Remember when José said Rashford & Martial couldn't play together?

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Jose is an idiot but i will admit i was unsure if both Rashford and Martial could score twenty goals each and happy to be proven wrong.
the season is far from over - 5 league games, 2 games in the cup and Europa league remains. Both can get 25, with Greenwood 20 and Bruno 10
 

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I could understand Mourinho’s reluctance to use both of them when Zlatan was here as it was just their 2nd season at the top level. However, him using this as an excuse to justify Lukaku starting every game was just plain wrong. These two have more technical ability in their little fingers than Lukaku does in his whole body. What’s worse, I’m certain there was a story about Lukaku mentoring Marcus and Tony on how to finish :lol: So glad we are rid of both him and the Toxic One now.
 

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It was 2 or 3 years ago, and I would agree with him that playing them together back then was difficult. Times have changed now and they have both developed as players.
Yet 2 seasons prior Van Gaal managed to played them together just fine when they were even younger. Mourinho just tanked badly with both Martial and Rashford.
 

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I could understand Mourinho’s reluctance to use both of them when Zlatan was here as it was just their 2nd season at the top level. However, him using this as an excuse to justify Lukaku starting every game was just plain wrong. These two have more technical ability in their little fingers than Lukaku does in his whole body. What’s worse, I’m certain there was a story about Lukaku mentoring Marcus and Tony on how to finish :lol: So glad we are rid of both him and the Toxic One now.
Tbf Lukaku was a more accomplished finisher at that point, and finishing is one of his stronger suites. But yeah, Mourinho was too obstinate to try something different, Lukaku was his signing and Rash and Martial were LVG players.
 

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Martial, Pogba and Shaw are players that probably wouldn’t be here anymore if we stuck with Jose any longer. Nuts really.

Might be imagining things but I think Rashford was also linked with Barca at the time.
Not only linked, he agreed to join them but pulled out when he got cold feet in 2018.
 

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it always sends shivers down my spine when I remember that this bitter man got to spend two and a half years at this club, dividing fans and the dressing room alike with his toxic negativity. The man is done at the top level and has been for years.
 

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There should be a wall of all JM statements and sheep posts on CAF from days before he even became a United manager.
 

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There should be a wall of all JM statements and sheep posts on CAF from days before he even became a United manager.
I don’t think there is any shame in being positive about him becoming our manager off the back of Moyes and LvG.

In fact, while he was here things were going okay until season 2 at the very least.
 

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There should be a wall of all JM statements and sheep posts on CAF from days before he even became a United manager.
"Get behind the manager, Will be here for years to come, gloryhunters, happened under fergie as well" and the worst "but what about Pep...". Turned us into the noisy neighbours
 

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He doesn't know how to coach attackers. He always rely on world class & top class attackers. Remember when he mentioned that you can't work on your finishing, you're born with it. While Ole said the opposite.
 

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I don’t think there is any shame in being positive about him becoming our manager off the back of Moyes and LvG.

In fact, while he was here things were going okay until season 2 at the very least.
There is difference between being positive and posting absolute mentalist stuff, making U-turn and similar. Examples regarding youth, playing favorites (Ivanovic was used as example) etc. Stuff posted during his tenure, wont even mention, that was next level
 

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There is difference between being positive and posting absolute mentalist stuff, making U-turn and similar. Examples regarding youth, playing favorites (Ivanovic was used as example) etc. Stuff posted during his tenure, wont even mention, that was next level stuff.
Yeah well we can all move on now can't we. We're in a much better place now.
 

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He basically hates footballers. I honestly don't think he enjoys this anymore.
Couldn't agree more, nowadays he doesn't just settle for parking the bus, he regularly throws his players under it as soon as anything goes wrong.

Despite Ndombele looking unbothered/off the pace on a few occasions, I'm completely unsurprising about the rumors that he doesn't want to play for him anymore.

Who'd want to play for a manager who hangs you out to dry publicly at the first sign of a mistake.
 

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Remember when Rash/Martial were competing for the left wing role, and both playing quite well, and Jose brought in Sanchez instead?

Shambolic management
 

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If there’s one thing I hope we gained as a fanbase from Jose’s time here, it’s the rabid “The manager is never wrong and any issue is everyone but the manager’s fault” mentality that large portions of our fanbase adopt, is not a good thing, it does not make you a good fan and quite often just makes things worse. We mock him all we want now, but at the time there were large sections of our fanbase who agreed with what he said here.

We do a lot of things well as a fanbase, but the cult like devotion we have to our managers needs to stop.
 

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Jose was right about some things, but ultimately got too much wrong here. He was never a good fit, and his harsh treatment of Rashford and Martial, two of the brightest talents in the game at that time, was poor.

Always felt like Sevilla away was the game when I lost faith in Jose completely. At least we had a go in the return leg, the first leg was anti-football at its finest. If he was still here, Martial would be gone, Rashford possibly, and Greenwood still in the U23. Scary when you look at it like that.
 

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It's been a hard crash landing back to reality for good ol' Jose. He'll be lucky to get another job at a top club.
 

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Mourinho is past it. He would only look at Rashford and Martial as left wingers, so it was one or the other in his eyes. He couldn't see that Martial should be a striker...

With DeBruyne he couldn't vision him as a central midfielder. In his eye, a player like him can only be a winger...

If Mourinho managed Barcelona I can guarantee you that Iniesta and Xavi wouldn't have been the players they were because Mourinho would have only played them on the wing because they wouldn't have been big enough to be central midfielders.

The man is past it. Way past it. Can you imagine what it must be like to be a Tottenham supporter right now? Imagine having Pocheittino as your manager and then firing him so they you could bring in Mourinho instead....wow
 
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Well, for the first time since the 2010-11 season, in which Berbatov scored 21 goals and Chicharito scored 20, we have two players who've scored at least 20 goals the same season.

Not bad considering they can't play together.
Soon would be three I reckon.
 

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Remember when Rash/Martial were competing for the left wing role, and both playing quite well, and Jose brought in Sanchez instead?

Shambolic management
Mourinho was just a poor fit for this football club.

He was always going to focus more on stop gap short fixes (Ibra), physicality /mechanical function (Lukaku), experience/established players (Sanchez), defensive shape and tracking back, sitting off teams, etc than we as a club want or need to.
 

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He also called Pogba a virus.... Seems like he was the virus all along.
 

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Thinking about it, Jose really has no other way of playing attackers.

All he sees is defensive qualities from his attackers that will merit their place in the first team. He really love tracking back runs first rather than attacking qualities.
Pragmatism made him old fashioned.
 

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I don't think it was, a very large amount of fans actually turned against the players and were even giddy because we finished second. They then blamed everyone from the players to Woodward, made up this strange narrative where United didn't spent money and that Mourinho had not been financially backed.
This is correct. There is still something wrong with our fanbase which hasn't been addressed yet. It's that weird unhealthy relationship they have with whoever the manager is. It's like whoever the manager is far more important than the club itself.

At any other self respecting big club (think Madrid, Barcelona or Juventus) Mourinho wouldn't have got within 10 miles of the city without fearing for his safety after that press conference. Yet our fans elevated him into some kind of saviour everytime he took a shit on the club and it's heritage.
 

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Imagine we would be in Chelsea shoes having kdb and salah playing elsewhere both winning trophies like they have

Chelsea would be in a much better shape than they are now with salah and kdb... We would now be playing perisic, lukaku and lingard instead of martial, rashford and greenwood

Toxic toxic manager that destroys dressing rooms, players confidence and splits fanbases

Good riddance.... Must say levy has really put the boot into Tottenham fans by hiring that man I feel sorry for the Tottenham fans
 

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Just shows you where Jose is in terms of attacking players these days. Not a fecking clue.
 

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Thankfully all UTD fans knew he was talking shite.. didn't we?
Unfortunately not! Some ate up José's bull.

Thing is, it's not even just about their goals. Their link-up play and understanding with one another is some of the best in world football, and José refused to play them together.
 

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Anyone got some statistical analysis of how they compare to Cole and Yorke in terms of assists? It feels like it could be a special partnership for the next five years and back to the top!
 

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Did he say that?

I don't recall that. I thought he said Martial and Rashford don't play instead of Lukaku, because of what he thought Lukaku offers.