So what we pay some 300k a week for the next 5 years to be our number 2 keeper? We have to at least try and see if he can push through this before it comes to that.
Does Ole have it in him to drop De Gea for the last 2 PL games?
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No. Despite how good he has been in team building since his arrival, dropping DeGea seems beyond him. I really cannot think as to why this is, considering how good of a goalkeeper Sergio Romero is.
Ole should not drop DDG in these last two games. If anything that would create an extreme pressure on Romero and the rest of the team. Right now the best thing to do is to keep everybody calm and not create unnecessary distractions. Supporters, management and team mates should give our keeper their best support until the season is over. Help him find confidence and give him unconditional support. That’s the way to go.
After the season it’s time to evaluate DDG and his long term future at this club. In my opinion it’s 50/50. Romero isn’t the answer and Henderson is still young and inexperienced. Doing mistakes with Sheffield United is one thing, doing the same mistakes with us is a completely different ball game.
If DDG is home sick and willing to drop his wage demands maybe AM or similar is willing to do business. Who knows. Future will tell. Otherwise he will probably stay another season or two.
After the season it’s time to evaluate DDG and his long term future at this club. In my opinion it’s 50/50. Romero isn’t the answer and Henderson is still young and inexperienced. Doing mistakes with Sheffield United is one thing, doing the same mistakes with us is a completely different ball game.
If DDG is home sick and willing to drop his wage demands maybe AM or similar is willing to do business. Who knows. Future will tell. Otherwise he will probably stay another season or two.
Against other teams our issues at the back have been mitigated by how good we are going forward. You score 1, we score 2 - so if your keeper lets in a howler, or your central defender has a brain fart you're less likely to care (you still do - but you get my point); it's only when the margins are razor thin, like against Chelsea at the weekend that an individual error can let you down.
My point is that I think he'll start David against West Ham and Leicester hoping that we get more decent chances at goal against those teams than we did in the cup against Chelsea.
My point is that I think he'll start David against West Ham and Leicester hoping that we get more decent chances at goal against those teams than we did in the cup against Chelsea.
ditto.
Agreed with above. dropping him now just makes a big issue that we don't need.
DDG messed up and i'm sure he will be feeling it just as much as we are. He knows he needs to do better and Ole has definitely made it clear.
If we can't rely on him in these last 2 matches then he will have no choice but to replace him, but we keep the faith for now.
We know how good he can be, he just needs to keep concentrated and motivated.
DDG messed up and i'm sure he will be feeling it just as much as we are. He knows he needs to do better and Ole has definitely made it clear.
If we can't rely on him in these last 2 matches then he will have no choice but to replace him, but we keep the faith for now.
We know how good he can be, he just needs to keep concentrated and motivated.
No, we drop him for 2 games.
Then he gets the Europa to show he’s back in form.
2 games doesn’t equal forever like some of you seem to think.
We should stick with DDG for the next two PL games, as he will have a point to prove.
But we certainly should play only Romero for the europa league, even if we get to the final. I feel Sergio has earned that right
But we certainly should play only Romero for the europa league, even if we get to the final. I feel Sergio has earned that right
I have no clue what the manager should do really...Should we keep picking him and just hope that he plays his way through this rough patch?Or should we take him out of the firing line and let him start afresh next season?Will dropping him aid him or will it hurt his confidence?I really don’t know the answers,hopefully the manager handles this right...
I”ve just seen his presser and he was quite terse and testy when it came to questions about De Gea.No wholehearted support or endorsement...We”ll have to wait and see what he does tomorrow...
I”ve just seen his presser and he was quite terse and testy when it came to questions about De Gea.No wholehearted support or endorsement...We”ll have to wait and see what he does tomorrow...
So we should leave the hopes in a player just 1 season before lost us top four and looks like he's on track to have similar situation happen?
Dropping DeGea for the final two games would be pretty foolish imo. He is still a fantastic goalkeeper and it's very likely he will go into these games with something to drive him on and rectify these mistakes.
You can be damn sure that Ole has gone through him for a shortcut behind the scenes and that for me is enough.
Do we have a big decision to make over DeGea this summer? Yes, without a doubt, we need to weigh up our options given Henderson' performances. Personally, if we got a good bid for him this summer I would let him leave, re-invest the money elsewhere and give Henderson his chance but I don't see that happening with Dave's wages. I think the most likely situation is one more year of Henderson on loan to Sheffield United and a final year for DeGea at Old Trafford.
You can be damn sure that Ole has gone through him for a shortcut behind the scenes and that for me is enough.
Do we have a big decision to make over DeGea this summer? Yes, without a doubt, we need to weigh up our options given Henderson' performances. Personally, if we got a good bid for him this summer I would let him leave, re-invest the money elsewhere and give Henderson his chance but I don't see that happening with Dave's wages. I think the most likely situation is one more year of Henderson on loan to Sheffield United and a final year for DeGea at Old Trafford.
I think if he's dropped, Romero stays in unless he looks more suspect.
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Yes. It's not like he's making these mistakes EVERY game, the last time was Everton?
Putting in Romero now when he hasn't played in a while will just cause unneccesary confusion and cause disharmony in the team.
If he screws up again against West Ham then he will have no choice to drop him against Leicester.
I have faith in DDG to sort these issues out, he still ended up making 2 good saves after his mistake at Chelsea so he didn't completely fall apart, but obviously the timing of the error is what hurt the most.
Dropping De Gea is dangerous for a number of reasons.
We all know he was a great goalkeeper, how many other goalkeepers have won player of the season on more than one occasion for a top club? He’s won it 3 time’s, I believe this is more than anyone else. We all know what we want from him but he’s not at the races at the moment.
If we drop him we have to be sure he is not capable of getting that form back, which means we should sell him and by dropping him you are cutting his value which is already a lot lower than it was a few years back. He’s also on £375k a week meaning very few clubs can buy him.
What do we then do? Bring in Henderson who could probably do with another season at Sheffield utd? If not do we buy another keeper who will keep Henderson out for even longer. It doesn’t feel like the right time for all this to happen, we need De Gea to get some form back for one more season.
We all know he was a great goalkeeper, how many other goalkeepers have won player of the season on more than one occasion for a top club? He’s won it 3 time’s, I believe this is more than anyone else. We all know what we want from him but he’s not at the races at the moment.
If we drop him we have to be sure he is not capable of getting that form back, which means we should sell him and by dropping him you are cutting his value which is already a lot lower than it was a few years back. He’s also on £375k a week meaning very few clubs can buy him.
What do we then do? Bring in Henderson who could probably do with another season at Sheffield utd? If not do we buy another keeper who will keep Henderson out for even longer. It doesn’t feel like the right time for all this to happen, we need De Gea to get some form back for one more season.
So what? It’s a pointless disruption that would likely result in De Gea being scapegoated. It could cause irrevocable damage to the relationship at a time where we don’t have a definite no brainer better keeper to hand. Henderson’s best season has been this one but anybody expecting him to maintain a 8+ exp goals season on season would be asking him to perform better than any GK in PL history.
We will get three points with De Gea in goal. He won’t be the one to cost us a match again from now until the end of the season I would put money on it.
It’s different leaving out an outfield player as injuries, fatigue etc are all valid reasons. Dropping your No1 in the most important last 2 games of the season is a sign of no faith and ruins him IMO.
Ederson has made similar mistakes to De Gea some worse as has Allison when dithering on the ball? They still come out with absolute howlers.
There isn’t an advantage to having a goalkeeper come off his line unless your system promotes it which ours absolutely does not. We delay attacks and don’t press high enough to warrant someone like those two.
We still defend through delaying attacks so we can be a unit and very rarely are we ever caught in behind on the turn. I can’t think of many If any examples this season where De Gea should have swept.
Let’s say though that is what you want which GK can we buy that will do that job? And are they definitely worth the money and better than De Gea?
We’ve been indulging him and his fragile confidence for two years. Now he is damaging our fragile confidence and it will cost us points again.
Time for Ole to do what Fergie did with Jim Leighton.
Time for Ole to do what Fergie did with Jim Leighton.
i'm not sure dropping a player we have committed too as been our best-paid goalkeeper for the next 5 years for the final 2 crucial games of the season is the best way to help him, it could make the situation worse
Well that's it, if we had a keeper comfortable with the ball we wouldn't delay attacks and maybe we could press better as a team. Also what about high balls, even when it's on the plate David just stays on the line although a ball should be his and he should sweep away everyone in front and near him. That's basic stuff and something every modern keeper should do. Dangerous corner or cross shouldn't be dangerous every time if your keeper deals with it when he can.
Good points and well made. I’ve got nothing to counter so I agree.
Glad to have this conversation.
Saying all this I think ultilmately he shouldn't be dropped for the final 2 games but his situation needs to be adressed ahead of next season.
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Exactly this. Take him out for a few games. Just like Lampard did with Kepa.
I still don't know why De Gea was playing at Wembley?
If you're going to play your second choice keeper in the Cup competitions, stick to your plan, especially now, when we're playing every 72 hours and the League position has clearly now become the priority.
The whole team selection on Sunday was muddled thinking.
On the specific subject of De Gea, I've said for 12 months or more now that he should have been dropped. But as many have pointed out, now is not the right time to do so.
De Gea's shortcomings shouldn't mask the fact our defence on Sunday were absolutely atrocious.
At one point Maguire was jogging back looking inside when the ball had been played to his left with Willian sprinting in on goal. He was completely oblivious for what seemed like an eternity.
I found the whole episode comical, before sobbing into my hands when i remembered how much we paid.
If you're going to play your second choice keeper in the Cup competitions, stick to your plan, especially now, when we're playing every 72 hours and the League position has clearly now become the priority.
The whole team selection on Sunday was muddled thinking.
On the specific subject of De Gea, I've said for 12 months or more now that he should have been dropped. But as many have pointed out, now is not the right time to do so.
De Gea's shortcomings shouldn't mask the fact our defence on Sunday were absolutely atrocious.
At one point Maguire was jogging back looking inside when the ball had been played to his left with Willian sprinting in on goal. He was completely oblivious for what seemed like an eternity.
I found the whole episode comical, before sobbing into my hands when i remembered how much we paid.
Europa belongs to Romero, it would be truly unfair to take even that away from him
This is a really tough decision for Ole and it's one I wouldn't like to have to make. I think they still plan on De Gea being first choice next season with Henderson being a genuine option to replace him the season after.
For the last 2 league games, it's a tough call. Romero made a bad mistake at Norwich too so he's not in great form. It's telling he wasn't chosen for the cup semi final.
Normally I'd back De Gea to keep his place but West Ham with their giants will bombard him aerially. I'd love De Gea to play and have an outstanding game but he seems a broken man at the moment.
For the last 2 league games, it's a tough call. Romero made a bad mistake at Norwich too so he's not in great form. It's telling he wasn't chosen for the cup semi final.
Normally I'd back De Gea to keep his place but West Ham with their giants will bombard him aerially. I'd love De Gea to play and have an outstanding game but he seems a broken man at the moment.
I too don’t understand why Romero wasn’t in goal for the cup.
It is weird asking for Romero to replace De Gea in league to prove a point. Romero may or may not make the mistake De Gea did in the cup, but he is surely not going to make the saves that De Gea pulls off. Even in the Chelsea game, there was a deflected ball, suddenly changing direction, which De Gea swatted it off. Romero is not going to do that.
The other side of the argument is that nobody is gonna be on the edge of their seats for 90 mins just because our keeper might make a mistake. The strikers won't be disheartened that their keeper slipped up despite their efforts and our defenders will be assured that we have a keeper in net who is physical.
Do we go with a sometimes very good keeper who is prone to a mistake with a fragile level of concentration
Or
Someone who isn't as good, is in a better place mentally, can bring assurity and stability to our defence.
Exactly this.
I keep saying but Sealey was absolutely not the keeper Leighton was, but his mental state was so much better ahead of that replay.
More often than not, his mistakes either lead to us losing or at best drawing. And in some very big games dating back last year. We keep thinking he'll come good but mistakes keep happening.
So we keep him in because he makes a lot of money and ignore the potential risks in playing him in very important matches that we cant afford to have goalkeeping mistakes in? We need to put aside the sentiments and accept the fact that as much as he was helping us gain points in seasons past, he's actually losing us points and potential trophies now.
He has cost us in some very big games. Yes he was great years ago but something is wrong. He needs some time off.
So we keep him in because he makes a lot of money and ignore the potential risks in playing him in very important matches that we cant afford to have goalkeeping mistakes in? We need to put aside the sentiments and accept the fact that as much as he was helping us gain points in seasons past, he's actually losing us points and potential trophies now.
He has cost us in some very big games. Yes he was great years ago but something is wrong. He needs some time off.
Why should he? Players who don't play become world class for members of Redcafe
What is all this based on?
He’s 29, one of the highest, if not the highest, paid GK’s in the world; he needs to be sat v West Ham. Not only does it send a message to him, the rest of the squad see it too. We should handle West Ham without him, anyway.
It’ll give Ole a chance to see how DDG reacts to adversity. Does he sulk, whine and try to cause drama or does he show up for practice early, put his head down and fight to get focused again?
I still think he’s one of the best in the world but his mistakes are not through lack of ability, they’re through lack of focus; to me it seems if he has a split second too long to think about it, he f*cks up... If he’s making instinctual dives he’s generally ok. That horror show v Chelsea was quite remarkable considering he made some decent saves, too.
His over reliance on using his feet/legs to save rather than his hands/arms is also concerning; really bad habit he’s gotten into.
It’ll give Ole a chance to see how DDG reacts to adversity. Does he sulk, whine and try to cause drama or does he show up for practice early, put his head down and fight to get focused again?
I still think he’s one of the best in the world but his mistakes are not through lack of ability, they’re through lack of focus; to me it seems if he has a split second too long to think about it, he f*cks up... If he’s making instinctual dives he’s generally ok. That horror show v Chelsea was quite remarkable considering he made some decent saves, too.
His over reliance on using his feet/legs to save rather than his hands/arms is also concerning; really bad habit he’s gotten into.
I haven't had the time to read the entire thread so I don't know if it has been said.
But I would consider dropping him for Romero now just to save De Gea from all the pressure and media scrutiny if he was to make a single mistake more right now.
Like take De Gea aside and say Ole believes the best thing right now is for De Gea to take a break and focus on getting ready for the EL games. West Ham pose little threat attackingwise, and with Leicester short on players we should be able to numb their attack by doubling down on Vardy.
If Romero plays and makes a mistake that would almost be good (if it doesn't cost us anything). And David gets the EL games to prove to us that we don't need to bring Dean back yet.
But I would consider dropping him for Romero now just to save De Gea from all the pressure and media scrutiny if he was to make a single mistake more right now.
Like take De Gea aside and say Ole believes the best thing right now is for De Gea to take a break and focus on getting ready for the EL games. West Ham pose little threat attackingwise, and with Leicester short on players we should be able to numb their attack by doubling down on Vardy.
If Romero plays and makes a mistake that would almost be good (if it doesn't cost us anything). And David gets the EL games to prove to us that we don't need to bring Dean back yet.
He's literally always done this. It's one of the things that made him so good when he was on top of his game.
My eyes having seen him play for us in Cup games and some players reportedly are more comfortable with him instead of ddg
You mean like last season? Wonder how that turned out.
The reason we lost against Chelsea was because of individual mistakes and that we didn’t play good enough. Chelsea was better and hungrier. Plain and simple.
All of Lindelöf, Maguire and Williams made costly mistakes, not only De Gea.
If we are going to single out our goalie then what to do with Maguire and Lindelöf? Both of them has been horrendous the last two weeks. Two more games to go. We win and we lose as a team. On Monday is time to evaluate our squad and what to do.
All of Lindelöf, Maguire and Williams made costly mistakes, not only De Gea.
If we are going to single out our goalie then what to do with Maguire and Lindelöf? Both of them has been horrendous the last two weeks. Two more games to go. We win and we lose as a team. On Monday is time to evaluate our squad and what to do.
The last 2 years worth of evidence.