Get over it, Chelsea is fitter

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Champ said:
I play for two teams, I train three times a week and play two games a week.
I also work 40 hours a week and have two kids.
I also play just outside semi professional tier so it's a decent standard.
So please, don't lecture me on fitness. Thanks.
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...okay,

So muscle soreness won't affect performances?
 

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meamth said:
Don't care we lost that, it was fecking unfair at the first place.

The pressing from them is too obvious to see.

Move on.
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Also played v Nowich where they took the last 45 mins off.
It was all against us
 

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No Ole's a wanker. Changing the fecking formation in an FA Cup Semi Final. A fecking back 5, I couldn't believe it. We should have gone at them from minute one, and not play like spineless cowards.
 

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Meh. Chelsea were better than us. Had a better gameplan, and clearly the players were more motivated. Lampard did his homework and pressed us where we didn't want them to.
 

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We couldn't handle Chelsea's press because of tiredness. We couldn't press like that ourselves because of tiredness. Saying we should have played a full team of reserves, fair. Saying the whole team is terrible and Ole is clueless, ridiculous.
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Never said the team is terrible or that Ole is clueless,
Merely stated the players that started couldn't handle the press, it has nowt to do with tiredness at all.
Why not go long? We went long two or three times in the game and created a chance every time, instead we persisted in playing out from the back every time.
Once again, nowt to do with tiredness.
 

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Champ said:
Never said the team is terrible or that Ole is clueless,
Merely stated the players that started couldn't handle the press, it has nowt to do with tiredness at all.
Why not go long? We went long two or three times in the game and created a chance every time, instead we persisted in playing out from the back every time.
Once again, nowt to do with tiredness.
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We did go long. Did you watch the game?
 

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...okay,

So muscle soreness won't affect performances?
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If looked after correctly? No.
Hence the multitude of physio's, masseur's and conditioning coaches a team like United has.
Seriously, this tiredness excuse has to stop. It's giving the team a get out of jail free card for playing the same amount of games as Chelsea in the same amount of time period.
 

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If looked after correctly? No.
Hence the multitude of physio's, masseur's and conditioning coaches a team like United has.
Seriously, this tiredness excuse has to stop. It's giving the team a get out of jail free card for playing the same amount of games as Chelsea in the same amount of time period.
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It's not a free get out of jail card, for me it's reasonably stated here from the manager himself that it's unfair for United.

I hope the masseurs have some black magic to tend the muscles if you want to say we didn't have a world class recovery team, compared to Chelsea.

You say no excuse, but deep down, do you actually think, Bruno, Rashford, AWB can be that fecking inept to misplace a simple pass? Just think about it.

GK error is one thing, but the team performance as a whole, is full of tiredness.
 

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meamth said:
I'm not happy.

Felt we should spank Chelsea.
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meamth said:
I'm not happy.

Felt we should spank Chelsea.
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Yes we should be beating Chelsea but their is alot of blame to go around, not just solskjaer, De Gea was brutal along with Maguire and James. Also a ref who does not book a team who fouls 21 times several dangerous tackles high and from behind
 

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I feel as though Chelsea were due a performance where everyone was on it and we were due a poor one given how we’ve been starting pretty much the same XI for ages now and we have such poor squad depth.

That said we started to come alive later on and we were already well out the game then due to stupid fecking mistakes. We need a centre half and we may need to change our goalkeeper.
 

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meamth said:
It's not a free get out of jail card, for me it's reasonably stated here from the manager himself that it's unfair for United.

I hope the masseurs have some black magic to tend the muscles if you want to say we didn't have a world class recovery team, compared to Chelsea.

You say no excuse, but deep down, do you actually think, Bruno, Rashford, AWB can be that fecking inept to misplace a simple pass? Just think about it.

GK error is one thing, but the team performance as a whole, is full of tiredness.
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Look, I'm not daft enough to think that fatigue isn't a small factor, but to say it's the only factor is embarrassing and quite frankly wrong.
They are well conditioned athletes, a simple pass is natural to them, the mistakes today were forced mistakes, not mistakes down to fatigue.
Think of it as a tennis game, Federer doesn't often misplace a backhand, even at the end of a 15 game set, the percentage of backhanded shots that stay in remains relatively constant, the mistakes he makes are forced errors, ie, from a spin or drop shot or other winning forehand smash.
Now change the sport, and the forced errors become misplaced passes due to high pressure and things start to make more sense...
 

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Fitter? They've rotated a lot more and they had more rest. We've been running on empty for the last 5 games now. It's a management issue.
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It's a squad depth issue actually. We cannot win games with our backup players. We've only just got our first team able to win consistently. But it is running them into the ground.
 

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It's a squad depth issue actually. We cannot win games with our backup players. We've only just got our first team able to win consistently. But it is running them into the ground.
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Yes. And it's a management issue to not be aware of the need to prioritise because of said lack of depth.
 

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It's a squad depth issue actually. We cannot win games with our backup players. We've only just got our first team able to win consistently. But it is running them into the ground.
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But Chelsea played their first 11 bar Pulisic. Our fringe players were never going to get that job done no matter who we had.
Plus we did actually rotate today, dont forget.
 

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Champ said:
I play for two teams, I train three times a week and play two games a week.
I also work 40 hours a week and have two kids.
I also play just outside semi professional tier so it's a decent standard.
So please, don't lecture me on fitness. Thanks.
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You would think professional athletes could cope after 3 months rest. Like when people say players are tired at the beginning of the season in October because they played a few matches in a week. Tiredness is only a factor if you lose. If you get the result it's a non thought
 

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Champ said:
Never said the team is terrible or that Ole is clueless,
Merely stated the players that started couldn't handle the press, it has nowt to do with tiredness at all.
Why not go long? We went long two or three times in the game and created a chance every time, instead we persisted in playing out from the back every time.
Once again, nowt to do with tiredness.
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Not you, just picked your quote to generally moan at that. They couldn't handle it just like vs Southampton. We should have just gone long, that's fair. Especially against Southampton, why we didn't go long to Rashford vs KWP for a bit I don't know.

But I do still think a large part of it was tiredness. To me, those sloppy passes time and time again, just look like the tired passes you make when your muscles are feeling it.
 

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Depends on if the original poster is writing in British or American English. In British English, teams are as you say, plural, rather than singular - however, singular verb for a collective noun is used in American English
 

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Whats up with Ighalo? He looked so good whenever he played. I think he could have done a job today tbh. Maybe even Mata.
 

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Is Chelsea's depth far better or do they have a stronger set up which is less reliant on individual brilliance (of which we have more)?
 

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Or the depth in the squad isn't good enough, hence we can't trust the fringe players to get the job done.
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I agree with this idea, our squad depth is not all that. No one can step off the bench and get the starter spot from the XI. Grealish and Sancho will help this cause.
 

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meamth said:
Don't care we lost that, it was fecking unfair at the first place.

The pressing from them is too obvious to see.

Move on.
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What a useless post, opinion masquerading as fact.

Try running a foot race with someone of equal calibar with 48 hours of lesser rest
 

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We just don't have the squad to keep up with this congested fixture list, and we haven't had any luck with the fixtures either. Southampton, Palace and Chelsea all had at least a day's more rest than us before our fixtures. West Ham and Leicester will also be substantially well rested compared to us before we play them.
 

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Bastian said:
Fitter? They've rotated a lot more and they had more rest. We've been running on empty for the last 5 games now. It's a management issue.
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Lampard rotated his XI since the re-start everytime he lost games or players failed to perform. As soon as he lost to West Ham, he benched Rudiger & Alonso. As soon as he lost to Sheffield, he benched Christensen & James. As soon as Abraham & Barkley aren't performing, he dropped them. Both Kante & Kovacic have been missing few games due to injuries during the restart.

It's just coincidence that his players under-performed or inconsistent during the re-start which forced him to rotate. Since the restart, they lost two games and the rest of their games have been very closed score.

On the other hand. We've been performing in consistent basis, getting good result, smashing teams & players were performing. Rotation is required but it's understandable for Ole to think it's better to play the same XI who are performing very well.

Yesterday we made half rotation which also make sense for the decision since fully rotation means we are throwing it away. Unfortunately, schedule didn't favour us and our regular players were all exhausted which affect the whole players on the pitch as a team.
 

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I’m sure someone posted a study about recovery times in the Europa League thread ages ago. It basically said that 24 hours extra recovery is an advantage and 48 hours is huge.

It wasn’t the only factor though, we’d been spawning a lot of wins with those tactics earlier in the season, it was bound to catch up with us at some point. No teams play five at the back with three actual centre backs any more. Adding to that the full backs were so easy to pin back and isolate.
 

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As much as I would have loved an FA Cup final - this was the least important game. We win (or even draw) on wednesday, I don't care about this result.
 

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Champ said:
I play for two teams, I train three times a week and play two games a week.
I also work 40 hours a week and have two kids.
I also play just outside semi professional tier so it's a decent standard.
So please, don't lecture me on fitness. Thanks.
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So you're not a sports scientist or fitness expert....
 
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