On a side note why is var even there? Clear red and nothing is given for a horrific potentially ankle breaking tackle. This is the sort of stuff that needs to be dealt with right away by var. And not only whether a goal is marginally offside or not. Southampton deserved something out of this game because of their attacking performance, but at the same time they don’t because they should have definitely played most of this game with 10 men.
PL D FA Premier League
Manchester United 2:2 Southampton
Post-match discussion
Mon, 13 July 2020
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
And my point is that it isn't about what a ref feels or believes. These incidents happen very quickly. I don't blame the ref. I blame VAR for not looking at it one time and immediately calling for a red card. Would you rather the league was full of a bunch of Romeus or a Greenwood?
It was a great delivery and once man at front post flicks it on it is very difficult to defend against.
My problem is their man at the front post wins it. Man in front should be winning it. That is Rashford in this case who is 6 ft. He allows man to get in front. Matic can never win that header where he is.
People will blame maguire (I have seen that on Twitter) but he stays free because de gea is weak coming for crosses that generally leaves us a man shy defending from corners as we have maguire compensating for DDG fragility there.
Speaking of DDG I also think he is partly to blame for first goal. Why play a ball into that space when you know your playing a team who can hound and close down well. You have to bypass that first press and not expose yourself to the risk. It is high risk pass given the opposition though 100% pogba should do better.
Thought martial actually looked like a proper center forward today for first time where it really stood out which was great. He was our best player.
First 11 is good anything after that is weak. We should be looking to sign snacho and another midfielder.
Oppo fan view for what it is worth.
Thought you were unlucky tonight. The tackle on Greenwood was a red card offence and if given that was a different game.
You had some good chances, I was glad to see Rashford score from open play finally as his last few attempts have all been ruled out from offside.
you were not over run, as some have written, while it was 11v11 I thought you were totally in control after the first 20 mins.
very unlucky at the end to go down to 10 men and that nervousness was what undid you in the end. But still it was a point picked up on Chelsea and Leicester and every point counts at the moment, I’d still bet on you getting top4. You can’t win every game all the time, but you were unlucky in this one.
the other positive was Martial, that lad is on fire at the moment.
Thought you were unlucky tonight. The tackle on Greenwood was a red card offence and if given that was a different game.
You had some good chances, I was glad to see Rashford score from open play finally as his last few attempts have all been ruled out from offside.
you were not over run, as some have written, while it was 11v11 I thought you were totally in control after the first 20 mins.
very unlucky at the end to go down to 10 men and that nervousness was what undid you in the end. But still it was a point picked up on Chelsea and Leicester and every point counts at the moment, I’d still bet on you getting top4. You can’t win every game all the time, but you were unlucky in this one.
the other positive was Martial, that lad is on fire at the moment.
A bizarre interpretation of what I said.
Misunderstanding perhaps.
You notice that I began by saying the result was disappointing?
I still think we will finish in the top 4.
Its just that I don't think that's a big deal.
This place has 20 pages when we lose and 7 to 8 when we win. Honestly, our fans aren't serious. Coming for Ole's management when it was clear we had tiring legs. We are level on points with 4th place with three games to go with which one is against one of those competitors, yet the pessimists that didnt talk when we won are out in forces now. Pochettino would not have done as good of a job as Ole has so far. If he hasn't done enough to convince you,I dont see how he ever will. Our fans are too spoilt.
Martial chipped the goalkeeper one on one against Sheffield United, really wasn’t that many games ago.
I appreciate you writing this, as that’s pretty much exactly the way I saw the game, but you come on hear afterwards & wonder if you were on the right channel.
If we'd said on Friday we could make 1 more point up (and some goal difference) this weekend we'd probably have taken it.
3 wins, CL. Simple.
3 wins, CL. Simple.
Good post, that's how I saw it as well.
I think if they'd equalised in like the 60th minute we'd all be a bit more chill with it. Always hard to drop points in that fashion.
Greenwood was a bit anonymous today, but that should be expected as we never had control of the game. Our midfield was really leggy today and Southampton's heavy pressing and the level of aggression they were allowed to get away with unsettled us. I actually think we should have brought on Mctominay to combat this. Lindelof's aerial ability again got exposed, and for me is the only consistent weakness in our first xi.
On a more positive note, Rashford looks like he's back. Martial looks like he's raised his game to another level in which he can be our permanent no.9, he was very impressive today under difficult circumstances.
On a more positive note, Rashford looks like he's back. Martial looks like he's raised his game to another level in which he can be our permanent no.9, he was very impressive today under difficult circumstances.
Obviously not happy with the result, but I don’t think Ole did anything wrong as some have suggested. Southampton are in good form, if he was going to rest players Crystal Palace is the better option and I would’ve tried to get one more game with this XI as well.
The fact that only a couple players had a decent game and we almost won, shows this team is pretty good. Had that injury not happened and we didn’t have a few more minutes of extra times, we walk away with 3 points.
The fact that only a couple players had a decent game and we almost won, shows this team is pretty good. Had that injury not happened and we didn’t have a few more minutes of extra times, we walk away with 3 points.
I like the passion in the way your reply. Too bad it is only destructive to begin with.
throwing him under the bus? it was a mere comment saying that Ole should take the blame because of his decisions to go defensive as well as the subs he made. I’m sure there are people here who agreed with me.
So learn to be nice and give constructive replies instead of shooting your ‘passion’ everywhere.
I’m not even asking for Ole to be sacked so there is no need for you to be so worked up. Take a breather at times and try to look from different angles maybe you will understand better
Particularly in 2020 Ole’s found a brilliant attacking set up that suits our current players and the way he wants us to play for future title challenges. But again our defence frustrates me, particularly at such a key moment in our top 4 challenge to concede from a set-piece. Maguire should really be taking charge there and Lindelof too, but as we’ve seen before they were weak and bullied by stronger players. In my mind Ole will undoubtably be searching for another centre back, as our attack is no longer the priority. Koulibaly’s name will be talked about again and rightly so, he’s exactly what we need. Maybe Ole will be looking to sell Bailly to create the funds, and hopefully he’ll be cheaper than prices quoted a few years ago now he’s 29.
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I like your positivity
This type of game was always coming and we almost grinded out the win. Had 2-3 great chance too.
We are still in comfortable position. This was the toughest game remaining considering Southampton form. Win next 3 game and we are in 3 rd position. Chelsea and Leicester will drop more points.
We are still in comfortable position. This was the toughest game remaining considering Southampton form. Win next 3 game and we are in 3 rd position. Chelsea and Leicester will drop more points.
How much did our defence cost again? Sad that our 130 mils RB and CB can't help us win a home game. Anyway the guys looked tired and Fernandes and Pogba both are up for a break for sure. Will we win the last 3 games? We have to I think otherwise it's back to EL our old friend. We need nine points but will probably get 7.
Feck the ref and Var btw. And hope Romeu grows a testicle from his forehead.
Feck the ref and Var btw. And hope Romeu grows a testicle from his forehead.
Easy for me to say now, but I really believe we should have rested some players before this match, which we knew would be a challenge. But overall we did more to deserve victory. Yet conceding on a corner at the death is really poor. Still, we control our destiny and I’m very confident we’ll be in the CL next season.
But we do need to add strength to the squad this summer. Sancho, a proper DM and if we have the funds, a CB as well. Lindelof can do a job against most opponents, and I like Bailly and Tuanzebe, but the Iceman melts a bit a bit too often for my liking.
But we do need to add strength to the squad this summer. Sancho, a proper DM and if we have the funds, a CB as well. Lindelof can do a job against most opponents, and I like Bailly and Tuanzebe, but the Iceman melts a bit a bit too often for my liking.
Let’s just remember, positivity starts and ends with fans. We are in a great position to make top 3, let’s not lose sight of that.
A result like that was always due but just frustrating the way it came. Pogba and Fernandes looked leggy and were very sloppy. AWB was terrible, needs to realise he's playing for Man Utd and not Crystal Palace anymore. Not really sure who's fault the 2nd goal is, but I thought Lindelof should have been stronger at the back post.
Martial was very good in the CF role but missed a few good chances. Greenwood didn't get any sort of service which was poor.
Martial was very good in the CF role but missed a few good chances. Greenwood didn't get any sort of service which was poor.
long time lurker here but I have to say this: the draw is a positive. It serves as a timely reminder to the board that we sorely lack depth beyond the first team. Still a decent chance for 4th and I do suspect we will drop a couple of points in the remaining games.
This loss was not on Ole, so not sure why he’s getting blamed. Our squad is short of real quality after our starting 11 that Ole has to keep throwing our strongest 11 out there. Nothing changes, we have to win out to secure top 4 but this loss is hugely disappointing and an unfortunate trend that’s continuing from last year.
Watching the match again, I'm jealous of Southampton's pressing. The amount of organization is insane, especially given the players are pretty average.
I frequently see your posts in here and would argue that you secretly love us but for your totally objective summary.
We just cannot keep our one goal leads without conceding. Back in the day id be confident big we were 1-0 up and there was 20 minutes to go. Now I’m not.
terrible team performance.
terrible team performance.
We were very overrun in midfield. Most of the time our setup looked like this:
with Southampton ready to pounce. Individual brilliance can help, but that setup is bound to fail against Southampton's pressure.
If you want to blame someone, how about Matic who literally assisted Obafemi's goal. Or you can blame de De Gea for letting an attacker score from 2 yards out from the center of the GK box.
Also this result is on Ole. He should have rotated the team a lot more. Matic gets knackered easily. The man needs to play 1 game per week max.
A Fred from the get go would have saved us a ton of grief, considering that the Saints like to press. DM's are usually useless against high pressing teams.
Pogba should have come on in the 70th minute when we were looking gassed to provide additional stability and control.
I guess hindsight is 20/20.
This whole thing reminds me of last season. We had Top4 within our grasp, yet refused to capitalize. So did our opponents.
Ugh, still feels like a sucker punch to the gut. Never felt this way since that 4-4 against Everton back in 2012...
Wait, wasn't the referee the same one who was in charge of the Palace game earlier this season when they kicked our players to hell and received no punishment? Same thing today....
We've messed it up. Need a couple of wins and for Leicester to drop more points before our game at their ground. It's going down to the wire and I don't fancy this team in such a situation. Still a decent chance but we just shot ourselves in the foot ther.
Edit: Bit of an overreaction. We've still got a good chance. Have to refocus and put up a better showing against Palace and hope Leicester dont win the next 2
Edit: Bit of an overreaction. We've still got a good chance. Have to refocus and put up a better showing against Palace and hope Leicester dont win the next 2
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The early martial chance and rashford at blank point range in the 2and half is what hurt us massively,
Leicester away is not an easy game despite their troubles. Hopefully two wins and a draw will be enough with Leicester dropping points against Spurs.
Not really. You can't take every chance. Being brittle in defense and failing to control the 2nd half is what cost of us. Tactically and physically, Southampton were superb and the better team.
It's easy to have a soft spot for a prem team when you've spent the majority of your life as a supporter bouncing around in the lower divisions. Obviously since we came up its been a bit different, but I still always enjoy watching United even if I don't always want you to win.Though I do always love it when anyone beats Palace so will definitely be supporting you this week!
We were overrun. Southampton's press and possession play was superb and we found it hard to play our normal game against it. Not that we didn't have answer, whenever we did get the ball out out of our third we looked like scoring nearly everytime. But all in all, considering the respective strength of the team, tactically Southampton came out on top and we found them hard to deal with
Simply shocked by this corner and 2 minutes left, I still cannot conceive how we can concede in such situation, but I suppose we have to forget. We need to check the fitness of the players, I think if we were fitter, we would have less concentration lapses as we saw. At the end, it was a very difficult game and it's a shame each point count that much right now. Unfortunately, Chelsea has high chances to win the next game against Norwich, but I hope Liverpool and Wolves will translate into lost points for them. Leicester still have Sheffield United and Spurs to play before us, so these guys are definitely losing points, especially with a decimated defense and fitness also being an issue for them, I suppose.
I expected Chelsea to beat Sheffield and Leicester to beat Bournemouth, so based on my expectations before the game week started, this is still 1 unexpected point gained on 3rd (which I would have taken a few days ago!)
Very disappointing but I think we'll still get third spot. We now have some cohesion in the team and we can win the next 3. I expect a good response vs. Palace.
We have an easier run-in than Chelsea and Leicester. No excuses now.
Very disappointing but I think we'll still get third spot. We now have some cohesion in the team and we can win the next 3. I expect a good response vs. Palace.
We have an easier run-in than Chelsea and Leicester. No excuses now.
Ole got outdrawn today. No excuses for this loss (as in 2 points) at home in our situation. Players are fatigued which is also due to a bad squad but some questionable subs/rotation as well. We didn't deserve more than one point.
Good observation.
We're really unlucky with the injure of Williams though. And the one where Bertrand somehow denied Rashford. The tackle against Greenwood was horrible. He's a young player and needs to be protected more.
Tbh Sou was good. I still remember watching them against Liverpool earlier this season. First half they pressed the shit out of Liverpool and it was a bloody miracle that Liverpool didn't concede. Numerous clear cut chances and somehow the ball still didn't get in. They didn't have a shot on target either until suddenly Mane bang in a screamer from nothing. I didn't watch second half though but the match ended 1-0 I think.
It's not the end of the world guys. Of course it'll be much more difficult now but things are still in our hands. This team could go places imo. The lads were a bit nervous but clawed back 2-1 was no easy feat. And they didn't lose heart. A bit luck and we'd get 3 points. It was a good match despite the result. Hope next match we'll be luckier.
We will be third come end of the season, time to have some faith in the team no matter how hard they make it to believe in them.
Since we're not really in a position for it on here. Time they show it. They (Southampton), who had literally nothing to play for, except for their players looking for a move to a bigger club walk in and dominate us from the get go only for us to come back and drop it in the end. At Old Trafford in the position were in.
Give credit but also criticize when it's due. If the stands weren't empty I would hope everyone got boo'd off the fecking pitch for that disgraceful performance.
Also OGS made some terrible subs that lost the control of the game.
You couldn't as though you can have five subs you can only change players three times (excluding half time) so by the time Williams got hurt you'd used your 3 occasions to change players and therefore couldn't use your fifth sub
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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6%
Victor Lindelof
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5%
Marcus Rashford
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3%
Luke Shaw
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1%
David de Gea
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1%
Nemanja Matic
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1%
Bruno Fernandes
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 335 ratings.
Score Predictions
278,4,12
- Man Utd win
- Southampton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 21% Man Utd 3:0 Southampton
- 20% Man Utd 3:1 Southampton
- 18% Man Utd 2:0 Southampton
- 16% Man Utd 2:1 Southampton
- 7% Man Utd 4:0 Southampton
- 6% Man Utd 4:1 Southampton
- 3% Man Utd 5:0 Southampton
- 2% Man Utd 1:1 Southampton
- 2% Man Utd 3:2 Southampton
- 2% Man Utd 2:2 Southampton
- 2% Man Utd 1:0 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 0:1 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 0:5 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 2:3 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 5:1 Southampton
- 0% Man Utd 1:2 Southampton
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Southampton
- Possession
- 47% 53%
- Shots
- 8 9
- Shots on Target
- 4 5
- Corners
- 4 6
- Fouls
- 14 15
Referee
Chris Kavanagh
Man Utd Lineup
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