Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

mattunited1978 · Jul 12, 2020

Red Company said:
Do you hear yourself mate? I’m wasting my time??? Wasn’t me who found the need sound me out about sounding cringe-worthy or being embarrassing and God knows what else you squeezed in your rant.

That bolded part isn’t my style. Just felt that poster being a Dortmund fan was having a fact-less dig at us so needed some correction and checking.

If you didn’t bother reading my post then why on earth are you even commenting on what you think about my posts to begin with??? Mind boggling.

Also - incase you didn’t know, football forums exist to debate/discuss and as a united fan it’s in my right to debate a rival fan whose having fact-less digs at us.

I’m actually embarrassed to see posters like you on here acting all Mrs. Hudson in here trying to get involved when you aren’t even bothered to know the backdrop of the whole story. Since your such a keyboard warrior, how about you go rant at someone where you have something substantial, relative, and decent to say in response??

Also I’m glad you mentioned the word pleb - since you have nothing better to do than judge or correct me in a shallow style about saying/not saying certain things that you have no business with just shows me you’re actually one yourself!
Having said that, please continue to waste your time responding back but I actually spend my time discussing worthwhile things on here and grow mine and fellow posters’ knowledge bases while doing so. Hence I’m not going to bother responding back to you going forward.

I accept your apology, just try to be a bit more mature in future..".For his sake" is so out of context with writing words on a forum...And as you brought the phrase up, id suggest using the term "For his sake" in regards to words you'd type back to the Dortmund poster, if provoked further...Is the definition of a Keyboard Warrior. But fitting as it may of been using it in relation to your post, I personally dont like using 'Keyboard Warrior' its an old, tired, immature phrase.

NinjaZombie · Jul 12, 2020

Ole has turned Martial and Rashford into 20 goal strikers. He's also introduced the world to Greenwood. He also developed Haaland at Molde. It's fair to say he's quite decent at this managerial thing.

My only Eric · Jul 12, 2020

In the year 2022, there will be an argument amongst football fans and pundits around the world.

Who is the second best coach in the world after Ole?

Strelok · Jul 12, 2020

My only Eric said:
In the year 2022, there will be an argument amongst football fans and pundits around the world.

Who is the second best coach in the world after Ole?

I'm a big Olein but this is too much imho.

I just hope some here would be a little more gentle when we lose one day or we're having a bad time. We will, no one can win forever.

georgipep · Jul 12, 2020

432JuanMata said:
I’ll say what I said in another thread I’m not a Ole lover(as a manager) or a Ole hater, I love Manchester United and I wanted him gone in January but now I’m seeing positive things that even if we don’t make top 4 he will get next season.

I don’t get this love for managers maybe it comes from most of our fans seeing SAF as our manager there whole life’s. I feel if they perform they will get backed if not they get sacked. Ole has us playing great football so anyone wanting him gone now is being incredibly stupid.

It's not about love but about trust. I don't know what is your profession but in most jobs where people are expected to make decisions and to carry responsibility for their (and their team's) performance trust is something that can make or break someone.

If my boss didn't trust me I wouldn't be able to perform and would second guess every decision I make, leading to more mistakes than I would normally expect of myself.

Of course, trust can be lost with poor performance and then it's my boss' job to review what has happened, sit me down to talk about it and assess is there a way back to the good times.

But judging managers (back to football now) like you are watching Britain Got Talent or something, is careless and naive at best. This instant gratification, toss them the moment they make a mistake, culture is making more and more managers to make decisions based on immediate results at the cost of potential future stability.

ReddBalls · Jul 12, 2020

georgipep said:
It's not about love but about trust. I don't know what is your profession but in most jobs where people are expected to make decisions and to carry responsibility for their (and their team's) performance trust is something that can make or break someone.

If my boss didn't trust me I wouldn't be able to perform and would second guess every decision I make, leading to more mistakes than I would normally expect of myself.

Of course, trust can be lost with poor performance and then it's my boss' job to review what has happened, sit me down to talk about it and assess is there a way back to the good times.

But judging managers (back to football now) like you are watching Britain Got Talent or something, is careless and naive at best. This instant gratification, toss them the moment they make a mistake, culture is making more and more managers to make decisions based on immediate results at the cost of potential future stability.

Great post.

90 + 5min · Jul 12, 2020

I will repeat what I (and few others) said at the end of last year, when results didn't go our way. Changes take time and from begining Solskjaer showed he needed time to fix thing after few years of turbulence and a squad without any balance. Our team were lost. Our club were lost. People saying we are on good run post corona. Agree. But only looking at points. If you analyze situation, we were going forward even when we were losing. All sign were there. We have lot to thank Solskjaer and the staff for.

So I say again, changes take time. What strikes me is that these changes seems to be going in fast way that I wouldn't be suprised if we give ManCity and Liverpool a fight next year for the title. Now some might think that is so far from reality and I am crazy but future will give us answers.

Withnail · Jul 12, 2020

90 + 5min said:
I will repeat what I (and few others) said at the end of last year, when results didn't go our way. Changes take time and from begining Solskjaer showed he needed time to fix thing after few years of turbulence and a squad without any balance. Our team were lost. Our club were lost. People saying we are on good run post corona. Agree. But only looking at points. If you analyze situation, we were going forward even when we were losing. All sign were there. We have lot to thank Solskjaer and the staff for.

So I say again, changes take time. What strikes me is that these changes seems to be going in fast way that I wouldn't be suprised if we give ManCity and Liverpool a fight next year for the title. Now some might think that is so far from reality and I am crazy but future will give us answers.

I do think that's a bit ambitious.

To challenge for the title we need a much stronger squad.

Right now our first XI is very good and playing well and our bench are able to come on and close out a game after it's won.

However, they're not scoring any goals and our bench isn't scaring anyone.

We need a back up for Matic, Bruno, another attacker, a CB and possibly a quality attacking LB before we can mount a proper title challenge.

Fully Fledged · Jul 12, 2020

BenitoSTARR said:
Looks like the greatest hits of Ole Outers strikes again. The post was satirical an amalgamation of all the Ole out style posts that people posted before lockdown.

It’s crazy to think some people thought this way!

It is. I always saw this as a massive job especially after he shipped out the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez. There were signs of how Ole wanted to play during our purple patch at the start of his reign last year we just needed the right players and to get the squad to buy into it.

What we are seeing now is night and day to what we have seen from our last 3 managers even in their best periods for the first time in a long time I'm excited to watch us play.

It can still go wrong this season though as the squad is paper thin so a few injuries could see us lose our shape. If that does happen people need to see what we are building towards and give Ole the time and resources to complete the rebuild.

90 + 5min · Jul 12, 2020

Withnail said:
I do think that's a bit ambitious.

To challenge for the title we need a much stronger squad.

Right now our first XI is very good and playing well and our bench are able to come on and close out a game after it's won.

However, they're not scoring any goals and our bench isn't scaring anyone.

We need a back up for Matic, Bruno, another attacker, a CB and possibly a quality attacking LB before we can mount a proper title challenge.

Maybe it is ambitious. The feeling right now is that we are making progress in way that is possible to have hope of challenging ManCity and Liverpool for the league. As early as next year. We are getting fitter, stronger, more direct and more balanced. We are tactically stronger, more mature and players know their roles. It is no surprise we are (now) beating teams like we did in 90's. The one thing that was needed was time and let us hope that we can carry on.

If we need players? It depends on how our young players develop and what players stays/leaves. I, maybe the only one in here, wouldn't want big signings that people talk about. Right players, not star players. We are buildning a team.

Verminator · Jul 12, 2020

Withnail said:
I do think that's a bit ambitious.

To challenge for the title we need a much stronger squad.

Right now our first XI is very good and playing well and our bench are able to come on and close out a game after it's won.

However, they're not scoring any goals and our bench isn't scaring anyone.

We need a back up for Matic, Bruno, another attacker, a CB and possibly a quality attacking LB before we can mount a proper title challenge.

Nobody knows what the future holds, but it is not a problem to be optimistic.
We have the 3rd best defensive record, and our front 5 look unstoppable, and bring unique talents to eachother.

Yes we need cover, because our bench is weak, and hopefully we will go some way to rectifying this, but City and Liverpool don't have elite elevens.
They may have strong squads, but take Laporte out of City, and their defence is shaky. Would we want Otamendi or Mendy playing for us?
Liverpool without VVD or Mane or Salah become a different proposition.
Would Wijnaldum or Keita or Firmino start for us?

Sancho would boost our top class numbers in attack and AM if stretched by injuries or suspension. Williams is a great prospect at LB, so i would hold onto that money.
McTominay and Fred can cover Matic, but I'd understand getting a younger specialist DM.

We aren't that far away.
I just hope that we go for top quality to stack the squad, and create competition, rather than add mediocrity to pad it out.
But, as that is our current problem, I don't see that happening.

Withnail · Jul 12, 2020

90 + 5min said:
Maybe it is ambitious. The feeling right now is that we are making progress in way that is possible to have hope of challenging ManCity and Liverpool for the league. As early as next year. We are getting fitter, stronger, more direct and more balanced. We are tactically stronger, more mature and players know their roles. It is no surprise we are (now) beating teams like we did in 90's. The one thing that was needed was time and let us hope that we can carry on.

If we need players? It depends on how our young players develop and what players stays/leaves. I, maybe the only one in here, wouldn't want big signings that people talk about. Right players, not star players. We are buildning a team.

Whether they are star players or not, I think we need strengthening as the drop off in quality from the first team to the replacements is marked.

Do you really think we don't need to strengthen this squad in order to challenge for a title?

SeeMe · Jul 13, 2020

I'm happy with Ole, I was criticized by fans because of supporting him, some fans here so called they know the best about football, saying that Ole never turn good enough to be Man Utd manager.

Every manager need times but many fan just think football is like FIFA2020 game

Red Company · Jul 13, 2020

Jim Beam said:
Fair play. Proper response.

Promote him. By the order of peaky feck....

Haha thanks @Jim Beam!

Got me promoted!

90 + 5min · Jul 13, 2020

Withnail said:
Whether they are star players or not, I think we need strengthening as the drop off in quality from the first team to the replacements is marked.

Do you really think we don't need to strengthen this squad in order to challenge for a title?

We might need some players. But it all depends och who and what position we should be looking at. What we don't need, in my opinion, is few more of DeMaria-signings. Talking about Sancho, Kane and other top class players doesn't suit me well. We need players doing what we need them to be doing. Not buying players because of their name. We got a good young squad who is developing very well. Let us not ruin that with buying stars and ruin the balance of the team and squad.

Makelele · Jul 13, 2020

In business there is this phrase that "culture eats strategy for breakfast", meaning that no matter how strong your strategic plan is, its efficiency will be held back if the people don't share or have the proper culture. OGS has clearly done something about the culture at the club, and that is more valuable than the implementation of any "system" or "tactics". What he has done is really praiseworthy because it is very very hard to achieve. Credit where its due.

Withnail · Jul 13, 2020

90 + 5min said:
We might need some players. But it all depends och who and what position we should be looking at. What we don't need, in my opinion, is few more of DeMaria-signings. Talking about Sancho, Kane and other top class players doesn't suit me well. We need players doing what we need them to be doing. Not buying players because of their name. We got a good young squad who is developing very well. Let us not ruin that with buying stars and ruin the balance of the team and squad.

There's no might about it and I've suggested the areas that need strengthening in the first post you responded to.

No one is talking about Di Maria type mercenary signings that I've seen.

Kane is a no go imo as his price tag will be ridiculous and his output is decreasing each year since his peak. He may be able to regain that form but it's a risk at the price.

I think Sancho is definitely worth it as he has a huge ceiling and exactly what we need, as we have no depth for our front three. He can play left, right or AM.

You talk about balance, but in order to challenge for a title we need to enhance the squad and that is in order to maintain the balance of our team when replacements come in.

If, for example, any of Greenwood, Rashford, Pogba, Bruno, Martial, Maguire or AWB get injured who are the replacements and can we keep up the same level of performance?

We're doing well at the moment but it's very telling that we could be looking at an unchanged line-up for an unprecedented 5th game in a row tonight.

SirAnderson · Jul 13, 2020

Makelele said:
In business there is this phrase that "culture eats strategy for breakfast", meaning that no matter how strong your strategic plan is, its efficiency will be held back if the people don't share or have the proper culture. OGS has clearly done something about the culture at the club, and that is more valuable than the implementation of any "system" or "tactics". What he has done is really praiseworthy because it is very very hard to achieve. Credit where its due.

Well said.
Giving you a pretend like for what it's worth.

Going to also use that saying, thanks

Bojan11 · Jul 13, 2020

No idea what happened today. We barely could string two passes together. Yeah being a man down was unlucky. But for majority of that game Southampton controlled possession.

Zen86 · Jul 13, 2020

Here we go..

izec · Jul 13, 2020

No rotation. We can't play with the same team again and again. Last game tiredness was already there and today even the blind ones could see that some players were very tired.

starman · Jul 13, 2020

The speed this thread gets bumped..

Rightnr · Jul 13, 2020

I'll defend him on this one. You can't very well rotate when it's been proven time and again that your starting 11 is miles better than your bench.

These are professionals and they should be able to play 2 games in 4-5 days.

It's becoming patently obvious we need a Bruno-like signing that lifts the whole quality of the back line across the board. Maguire never was and never will be that.

Paul_Scholes18 · Jul 13, 2020

I don't think Ole is the man long term. Tactically not at the highest level in terms of coaching passing and movement to open up time and space.
We also appear to be mentally weak whenever we have chance to get top 4. It was the same last season and happen today. Although the jury is still out regarding this season.
Think we should give him next season still and see what he can do since we have made loads of progress still.
Ole is a great person and I wish him all the best of course, but we need a top manager to beat Pool and City and I am not sure he is.

OleBoiii · Jul 13, 2020

Bojan11 said:
No idea what happened today. We barely could string two passes together. Yeah being a man down was unlucky. But for majority of that game Southampton controlled possession.

Bumping this thread now should be a bannable offence.

Bojan11 · Jul 13, 2020

izec said:
No rotation. We can't play with the same team again and again. Last game tiredness was already there and today even the blind ones could see that some players were very tired.

Tiredness can’t be used as excuse. That Southampton team has been the same team for 3 games in a row.

We had it at the start vs Villa, Bournemouth and Brighton where we couldn’t keep the ball. Thankfully we raced into 2 goal leads and that gave us confidence.

luke511 · Jul 13, 2020

I'm very much pro Solskjaer, but I've no idea why he swapped our defensive shape as much as he did at the end there. Pulled Fred out from the defensive position he had just warmed into to play McTominay there, then went for a 5 at the back with a wonky midfield in front of it, no one knew what their role was after Williams came off, cost us the game.

El Zoido · Jul 13, 2020

izec said:
No rotation. We can't play with the same team again and again. Last game tiredness was already there and today even the blind ones could see that some players were very tired.

This is the big problem, since the backup players are nowhere near as good. I wouldn’t fancy us to beat Palace if we start with the team that finished the match today.

SirAnderson · Jul 13, 2020

Wolves play same 11 over over, fine. We do it, 1 slip up. Knives out.
Fecking hell.
Games like this will always happen, happened under Fergie, happened to every coach under the sun.
Move on.

Shark · Jul 13, 2020

If Ole bottles top four from here, we'd be absolutely mad to go into next season with him. Every single time we've a chance to capitalize on our opponents dropping major points and in this case basically gifting us 3rd over the weekend, we've managed to bottle it. That's not a manager that's going to win us titles.

RedSky · Jul 13, 2020

SirAnderson said:
Wolves play same 11 over over, fine. We do it, 1 slip up. Knives out.
Fecking hell.
Games like this will always happen, happened under Fergie, happened to every coach under the sun.
Move on.

Aye, we had a difficult end to the game. Can't really plan for two injuries in the same position in quick succession. We switched off with Brandons injury, shit happens.

Cnaiür urs Skiötha · Jul 13, 2020

Games like this show what Ole is still missing to be an elite manager. I really like the man and I would love to see us becoming a dominant force under him for the next 10+ years but whenever a game goes not easy and not like planned some deficits become obvious. No tactical reaction, just hoping that we somehow get over the line with the points.
Hasenhüttel got it right and deserved a point despite his team being inferior to ours.

Matriac · Jul 13, 2020

izec said:
No rotation. We can't play with the same team again and again. Last game tiredness was already there and today even the blind ones could see that some players were very tired.

We never seemed tired in my opinion, not until late anyway. But Southampton is the other team in the Premier League that is known to run a lot, so it makes sense that the equalness makes us look tired compared to our last games.
They also knew to push and challenge our play out from the back while we're still working on perfecting that.

When Soto scored I was not really worried, I felt certain we would score several. Once we were back ahead they changed it up to close it at the back and made it hard for us.

We should have been able to clinch it, but the percentages were not on our side tonight.

izec · Jul 13, 2020

Bojan11 said:
Tiredness can’t be used as excuse. That Southampton team has been the same team for 3 games in a row.

We had it at the start vs Villa, Bournemouth and Brighton where we couldn’t keep the ball. Thankfully we raced into 2 goal leads and that gave us confidence.

I would rather it is tiredness than a lack of coaching. They may also use different regeneration methods etc, not every team trains the same and has the same methods.

Southampton are a much better coached side anyway, because their manager has a track record of coaching, see Leipzig.

Dinghy · Jul 13, 2020

Some of you fecking idiots...

Sweet Square · Jul 13, 2020

Bojan11 · Jul 13, 2020

And why didn’t he bring on the 5th sub?

Tom Cato · Jul 13, 2020

Shark said:
If Ole bottles top four from here, we'd be absolutely mad to go into next season with him. Every single time we've a chance to capitalize on our opponents dropping major points and in this case basically gifting us 3rd over the weekend, we've managed to bottle it. That's not a manager that's going to win us titles.

Well this isn't a reactionary comment at all

Mainoldo · Jul 13, 2020

Pogba and Bruno had poor games and the team as a collective was poor today...

Mainoldo · Jul 13, 2020

Bojan11 said:
And why didn’t he bring on the 5th sub?

Only allowed 3 goes to sub.

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