Manchester City banned from CL for 2 seasons and fined 30 million euros | CAS - Ban lifted, fined 10 million

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City being banned would have led to an exodus of their players.

Sterling and De Bruyne were already hinting at having a re think at the end of the season if the ban was upheld and I think Guardiola would have been having second thoughts about staying too.

Now they'll keep all their best players and they've now got carte blanche to just do whatever they fecking want. Offer Liverpool £300m for VVD, offer Mbbape £4m a week to join City. feck it, the rules don't apply any more, just pay your 10m Euro fine every time you get caught cheating and be done with it.

This will have long lasting hugely negative ramifications for football.
 

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Can't help but think a breakaway European 'Super League' with the biggest clubs is inevitable now
 

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Can somoene explain this to me as I'm 3 years old. So they're guilty but they only got a slap on a wrist?
You want to open a lemonade stand. So your mom and dad give you $10. You go out and buy all the ingredients for $9. That means you have $1 left over.
 

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Disappointing.

But FFP is stupid anyway. What kind of industry seeks to prevent inward investment? Let the money flow and get on with it.
 

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So when we all knew that City naming their stadium after their owners brand and saying it was full every week when it clearly wasn’t, why weren’t they investigated then? Why has it taken this long for them to be looked in to?

UEFA are as corrupt as the rest but City fans started booing the CL anthem and then they decided to investigate. Proper shit show, power hungry little men everywhere.
Who knows, without putting tin foil, just depends do you trust that UEFA jumped on them right away after discovering stuff or waiting long enough.
 

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Football would be better if UEFA could do what they wanted without clubs having recourse to an independent body apparently. If UEFA prosecuted City and CAS overturned it, it’s because UEFA’s case was not strong enough. Tough.
The case was strong enough, it was just the time elapsed for you lot to be prosecuted. Moreover, you lot didn't cooperate with the investigation because you probably knew that it would come down to something like this. You were still fined £10m which is not a punishment when you're owners are billionaires.
 

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Wait, i am confused. They are not punished because they proved that they didn't do anything wrong or it is because it happened "looooooong time ago" (5 years is apparently ancient history)
It's like the Trump Russia collusion case. There's not a smoking gun, it happened in the past and they obstructed. So small fine and they get to tweet they are totally exonerated.
 

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They need to be a bit more proactive and regularly audit all teams eligible for the competition. Any teams that don't comply should be banned.

Either this will be the death of FFP or they'll make it their mission to enforce it with rule changes.
 

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What a joke.


I hope we challenge for the league so we can stop rooting for these bastards to stop Liverpool from winning.

Tinpot club.
 

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yeah basically.
Given the leaked emails we know City did break FFP.

So the CAS ruling is
- City broke FFP - no they say this was not established or was time barred therefore they are not saying city broke FFP
- City hid this from authorities to avoid punishment - no they are saying they did not cooperate with the investigation
- These offences are now either too far in the past or covered by previous settlement - some of them are too far back - some not proven
- So we can only punish them for hiding things from authorities - for not cooperating which isnt the same thing as deliberatly hiding things (basically its being in a police station and saying no comment - CAS are saying in this case city could have been more helpful in establishing the facts - they are not saying city lied and deliberately hid facts )

what is completely corrupt is that if the punishment for hiding an offence is less than the punishment for the offence itself (which is what CAS has done), why would any rational club NOT hide/fail to cooperate. - on this point i agree but legaly I dont thnk you can force a club to cooperate unless its an investigation from say tax authorities etc

CAS essentially agrees there was even more deliberate rulebreaking than just FFP offences and yet deemed it worthy of reduced punishment?? - no cas says there is no proven rules broken within admissible time frames... I guess like if yu get sent a speeding fine or a parking ticket too late you can simply say its time barred so f off
If UEFA basically said we cant prove it but we think you did X and then imposed the sanctions they were stupid for letting it get this far - they need to sack their laywers and re-examine FFP as its clearly not something they themselves understand how to administer

Its in the media release
https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785_Decision.pdf
Following the hearing, the CAS Panel deliberated and concluded that the decision issued on 14 February 2020 by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the CFCB should be set aside and replaced by the following:

a.) MCFC has contravened Article 56 of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations.
b.) MCFC shall pay a fine of EUR 10,000,000 to the UEFA, within 30 days as from the date of issuance of the arbitral award. The CAS award emphasized that most of the alleged breaches reported by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the CFCB were either not established or time-barred.

As the charges with respect to any dishonest concealment of equity funding were clearly more significant violations than obstructing the CFCB’s investigations, it was not appropriate to impose a ban on participating in UEFA’s club competitions for MCFC’s failure to cooperate with the CFCB’s investigations alone.
However, considering
i) the financial resources of MCFC;
ii) the importance of the cooperation of clubs in investigations conducted by the CFCB, because of its limited investigative means; and
iii) MCFC’s disregard of such principle and its obstruction of the investigations, the CAS Panel found that a significant fine should be imposed on MCFC and considered it appropriate to reduce UEFA’s initial fine by 2/3, i.e. to the amount of EUR 10 million.

The final award with reasons will be published on the CAS website in a few days.

and UEFAS own statement
UEFA takes note of the decision taken by the Court of Arbitration for Sport to reduce the sanction imposed on Manchester City FC by UEFA’s independent Club Financial Control Body for alleged breaches of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play regulations.

UEFA notes that the CAS panel found that there was insufficient conclusive evidence to uphold all of the CFCB’s conclusions in this specific case and that many of the alleged breaches were time-barred due to the 5 year time period foreseen in the UEFA regulations.

Over the last few years, Financial Fair Play has played a significant role in protecting clubs and helping them become financially sustainable and UEFA and ECA remain committed to its principles.

UEFA will be making no further comments on the matter.
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...fa-statement-on-cas-manchester-city-decision/
the UEFA lawyers either knew that or are incompetent ... perhaps UEFA will change the time limit on their own rules but as I say perhaps fully revisiting FFP and how they administer it is a better starting point
 

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loads of people having metldowns before even looking at the evidence that was presented and why it was overturned.
 

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Are you sure? Kinda strange that they were not aware or forgot their own rules
I’m reading that the 5 year clause is stipulated by uefa.
Sounds like they just threw a load of shit at the wall and hope some of it stuck.
It didn’t.
 

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Next investigation should be checking anyone that was involved in this decisions bank accounts.

I'm almost certain there's back handers involved.
 

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Again though, thats UEFAs fault for 1) not bringing the charges sooner or (and more importantly) 2) giving clubs a loophole to get away with it
Yeah, sounds like there are too many loopholes in their FFP rules. Something which decent lawyers can easily get around.
 

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The Saudi takeover of Newcastle looks promising then if they can falsify the finances and say it's all within their spending.
 

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Congrats to Newcastle on winning the 2022 Premier League and 2023 Champions League
 

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sounds quite reasonable for me. UEFA are on the wrong side of justice - not for the first time
 

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Hmm; what a surprise!

Still, footballing wise, it's good news for Manchester United. I didn't fancy the advantage not playing any European football would have given Manchester City in the Premier League over the coming two seasons. I fancy our chances with a level playing field. Tonight's home game against Southampton just got a whole lot bigger.
Agree with you on that.
While it might have been nice to see City penalised, it is far more satisfying for United to qualify for the CL on their own merits and not through the back door.
 

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This is sickening news to wake up to, the whole thing is corrupt all you have to do is throw money at UEFA to get what you want.
 

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What're the chances the PL will begin their own investigation into City now the CAS has bailed them out?

In any case, I wouldn't have been comfortable with United qualifying for the CL via a loophole, so I kinda welcome the ban getting removed.
 

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loads of people having metldowns before even looking at the evidence that was presented and why it was overturned.
Give it a rest bud. People will be rightly fuming about this regardless of the legal jargon and money your owners have thrown at this to get Uefa to back down.

What was leaked is evidence enough for anybody with a brain what your club is up to and how they have taken the absolute p*ss from the start of FFP.
 

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Netflix is drooling at the thought of making an investigative documentary about this which will air in a couple of years. The ramifications will be enormous and a couple accountants at CAS will be fired for breaking a regulation or two, and the footballing world will breathe a sigh of relief as justice has been served.
 

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I don't really care much about City or any other clubs spend. United just need to do their business on the pitch.
 

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What blows my mind in all of this though is that UEFA deemed something worthy of a two-year competition ban that CAS deemed unworthy of that same punishment. How can those two organisations be so totally different in their viewpoint?
 

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Doesnt UEFA technically "Invite" teams into their competition? Why can't they NOT invite Manchester City? They surely are not forced to invite anyone. Obviously someone with some legal knowledge can shed light on it because my solution seems to straightforward to be true
If I'm not mistaken the current invite process is based on a contract between the UEFA and the different leagues, where the invitations are predetermined. The UEFA would have to get out of that contract and invite clubs unilaterally every years, its doable but I'm not sure if the ECA would like it and the ECA are the biggest threat to the UEFA, they are the ones threatening to create a super league, which before people start dreaming would definitely include the likes of City and PSG.
 

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So when we all knew that City naming their stadium after their owners brand and saying it was full every week when it clearly wasn’t, why weren’t they investigated then? Why has it taken this long for them to be looked in to?

UEFA are as corrupt as the rest but City fans started booing the CL anthem and then they decided to investigate. Proper shit show, power hungry little men everywhere.
Didn’t keep up brown envelope payments recently but backdated it with interest a few weeks ago I imagine.
 

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Ah shite. So top 4 is really needed now. 5th place would have been just fine with the city ban. Oh well. Hope united don’t feck this up now!
 

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I don't really care much about City or any other clubs spend. United just need to do their business on the pitch.
You'll care once we can't compete for people like Sancho because the oil clubs have unlimited resources.

FFP was the only thing keeping them in check, now they can just +1 whatever we do.

At this point the only thing going for us is the history of the club, but will that be enough to convince the best players? just like with Toure, Aguero and Silva they blew everybody out the water, it'll get even worse from this point.