Fernandes is the caf MotM against Spurs? Really?

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Can someone explain how this is possible, objectively?

Using critical analysis, what did he do to outstrip Pogba in this game?

I rate the guy, sincerely, but how have people got him as the MotM for last night's performance, especially in comparison to Pogba who came on and turned the game around whilst looking like a FIFA/PES star character.

Indulge me, caf: what did you see in his performance that warranted MotM status? Or is this a closely run, neck-and-neck thing?
 

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people are always reticent to give it to a sub, rightly or wrongly

so not much else to choose from in that case
 

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Pogba turned the game in the 20/30 minutes he was on but consistently over the 90 minutes Bruno was clearly our best player

I'd have a hard time giving MOTM to someone who only played around a quarter of the game
 

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Both are on my same rating which reflect to what they did in the game, unfortunately, we can only vote 1 MOTM. I gave it to Bruno instead of Pogba since he played 90 minutes. If you are still moaning about this then tell admin to provide two MOTM.
 

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I love Bruno but he was probably the most disappointing given how well he performed in the games prior to lockdown. Pogba did more in 30 minutes than anyone else on the team.
 

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Between Pogba and Bruno, don't make a meal out of it. They were the only 2 players making something happen
 

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Didn't vote. But prolly would have voted for Bruno if I did. He was class. So was Pogba tbf. They link up well together and excited to see them both on the pitch for 90 min.
 

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Thought him and Pogba were our best players anyway. He set up Martial with a beautiful chance on top.
 

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Pogba was clearly levels above everyone in the pitch.

As mentioned, shiny new toy. Look at old match threads from previous seasons, you’ll see Sánchez, Memphis, Di Maria & Pogba himself winning plenty of MOTM’s from when they first came.

Bruno was sloppy by his standards.
 

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For me without Pogba, we don't get that equalizer. He turned the game around. As much as Bruno played well, he just wasn't able to get that penatration or gelling with the strikers which was down to a lot of things.
The fact that Dier was only really tested twice and both times he gave away pens, albeit the second one wasn't one, but close to it, shows how little pressure we put on them, in their box. That's lack of service to the strikers, which is partly Bruno's job.
 

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It wasn't the substitute that changed the game. It was the change of shape that forced Spurs back 10 yards.

Bruno and Pogba were equally good in the final half-an-hour. But Bruno did it for an entire hour before that too.
 

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They isn’t much to choose from to be fair .

A Midfielder who played 90 mins or a midfielder who played 30mins .
It’s not worth losing sleep over regardless
 

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Who would you give it to? @Fortitude
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Think he answered that in his OP, in fairness.

I’d marginally vote for Pogba but Bruno was by far the best of the lot who started the match. So I certainly wouldn’t see any controversy. Plus he scored the winning goal (albeit a pen that Pogba won) which, on its own, often sways these votes.
 

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Fortitude said:
Can someone explain how this is possible, objectively?
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On whoscoreds objective algorithms, Bruno is Utds best player with 7.8. Pogba is at 7.3. Sofascore.com is Bruno 8.2/Pogba 7.5.

My eyes also said Bruno was our best player, by a good margin. Add to the fact that Pogba only played 30 minutes, and it can't possible be a thread-worthy controversy to vote Bruno MOTM?
 

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Might have had something to do with him being our best player by quite a large distance
 

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Pogba did really well and will start the next game now presumably, but he also came on for 30 minutes of a game against a Jose Mourinho team who were a goal up. We could have subbed Pogba back off and replaced him with a watermelon and we'd still have dominated the last half hour.
 

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Dante said:
It wasn't the substitute that changed the game. It was the change of shape that forced Spurs back 10 yards.

Bruno and Pogba were equally good in the final half-an-hour. But Bruno did it for an entire hour before that too.
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From what I watched, they were pegged back most of the game and didn't even try venturing forward.
Sure they got deeper as the game went on, but that's almost always what happens whenever a team tries to closed up shop to protect a single goal lead.

In fact, the change of shape was as a direct result of Pogba sub as well as the others, to accommodate both Pogba and Bruno together, so it was imo Pogba that most influenced the shape and subsequently changed the game and got the pen.
 

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I would marginally give it to Bruno too because he played the whole game and was involved positively throughout.
 

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Yes really I don’t know why this is a shock.
 

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Objectively,

Bruno
  • Full game
  • Scored
  • Positive contributions throughout consistently - attacks, creations, work-rate, etc.
  • Not a perfect game - misplaced passes, lost possession, etc.
Pogba
  • 2nd half
  • Assisted
  • Positive contributions throughout consistently - attacks, creations, work-rate, etc.
  • Not a perfect game - concede fouls, etc.

Close but not really. No doubt our two best players today.

Pogba got the more "recency bias" and better "highlights" which may gain favors.
 

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Not just the caf

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I've spotted this for a while. The club always has a tendancy to hand MoTM to new signings. Fernandes made a stronger case as he was also playing well yesterday, but there're plenty more examples where the award was given to new arrivals who were pretty average. Wonder if it's a promotional or commerical technique.
 

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Thanking for the replies, I find perception of the games we all watch a curious thing - like @Schmeichel's Cartwheel , I feel Fernandes was quite sloppy by his standards. Still gave him a good score though and he was still an effective performer. Just the fella turning the game and having the most impact on the play is usually a sure thing for the MotM.
 

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As a neutral the clear change was the double sub of pogba and greenwood prior to that you were aimless. Pogba especially changed the game when he came on.
 

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He was by far our best player for the full 90 mins but was extremely let down by the poor performances of his teammates around him i.e James, Fred & Martial. Could have had 2-3 assists last night. Take nothing away from Pogba, he was brilliant when he came on but Bruno just shaded it for me.
 

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Statistically he ran the show.

Reality is he seemed rusty. No other player made the contributions he did though. Pogba wasn't on long enough.

Had Martial scored when should have, Bruno would have has an incredible assist too.
 
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Pogba certainly changed the game, but I don't think it's outlandish that Bruno got it. It wasn't a match where anyone, in particular, stood out.
 

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noodlehair said:
Pogba did really well and will start the next game now presumably, but he also came on for 30 minutes of a game against a Jose Mourinho team who were a goal up. We could have subbed Pogba back off and replaced him with a watermelon and we'd still have dominated the last half hour.
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By that logic, we didn’t need to sub him on at all then. Dominating a game and getting something from it are quite different, and without Pogba - we wouldn’t have gotten a point. I don’t think MOTM awards are given out due to controlling possession against a defensive team.

That said, I agree that Fernandes was MOTM, and voted him as much, just pointing out the fact we would have dominated the last half an hour without Pogba means little, given we aren’t in the business of dominating games, we’re in the points business, and we were dominating and losing before Pogba came on.
 

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Ish said:
Think he answered that in his OP, in fairness.

I’d marginally vote for Pogba but Bruno was by far the best of the lot who started the match. So I certainly wouldn’t see any controversy. Plus he scored the winning goal (albeit a pen that Pogba won) which, on its own, often sways these votes.
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Yeah I’d forgot he had by the time I’d read replies to be honest, just remembered the question.

I don’t think Pogba did enough to be motm in twenty minutes to be honest, and Bruno has such class an off Day could give him motd without question in our team Sadly, he was class yesterday but not his form before lockdown imo.
 

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Fortitude said:
Can someone explain how this is possible, objectively?

Using critical analysis, what did he do to outstrip Pogba in this game?

I rate the guy, sincerely, but how have people got him as the MotM for last night's performance, especially in comparison to Pogba who came on and turned the game around whilst looking like a FIFA/PES star character.

Indulge me, caf: what did you see in his performance that warranted MotM status? Or is this a closely run, neck-and-neck thing?
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Most of the team looked a bit sleepy and disjointed. Bruno made mistakes but he was trying to make things happen. Pogba would be a close second as he added energy when he came on and drew the penalty, but he was probably not up to 90 minutes as it's so much longer since he's played a match, so judging him for a half hour performance. Bruno for me for his overall contribution over 90 minutes.
 

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Pogba was obviously the man of the match. Without him, we looked a team lacking direction.
 
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