get fecked over because of the colour of your skin, including by the police. Nobody should have to be doing that, including BLM.

Jheeze...
 

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If I were a member of BLM or a black American politician/community organizer and really cared about saving black lives my top priority and number one campaign would be to drill it into the black community how to interact with the police and not to resist arrest.

I have yet to hear anything like that coming from anyone. African Americans are just being used as political tools, even by their own community.

Not to excuse what happened to Eric Garner or George Floyd which to me are both negligent homicides at a bare minimum.
I've read and heard plenty of parents talk about how they've had "the talk" with their sons and daughters about how they shouldn't expect justice from the police: they should do whatever they say in as respective a way as they can, regardless of what is happening, just so they can come back home alive.
That they need to have those conversations is an issue in itself and it is not the solution.
 

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There are quite a lot of white European managers managing African national teams. Not sure what to make of that but maybe it's just a lack of black players wanting to go into management.
That is not it. Europeans must be better and anything local? No chance. White privilege/racism.
 

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If I were a member of BLM or a black American politician/community organizer and really cared about saving black lives my top priority and number one campaign would be to drill it into the black community how to interact with the police and not to resist arrest.

I have yet to hear anything like that coming from anyone. African Americans are just being used as political tools, even by their own community.

Not to excuse what happened to Eric Garner or George Floyd which to me are both negligent homicides at a bare minimum.
I'm glad there have been few black politicians idiotic enough to follow this advice.
 

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During the current climate and the intensive focus on the disparity between race across the world. I think it would be a perfect opportunity for our club to celebrate our rich history of black footballers. I’m sure that many people are unaware that our first black player was Dennis Walker in 1963, and that Viv Anderson was the first Black player to play for England. We have had some amazing black club captains, such as Paul Ince, Rio Ferdinand, Patrice Evra, Antoino Valencia and recently Ashley Young. We currently have 23 black players in our squad. The Manchester United foundation does some great work in the community and this shouldn’t go un-noticed.

I think that the museum should dedicate a section to the rich tapestry and wonderful history that black footballers have dedicated to our club.


Dennis Walker, Manchester United’s first black player.


Viv Anderson, England’s first ever black player.


Paul McGrath. A legend.


Paul Ince celebrating the double.


York and Cole, Champions of Europe.


Rio Ferdinand, Fifa World club Champions.


Patrice Evra, Champions League Winner.


Icon.

The Academy


The future.
Great post. Love that pic of McGrath
 

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There are quite a lot of white European managers managing African national teams. Not sure what to make of that but maybe it's just a lack of black players wanting to go into management.
White European managers have had “better experience” and have had better jobs at a higher level than black African coaches ever since football began. It’s gradually being globalised so over the next few decades we may well see things diversify.

Would love to see some African coaches emerge over the next few years with some different ideas. I can’t think of a single African coach who’s had a managerial job in the top 5 leagues in Europe.
 

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Most of those will be from overseas though won't they? They tend to return home after retirement and resume their careers there. It's pretty unsual they go straight into coaching at Morecombe or something, so I don't know if using that stat is necessarily the best indicator.

I agree with your bottom paragraph. Paul Ince did great at MK Dons, failed and Blackburn and hasn't been seen since.
The NFL has the Rooney Rule in which every head coach's position up for grabs has to include an ethnic minority interview for the position. Perhaps it's time for the league to follow suit. Detractors claim that the best qualified coaches should be considered only but it was a start in the right direction Imo.
 

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I love what the statement is doing and it shows how united the football world can do so much!

I'd love to see a club take a stance against the slaves they use to make all the athletic apparel and boots they all use...

And I hope to see clubs do more like 6 months ago when Arsenal threw Ozil under the bus for standing up for the Those people in china.
 

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There are quite a lot of white European managers managing African national teams. Not sure what to make of that but maybe it's just a lack of black players wanting to go into management.
You have to wonder why so few black players have gone into management in all these years. They haven't had the same opportunities really.

Sven-Göran Eriksson played football in the Swedish lower leagues. He got an assistant manager gig shortly after he retired and a year after that he was a manager. In his 5th year into management he was at Benfica. He just happened to know Tord Grip who appointed him as his assistant to being with and then handed over the managerial reigns when he went to manage Sweden. Talk about getting a jumpstart to your career. Usually you have to be a club legend to get that kind of "in".
 

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I love what the statement is doing and it shows how united the football world can do so much!

I'd love to see a club take a stance against the slaves they use to make all the athletic apparel and boots they all use...

And I hope to see clubs do more like 6 months ago when Arsenal threw Ozil under the bus for standing up for the Those people in china.
This is one of the US propaganda to racistly blame the Chinese in the name of trade war

Ughyur has been inspected by hundreds of nations and they found no wrongdoing. Only the US and her allies somehow adamant that the Chinese are murdering millions and there's a concentration camp over there.

Ughyur is open to tourism by the way, you can head there and see for yourself how "oppressed" the citizens are
 

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You mean like the guy shot here in South Carolina for doing exactly what the state trooper told him to do?
Last year in South Carolina, my alma mater's starting quarterback was arrested for cocaine possession after cops pulled him over for speeding, scraped literal bird shit off the windshield, and ran it through a drug test kit. He missed a game or two before video came out and he was cleared. Goons.
 

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It really doesn't take long for someone to show their true colors in a thread like this does it :lol:
 

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This is one of the US propaganda to racistly blame the Chinese in the name of trade war

Ughyur has been inspected by hundreds of nations and they found no wrongdoing. Only the US and her allies somehow adamant that the Chinese are murdering millions and there's a concentration camp over there.

Ughyur is open to tourism by the way, you can head there and see for yourself how "oppressed" the citizens are
Not really the thread for this, but https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps