A case for our steady improvement in playing on the front foot

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Quite a few have noted this, but there still seems to be discussion about wether we have seen steady improvement or just glimpses of good or bad form, or have been transformed over night by Bruno. I wanted to look back at that, reviewing the actual results.

Was there anything to take from last season? Well, we saw two halves, the first we were brilliant and lucky, the decond we were horrible and unlucky. The most obvious reasons (apart from the luck) were transitional ones: Honeymoon, Solskjær vs Mourinho joy, confidence boost and more aggressive play for the good part - injuries, low confidence, low fitness levels, and bad morale were factors in the bad part. If Solskjær could get rid of some bad apples, get a few good signings and have a good preseason, I’d expected us to get somewere in between those ups and downs. We got only half the necessary signings, and Ole showed he would rely heavily on youth, so it became clear this was a season for development rather than end results. Has it been?

I split up this season in four parts (51 games, split into 13-13-13-12). An up-down-up-down-pattern emerged in points per game: 1.4 - 2.1 - 1.5 - 2.5. As a rule of thumb, 2 points pr game and more will normally put you in contention for trophees, lower will not. So are we just up and down, with Bruno adding a level?

There was one other discernible tendency last season that held for both the good and bad period: We looked better playing counterattack than being forced on the forefoot. There was a notion early this season that this bore out in the PL, but not so much against European or lower league opposition. So I parted the season in three subgroups: A) Games against PL teams set up for being able to play us on the forefoot (I included City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal and Leicester in this, based on profile of player quality and style of play). B) Games against PL teams set up to play us on the counter (the rest). C) European and lower league teams.

First confirmation: We have done well against group C throughout. 9 wins in 13 gave 2,3 per game, and an even level of above 2 pts pr game for all of the four parts of the season. Looking behind the points, wins from December onwards against AZ 4-0, Tranmere 6-0, Brügge 5-0 and Linz 5-0 points towards progress in what has not been a problem area.

Then what we thought we knew: We have been better against the Expected best (A) than against the rest (B). 1.9 ppg against the top end teams is a very high return, and much better than any counterattacking team normally can dream of. In comparison, 1,6 ppg against the other 13 teams clearly shows our perceived weakness is not a myth: Picking off teams through established forefoot play has been a weakness.

What was interesting, was the development of the season in four parts: Our games against Group A teams showed consistent high numbers, above 2 ppg, for all parts of the season, with exception to the third 13-game part, which contained three straight, clear defeats against Arsenal, City and Liverpool. That means we have been as good against the likes of City and Liverpool as against the likes of Astana and Rotherham (albeit with different atarting 11s) if you look outside of that period in January. It makes you wonder of something happened in January for us to suddenly lose three of those in a row. Were we working on a different focus in our game in that period, prioritising preparedness to play on the forefoot? Who knows. Or was it just a slumo of bad form?

The reults against group B teams points to the former: There was a steady improvement between each of the four parts of the season: 0.4 - 1.5 - 1.8 - 2.6. Meaning that the period when we collapsed against the better attacking sides, we still improved against the cautious or defensive sides, even as this included two games against perhaps the best defensive team in group B (Wolves). It also means that the blip against the better teams concealed the fact that we have in fact been gradually improved all season in playing established attacking play, ‘on the forefoot’.

Now, many coaches have previously pointed out that it takes shorter time to set up a team for counterattacking than for dominance, and you need technically more talented players to succeed with dominating football. Did our results on the forefoot change with the availability of more technically accomplished players, successful coaching of forefoot play, or both? Looking at the availability of our best individual players in that regard: Pogba, Rashford, Martial and Bruno, we had on average two in the first part (Pogba and Martial out after four/five games), one in the secound (Pogba and Martial out), one and a half in the third (Pogba out, Martial for half the games), roughly two and a half in the fourth part (Bruno in, Martial in, Rashford out, Pogba and Rashford in for the latter games). This means we had three of our most proficient players available only in our first stint against the ‘backfoot’ teams, taking 0.67 ppg against Wolves, Palace and Southampton, and the last two games with two wins against Sheffield Utd and Brighton). So its not that simple. Is it even simpler, a pure Bruno effect? No. We did have a jump of 0.8 pppg after he came, which points to there being a Bruno effect indeed. Yet we jumped with 1.4 ppg from the first to the third part of the season against the weaker teams, an even bigger jump, and 0.4 pog between second and third. So the Bruno effect only accounts for some of the improvement in these games. The general steady improvement points to mainly being an effect of gradually improved team play in dominating games and getting results all throughout the season, and that this is not an up-down fluctuating effect, but can be expected to continue into the future.

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I may be part of the choir you'd be preaching to but there is also the use of a combative n10 (Pereira and Lingard), instead of the classic creative type (Mata) which tells me that we've been preparing for Bruno's arrival as a missing piece of the puzzle.

I wonder if the change in Rashford's style since the restart is also part of a tactics learning curve. He is staying on the wing more than he was before and Shaw is underlapping more than overlapping (something that was the opposite earlier in the season).

It will be very interesting to see the future of our right wing. Ole, so far, plays forwards who have tendency to cut in with the fullbacks providing additional width, allowing us to play with 5 or 6 (with Bruno) attacking bodies. When we're chasing a result we even go to 7 bodies (against Tottenham and Norwich, usually with the addition of Pogba).

Compare this to the earlier stages of the season when Ole's only viable attacking option on the bench was the (back then) untested Greenwood. It is very difficult to find alternative options when the bench offers so little in terms of quality and variety. I like Pereira but he is not the type of player to come in and change a game. Lingard and Mata have lost a huge chunk of what made them valuable in the past (due to various reasons) and Chong is too raw to be in contention.

Another interesting development was the improvement in McT and Fred in midfield. I think Ole and the training staff worked hard to ensure that pair performs well together because our attacking options were so limited. Only with the introduction of Bruno we saw Matic becoming a vital part of the team again. For me, that's because Bruno's main benefits lead to a less organised defensive unit and a dedicated, marshaling DM takes care of that.

Overall, I'm very happy with this season, it has shown us what we have at our disposal and has painted a hugely optimistic picture of the future!
 
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I may be part of the choir you'd be preaching to but there is also the use of a combative n10 (Pereira and Lingard), instead of the classic creative type (Mata) which tells me that we've been preparing for Bruno's arrival as a missing piece of the puzzle.

I wonder if the change in Rashford's style since the restart is also part of a tactics learning curve. He is staying on the wing more than he was before and Shaw is underlapping more than overlapping (something that was the opposite earlier in the season).

It will be very interesting to see the future of our right wing. Ole, so far, plays forwards who have tendency to cut in with the fullbacks providing additional width, allowing us to play with 5 or 6 (with Bruno) attacking bodies. When we're chasing a result we even go to 7 bodies (against Tottenham and Norwich, usually with the addition of Pogba).

Compare this to the earlier stages of the season when Ole's only viable attacking option on the bench was the (back then) untested Greenwood. It is very difficult to find alternative options when the bench offers so little in terms of quality and variety. I like Pereira but he is not the type of player to come in and change a game. Lingard and Mata have lost a huge chunk of what made them valuable in the past (due to various reasons) and Chong is too raw to be in contention.

Another interesting development was the improvement in McT and Fred in midfield. I think Ole and the training staff worked hard to ensure that pair performs well together because our attacking options were so limited. Only with the introduction of Bruno we saw Matic becoming a vital part of the team again. For me, that's because Bruno's main benefits lead to a less organised defensive unit and a dedicated, marshaling DM takes care of that.

Overall, I'm very happy with this season, it has shown us what we have at our disposal and has painted a hugely optimistic picture of the future!
I think you have some very interesting points. Generally pointing towards different changes in tactics to compensate for or accomodate needed change in personnel. Tactically, if correct, that implies consciousness on the part of the coaching team, while it also points at things that will only bring gradual improvement through practice in traing and games (Fred and McTom learning how to interact for defensive stability and attacking impetus, Shaw and Bissaka learning how to compensate for Rasfords lack ofdefense and Fred/McTom//Lingard/James etc lack of attacking prowess.) TheShaw underlapping development I’ve seen too, and is probably a tactical change to accomodate Rashford, Pogba and Bruno playingall at once. It makes Shaw look worse over night, both attacking (seems more passive) and defensively (more out-manned and forced to stand off), but he helps RPB unleash all matter of dangers up front, so we should probably thank him for taking one for the team.
 

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I think that full backs are extremely critical to our attack. During the Ole honeymoon period, there was an analysis shown regarding average FB position under Ole vs. Mourinho. Both are FBs were significantly ahead then. However, for the most part of this season, I have found Shaw reluctant to make overlapping runs and AWB to be either playing safe passes or lacking quality in final delivery.

In both of our big wins since the restart, AWB has bagged assists, Shaw has been making forward runs (2nd goal vs. Brighton). Naturally, FB runs are not completely independent of other areas of the pitch. The confidence in possession brought in by the Matic-Pogba-Bruno axis is critical to the movement of the entire team.

The only weak point since the restart has been Rashford. He got two assists vs. SHU but has been underwhelming overall. His trademark darting runs in the box and quick passing as well as accuracy of shooting has been lacking. Hopefully, it is just a blip and he has that extra motivation to make things right tomorrow.
 

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I think that full backs are extremely critical to our attack. During the Ole honeymoon period, there was an analysis shown regarding average FB position under Ole vs. Mourinho. Both are FBs were significantly ahead then. However, for the most part of this season, I have found Shaw reluctant to make overlapping runs and AWB to be either playing safe passes or lacking quality in final delivery.

In both of our big wins since the restart, AWB has bagged assists, Shaw has been making forward runs (2nd goal vs. Brighton). Naturally, FB runs are not completely independent of other areas of the pitch. The confidence in possession brought in by the Matic-Pogba-Bruno axis is critical to the movement of the entire team.

The only weak point since the restart has been Rashford. He got two assists vs. SHU but has been underwhelming overall. His trademark darting runs in the box and quick passing as well as accuracy of shooting has been lacking. Hopefully, it is just a blip and he has that extra motivation to make things right tomorrow.
Yet even more important than the form after the restart is the question: Is it a blip, is it due to Pogba and Bruno playing together, or is it due to many factors we have been working successfully with over a year’s time?
 

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Its all to do with personel as well. Better players make you play better and breeds confidence and arrogance, (Matic for example). Simple as that. Prior to Bruno and now Pogba coming our form was all over the place. Since Bruno especially, we have looked a much better attacking and defensive unit. How many games did we go into and here on the forum fan would be scared of playing the likes of Burnley, palace etc. Now most - not all, are super confident of us playing everybody. We lost to Bournemouth in November? How many think we will lose today? Not many I would bet.
 

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Its all to do with personel as well. Better players make you play better and breeds confidence and arrogance, (Matic for example). Simple as that. Prior to Bruno and now Pogba coming our form was all over the place. Since Bruno especially, we have looked a much better attacking and defensive unit. How many games did we go into and here on the forum fan would be scared of playing the likes of Burnley, palace etc. Now most - not all, are super confident of us playing everybody. We lost to Bournemouth in November? How many think we will lose today? Not many I would bet.
Yes and no. Our form against the teams sitting back has improved with the addition of Bruno and the number of key players, but as the result break down shows, we have consistently improved in that respect all season, even from the point were we had all of Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Matic available at the start of the season. So the change is definitely about more than that.
 

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Yes and no. Our form against the teams sitting back has improved with the addition of Bruno and the number of key players, but as the result break down shows, we have consistently improved in that respect all season, even from the point were we had all of Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Matic available at the start of the season. So the change is definitely about more than that.
Someone in the press said is Bruno the catalyst like Cantona was in 92? This may well be the moment we look back in a few years time and say it was. All the outfield players seem to be improving though as you said.
 

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Bruno is the key to unlocking everyone else because hes forward thinking. The best replacement of Scholes we could have got. Not all of Scholes game but with Pogba in there boy do we cover a lot of ground and it's a thing of beauty. The last few games, I look at the match time say around 30 mins...and we've got 2 or 3 goals or missed a few chances and it feels familiar. Anyone that's watched us, can look at many games since Sir Alex retired and think.....wtf am I watching? This United team really needed a Bruno and I think similar to the team Cantona come into - it tips the balance. Let us not forget, the year before Cantona - we should have won the league and probably would have but for fixture congestion which messed us up and Leeds were in good form. Where would we be if Fernandes was bought in the summer?

It don't matter if we'd be champions of in the top 2/3 but I think it's like anything. When the mind and body are one, you are more strong in the direction you want to go. It's a shame we left it till Janurary and I would say to Ed - is the amount you saved really worth it? Maybe it was to the club. But this team needed someone who was smart. Who was clever. Who could link play. Who was determined. Who had a good temprement and work rate. Who has the confidence to coach players on the pitch. Who told attacks to run because I'll try to find you...... it sounds simple but we've not had that. Pogba needed help and now him and Fernandes with whoever behind is a very strong unit. It's very pleasing. We need to know who we are better then. We need to stop making teams look better then they are. This is like a transition from boy to man. Now we take responsibility to win games

I like many things about this team. I like many things about this manager. It's not knee Jerk. We have the players to attack teams. We've never quite seen them all firing in the one game for various reasons but let's just take it one game at a time. We need to focus on Villa and make it easy for ourselves
 

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Don't wanna lie when Bournemouth scored I thought to myself "here we go again". Instead we cut them open like it was 1999.
 

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Bruno is the key to unlocking everyone else because hes forward thinking. The best replacement of Scholes we could have got. Not all of Scholes game but with Pogba in there boy do we cover a lot of ground and it's a thing of beauty. The last few games, I look at the match time say around 30 mins...and we've got 2 or 3 goals or missed a few chances and it feels familiar. Anyone that's watched us, can look at many games since Sir Alex retired and think.....wtf am I watching? This United team really needed a Bruno and I think similar to the team Cantona come into - it tips the balance. Let us not forget, the year before Cantona - we should have won the league and probably would have but for fixture congestion which messed us up and Leeds were in good form. Where would we be if Fernandes was bought in the summer?

It don't matter if we'd be champions of in the top 2/3 but I think it's like anything. When the mind and body are one, you are more strong in the direction you want to go. It's a shame we left it till Janurary and I would say to Ed - is the amount you saved really worth it? Maybe it was to the club. But this team needed someone who was smart. Who was clever. Who could link play. Who was determined. Who had a good temprement and work rate. Who has the confidence to coach players on the pitch. Who told attacks to run because I'll try to find you...... it sounds simple but we've not had that. Pogba needed help and now him and Fernandes with whoever behind is a very strong unit. It's very pleasing. We need to know who we are better then. We need to stop making teams look better then they are. This is like a transition from boy to man. Now we take responsibility to win games

I like many things about this team. I like many things about this manager. It's not knee Jerk. We have the players to attack teams. We've never quite seen them all firing in the one game for various reasons but let's just take it one game at a time. We need to focus on Villa and make it easy for ourselves
I agree Bruno has been transformational, and it makes me sigh with relief thinking we could have splashed that cash and more for a Dybala who didn’t want to be here more than Angel Maria did.

At the same time, I think it’s important to note that just like when Cantona came, Ferguson had already spent six years building a team that could challenge for the league. Like the OP says, the improvement in how we are playing against these kinds of teams (Sheffield U, Brighton and Bournemouth) was as big before Bruno came as after. And that was without Pogba as well.
 

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It's a combination of everything, there's actual belief in our play now. When Bournemouth scored, there was no panic, no evidence of us forcing the issue, we just kept playing our game and put them to the sword, but it was like we always knew we would.

It's a mixture of belief, being assertive in the game, taking control of the ball and actually playing for the full 90 minutes. In years gone by, we've seen good halves of football, but now we're getting entire games of dominance, because we have players of quality, players that put the opposition on the back foot. If Pereira is in that team yesterday, you can give him space and push onto Pogba instead as you know he's a very limited player. Give Bruno that space and he will hurt you. All of a sudden we have 3/4 match winners and creators, that allows us to play on the front foot.

Bruno is of course a catalyst, he's infectious. He seems to have a brilliant rapport with the entire team, and it's a joy to watch. He's the most influential player in the league right now, but it's a gradual shift in focus that's allowed him to come in and hit the ground running.

The club now feels like it has a direction, identity and philosophy, and that makes such a difference.
 

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There's a lot of talk about the midfield two of Pogba and Bruno, but in my opinion Matic is playing a big part in this transformation, not only defensively but in his distribution as well.
We now have three midfielders who are comfortable on the ball.
Our centrebacks are even spending time thirty yards from the opposition box because of their confidence in the ability of the midfielders being able to control things the majority of the time.
 

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There's a lot of talk about the midfield two of Pogba and Bruno, but in my opinion Matic is playing a big part in this transformation, not only defensively but in his distribution as well.
We now have three midfielders who are comfortable on the ball.
Our centrebacks are even spending time thirty yards from the opposition box because of their confidence in the ability of the midfielders being able to control things the majority of the time.
Seems to me many are overestimating single player effects and underestimating team development effects, even with evidence close at hand.
 

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Seems to me many are overestimating single player effects and underestimating team development effects, even with evidence close at hand.
It's funny how individual brilliance is the main reason for improvement according to many but individual mistakes are then the manager's and tactics fault ;)
 

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It's funny how individual brilliance is the main reason for improvement according to many but individual mistakes are then the manager's and tactics fault ;)
Yes, the mysterious ways of complex stuff.

It would be interesting to see the caf timetravel to 86-91 and see the discussion about the development of play back then.
 

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Not much to say about the image above...

But there was also 2006 when there was a lot of discontent around the fanbase. (not that there wasn't before or after) Here's an article from The Guardian on the police intervention needed in September 2006.

I guess it all comes down to being one of (if not the) the most popular clubs in the world and having millions of fans. Obviously some will be trigger happy, other will be the classic glory hunters, and that leads to such opinions being aired more often than not. There are two general phenomena at play here, simultaneously:
  • Internet and Social Media in particular provide a platform and usually the radical minorities are the most vocal online.
  • The fact that the average level of knowledge, patience and intelligence are, let's face it, not great (and I'm being very, very generous here). Then, having that in mind, everything that is "below average" is...well...