I changed my vote to keep him and let him rebuild. He's completely won me around. The Bruno affect has been massive obviously, but the more I listen to Ole's pre and post match interviews the more faith I have in him. I love that he doesn't get too down when we lose, and doesn't get too excited when we win. Players are allowed to make mistakes without getting slaughtered, and have freedom to express themselves. His philosophy seems to be to get players to believe in the process, and "keep doing what they're doing" until everything clicks, and we're seeing the results of this. Great work Ole, made up that's he's won me and many many other supporters round too
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Well yeah, you would think that but not everyone agrees.Whaaat???
You either need incredible luck like Liverpool for the last two years. It was a bloody miracle that their first XI were basically immune to injures for fecking two years. Or more often, a squad that has enough depth, both number and quality to cover the injured ones.
Have you watched the high performance thing? It's excellent. He comes across really well. I'm only half-way through but it gives you a lot of confidence he does in fact know what he's doing.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/high-performance-podcast-ole-gunnar-solksjaer-interview.456158/
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So there's nobody who think he's sure to win us titles then, just as you can't be sure anyone else will in that discussion.
It's likely that he will come to the point where he's taken us as far as he can but no one can put a date on it or say how far that will be. It's certainly not right now, and it won't be if we lose tonight.
Not agree is totally fine, but why ?
Well tbh this thread is getting weirder and weirder
Probably stay away from this for a while I think. Have fun guys.
Think I'll bow out of here for a while too tbhNot agree is totally fine, but why ?
Well tbh this thread is getting weirder and weirder
Probably stay away from this for a while I think. Have fun guys.
Brilliant watch!
Did the draw cost us CL? If we win 3 games do we get CL?
Last season 8 games to go - 3 wins 3 defeats 2 draws
This season 8 games to go - so far - 4 wins 1 draw.
Can you explain how it's the same pattern?
Some guy on the last page made some constructive criticism of Ole's shape in the Southhampton game and no one shut it down, people engaged with it as it was specific and expressed.
I think people are just annoyed with those who make claims like we should go for a better manager but can't name one, say that he's tactically naive but can't explain how and are just negative without considering the context and the circumstance we've been in this season.
Ole only needs to bring in 2-3 better players or players at the same level as the Brunos greenwoods etc this summer and move on the deadwood, and he has already made the squad better. Next season should be concentrated on getting 3rd with a couple of games left as a minimum, which I think is achievable, bar 3-4 key injuries all at the same time. If we had started the season like we have played since Bruno arrived, which probably would have happened, we would have been chasing City for 2nd.
Ole will never be a winning machine like a Klopp or a Pep or a prime Mourinho.
As much as I like him, I am convinced that if United want to make that big leap from being "one of those top four English sides" to being "that top English side" he has to make way for someone else.
If United secure the top four, he can be given one more year; if United finish outside the top-four, he has to go right away.
As much as I like him, I am convinced that if United want to make that big leap from being "one of those top four English sides" to being "that top English side" he has to make way for someone else.
If United secure the top four, he can be given one more year; if United finish outside the top-four, he has to go right away.
Not sure who that winning machine is though. That is part why I would give him one more year. Then we can identify the right manager.
I think Allegri could be, but he has a more boring style. Doubt it would be Poch. Getting a manager from a weaker side is a risk too.
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I guess it's my turn to take a shift with one of my last posts of the day then, since you seemed to have missed the conversation here recently.
What makes you say that? How are you so sure that he can never be a serial winner?
He's instilling positive attacking football in the club. As long as we keep recycling players and get some more quality in, and keep drilling the players to get used to his systems, like the high press playing out from the back as now. We make some mistakes right now but so did liverpool when they started playing that way.
If these things progress as they have so far under Ole there's nothing saying right now that he can't make us a serial winning team again!
The work being done developing the talent in the club is extraordinary. Marcus Rashford, Anthony Martial and Mason Greenwood are all three having by far their best season ever in football.
We all knew that this rebuild was going to be a bumpy road that will take time. The club literally told the fans that before the season started. They told everyone ahead of time and many still don't want to be patient.
To use a dumb analogy:
"We're sending you this letter to notify to that the road will be under construction and difficult to drive on the next year"
"WhY is ThE ROAd difficCulT tO DriVE On?!?!" - Driver - 2 months later
We've thrown out so many first team players and introduced new ones. 2020 Manchester United competes for the Premier League title. New improved Manchester United in 2021 competes for the title.
We've been on a steep progressionpath for the past 6 months that somehow appears to be overlooked, and even overshadowed with a "yeah but what if we get <insert successful manager of smaller club> instead" as if that is the answer. Everyone are looking for the next Klopp, while ignoring the guy who's currently (without comparison outside of that) following Sir Alex's progression curve in Manchester United.
The club will have a shortlist of managers that they are keeping an eye on, they always do. Not so much for the sake of hiring someone but like with players, the board won't be dumbfounded if something happens and the manager has to leave. Be it results, personal reasons, reading some of the comments on the Caf that made him want to never go back to England.
Gauging how far he'll take us is done when the team stops progressing. We have not stopped progressing, and there is nothing anywhere that suggests we are stopping progressing for seasons to come.
This is the youngest regular starting team in the Premier League, it's only going to go one way.
Sure he's made some mistakes, like humans tend to do. But I'm willing to forgive mistakes as they're part of a development curve. All managers make mistakes, all the time. You think Pep gets it right all the time?
On the back of the best period we've had since Ole took charge of the club, it's a really weird time to not get fully behind the manager and want him to succeed at all costs.
Because we’re a hugely improved team in what we were beforehand. Open your eyes and watch a game.
Knee jerk is effectively calling for his head after one minor setback, considering the run we are currently on. And generally yes you should shut up after 10 games unbeaten.
I mean in-vogue as in some trophyless wonder who’s career highlight in the league was losing a two-horse race to Leicester.
Corrected it for you...
Works for me
That should slow this thread down a little.
At least until the FA Cup semi on Sunday when Ole plays a weakened team and we lose the game.
At least until the FA Cup semi on Sunday when Ole plays a weakened team and we lose the game.
Buzzing, reminded me of the Fergie days during the final games of the run in where we had to win. Nervy games but a win is a win. Love it
Yeah loved that tonight, tough game, but that makes it all the more sweet when you grab that win in the end.
These lads are growing all the time, getting that resilience back in the team is vital for us developing into a team that can go on and win the big prizes.
We didn't play that well today. Won so that is good. Lets see if we can be fresh for Chelsea.
Thank feck this thread is dead quiet. Long may it stay like this.
Back to Jose ball. Thank good for the Martial and Rashford.
We are creating chances so not exactly Jose ball.
We won games under Jose did we not? At least for two seasons. It was not always pretty, but we created chances then.
I am fine with getting the ugly wins, but want to see us killing games when we need too.
Thank God Ole has been coaching these boys into the deadly strike force that they have become.
Undeafeted for 19 games or so, can win europa league and FA cup. And some want him sacked.
Wow
Wow
Thank god he trusts them you mean! These guys have been ballers for years. Did you forget about them under LVG.
Yes, and they have reached another level since then with some great coaching. Great to see. Hopefully they keep this up and we get the top 4, fa cup and Europa leauge in Ole's first full season as manager.
They’ve reached another level because they are bloody good players.. Which is why they still had moments of brilliance even under Borinho. Long live then though. We’ll need them to get top 4.
I want his babies again :P
Yes and they'd be performing just as well if we had a sack of spuds in the manager's chair
We already do.Yes and they'd be performing just as well if we had a sack of spuds in the manager's chair
Would you give credit to Fergie for Ronaldo? Or for the 1991 generation?
So Klopp had nothing to do with Liverpool winning - he just had bloody good players.....
Nobody is disputing the last 19 games or so, but the season started in 2019 and ends in 2020. The damage was done last year and we are for example not even close to matching Mourinho’s first season, even with a much better team in place. Goals? We’ll end up right around the same amount of goals scored, although I’ll stop comparing apples and oranges right away. Last year, great start and woeful finish - where is the consistency when things are going worse? Our lowest level needs to be much higher than it is, Solskjær doesn’t seem to manage this scenario very well.
I have enjoyed watching United since the re-start and we have very good players, but is Solskjær really the one to guide this pool of talent the next few years? My answer is big no, we could do so much better with a professional manager. Right now I am seeing great players beating lesser players because they are... much better, but I see few signs of a gameplan and attacking patters that’s there because of the manager. The Soton-game showed us exactly that, when plan A goes to shit and we have tired players, there was no shock effect from the manager to correct standings.
There's no rationale for thinking Ole should be sacked from our performances this season. We're clearly improving and are still in with a chance of achieving any realistic expectations that could've been set at the start of the season. A few disappointing results with a young side with weak squad depth is inevitable, to expect otherwise is ridiculous.
Imagine if 1 in 5 had their way and Ole was sacked tomorrow, it would be an absolute disaster. I want someone in that camp to talk me through how that would work.
Imagine if 1 in 5 had their way and Ole was sacked tomorrow, it would be an absolute disaster. I want someone in that camp to talk me through how that would work.
1. Fitness last season was the issue, we ran out of juice at the end, that's on Jose not Ole.
2. Agreed that when we play badly we need to be able to grind out the wins, we managed that last night but failed against Southampton (although we were only 2mins away from getting the win).
3. Professional Manager?
4. I see plenty of signs of a gameplan, we're scoring beautiful goals on a regular basis, we're keeping clean sheets on a regular basis. That's not luck and nor is it down to good players being good.
5. You clearly are ignoring the last 19 games by having a pop at the Manager.
Open question: if you were Ole, would you be offended by the bolded statement or simply laugh it off?
Loved Rashford's reaction after scoring.
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