Keir Starmer Labour Leader

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In the middle of a national crisis he has no choice but to let the Tories control the narrative to a major degree. Any attempts to change the topic is completely unacceptable and if he engages in too overt an attack on the government at a time when they're still dealing with the pandemic is going to lead to a big backlash against Labour for 'putting politics above the national interest'. Starmer seems to be doing an excellent job so far of holding Boris' feet to the fire at PMQ's while projecting a calm, competent image to the country that contrasts well to Boris and his bumbling and dishonesty.

Restoring Labour to electability is going to take time, and anyone thinking he should be making radical steps right now is not thinking things all the way through. He's building a profile of a realistic Prime Ministerial candidate, letting the Tories have enough rope to hang themselves, and taking steps to remove Labour's rough edges and contentious positions. By the time this crisis ends they'll be seen as a serious party who can start laying out their own platform while stomping the Tories over their Corona failures and likely the failure of the Brexit strategy as it comes back to the forefront.

I really don't get this insistence on attacking Starmer from within right now, he's doing a good job in very difficult circumstances.
Good to read such a sensible and well reasoned input.
And I say this not just because I agree with it, but because it is quite correct.

The primary job of the Labour leader is to transform his party from one so unpopular as to have the worst election result in memory into one capable of winning the next election.

As such, he has a very delicate strategy to deploy.
Changing public opinion will take many months if not years.
And to use a motor racing adage, you cannot win on the first lap, but you can certainly loose.

I am perfectly happy with what he is doing.
 

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Sir Keir is a big improvement on Jezza, but the smartest thing he can do as leader of the opposition and four or more years out from a GE, is to keep a low profile and let Boris and his Pals waltz themselves into more problems. The moment Starmer intervenes then Boris uses him as a crutch to get up off the floor. Sir Keir needs to learn the 'rope a dope' Ali trick!
 

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Dr Rashford did some politics and got a result. The closest Sir Keith has got to a win, in his head anyway, is ensuring only the vast majority of migrants taxes don't qualify them for access to the NHS.
I’m sure he made a few U turns, the first one that comes to mind is when they were trying to force all of parliament to re-sit, pretty sure that pressure from him changed that, can’t think of the others.

I feel like he’s damned either way, he will get accused of making the virus political and look like the bad guy if he tries the Corbyn screaming tactic.
 

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It'd be nice if he at least set a good example on face masks.
 

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Starmer hasn't gone through the rigor of a sneering back-slapping opposition bench to silence at a PMQs yet. That was something Corbyn and Miliband both struggled. Corbyn was a wooden, witless speaker and Miliband a bit of a pushover. We'll see if Starmer has the quick feet to handle that because in these quiet exchanges with Johnson he is getting the upper hand. Johnson is lost without a crowd to play up to.
 

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Starmer hasn't gone through the rigor of a sneering back-slapping opposition bench to silence at a PMQs yet. That was something Corbyn and Miliband both struggled. Corbyn was a wooden, witless speaker and Miliband a bit of a pushover. We'll see if Starmer has the quick feet to handle that because in these quiet exchanges with Johnson he is getting the upper hand. Johnson is lost without a crowd to play up to.
There’s a weird fixation with how Starmer performs in PMQs and comparisons with his predecessors but it really matters very little. What % of the electorate would you wager will even watch one full PMQs from now until the next election? And the way TV condenses the whole thing into short clips on the news you never get a real sense of who “won” or how good/bad someone was. It’s a charade anyway, Starmer will deliver a credible point in his forensic but uncharismatic fashion, then Johnson with his cronies back will spit something about Marxism and Labour crashing the economy and the house will erupt in laughter and jeering. Rinse and repeat for 4 years.
 

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Six times? Ha, call that patriotism! I cried 13 times while stroking a biography of Churchill and sipping tea from my Queen Elizabeth II mug. I love my country very much.
 

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Six times? Ha, call that patriotism! I cried 13 times while stroking a biography of Churchill and sipping tea from my Queen Elizabeth II mug. I love my country very much.
ah yes, 2012 the good old days of David Cameron and George Osbourne.
 

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Both are acceptable, I prefer wept though. Typical of Jess Phillips to opt for the least desirable option.
Wait i thought if weep was used for tears then its wept if it's a leak or drainage then it's weeped. Which means that tweet... :nervous:
 

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Six times? Ha, call that patriotism! I cried 13 times while stroking a biography of Churchill and sipping tea from my Queen Elizabeth II mug. I love my country very much.
I fear, Jess, that's a mild breakdown and not patriotism.
 

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Taking a thread off topic
He's not Kanye West, that's for true. $1m paid for every newborn? That's straight out of the Corbyn playbook.
 

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He's not Kanye West, that's for true. $1m paid for every newborn? That's straight out of the Corbyn playbook.
Do you not think it's a bit of a leap to use something Kanye West said to criticise Corbyn in the Keir Starmer thread?
 

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Do you not think it's a bit of a leap to use something Kanye West said to criticise Corbyn in the Keir Starmer thread?
Have you not visited this thread recently? :lol: It's fun to poke the Corbynites here that are desperate to put Starmer down in order to find some semblance of credibility for their fallen Messiah.
 

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Starmer now for some reason demanding that Sturgeon condemn Alex Salmond for hosting an RT show - despite the fact that he's not an SNP member and despite the fact that she already publicly condemned him 3 years ago.
 

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Starmer now for some reason demanding that Sturgeon condemn Alex Salmond for hosting an RT show - despite the fact that he's not an SNP member and despite the fact that she already publicly condemned him 3 years ago.
That whole bit is bizarre.
 

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Starmer now for some reason demanding that Sturgeon condemn Alex Salmond for hosting an RT show - despite the fact that he's not an SNP member and despite the fact that she already publicly condemned him 3 years ago.
So opposed to the threat of foreign influence to UK democracy that his first piece as Labour leader was behind Rupert Murdoch's paywall
 

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So opposed to the threat of foreign influence to UK democracy that his first piece as Labour leader was behind Rupert Murdoch's paywall
At least we know who will actually be in charge if Starmer is PM.
 

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Ian McNichol is now suing the Labour Party. I guess he wants in on that easy settlement money.
 

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Ian McNichol is now suing the Labour Party. I guess he wants in on that easy settlement money.
Not only him
apparently 32 people.
Mr Lewis said the report had been “mischaracterised, misquoted “ and was “very factional”.

And he revealed: “There are 32 people who have instructed me to take action.

"Their actions are in respect to data breaches misuse of private information, libels — It's like an exam question for a libel lawyer to look through them and see how many claims you can find.”

He added: “Lord McNicol is one of the people who is taking action who has been named in the report.

“There are many other people who are named in the report, they come under different categories: people who work for the party, people who were in the party in in political positions.”

Mr Lewis said of the former Labour general secretary: “McNicol is named in the report and is blamed for things that simply didn't happen. It’s a mischaracterisation of a report which is being taken on.”
https://www.politicshome.com/news/a...ing-the-party-over-leaked-antisemitism-report

And wait till the EHRC report drops - potentially a huge amount of legal cases to come from that
 

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Rosie Duffield MP telling a person of ethnic minority that she will only defend them against racism if they never criticise her for anything, after attempting to orchestrate a twitter pile-on against said person.
 

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Rosie Duffield MP telling a person of ethnic minority that she will only defend them against racism if they never criticise her for anything, after attempting to orchestrate a twitter pile-on against said person.
Must be a hold up with the focus groups that's stopping Sir Keith from telling her to delete this.
 

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I know you are a far right guido fan so this is probably what you're aiming for, but it kind of comes off as a bit racist when you consistently derail discussions about other forms of racism in this way.
Over the course of a few years @sun_tzu's posts in Labour-related threads have consistently demonstrated a complete lack of interest in racism and antisemitism beyond how they can used against the left. It's depressingly predictable at this stage.
 

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Over the course of a few years @sun_tzu's posts in Labour-related threads have consistently demonstrated a complete lack of interest in racism and antisemitism beyond how they can used against the left. It's depressingly predictable at this stage.
He has such an unhealthy obsession with it, you get the impression he rubs his hands with glee every time he hears another story of alleged Jewish suffering. It’s a very perverse fixation. I hate the Tory party, but I’d genuinely be delighted if a credible independent body investigated them, say for Islamophobia, and found the problem was not as severe and systemic as it appears. That should be welcomed, not lamented that a chance to score a political point has gone.
 

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Largely the Sunak factor since he's been able to dish out handouts from the magic money tree. Dodds was an odd appointment for me and she'll be gone before the next election i reckon.
 

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The main thing to read into that is how ridiculously skewed our media and institutions are. The chasm between trusting the Tories with the economy v Labour simply would not exist if we had anything close to a democratic press system. Farcical really how entrenched the consensus is about Labour not being trusted with the economy. I’m too lazy to look but it’s even more bizarre when I bet austerity, the Tory’s flagship economic policy for the past decade, is viewed poorly by a substantial amount of the public.