Paul Pogba

Icemav · Jul 23, 2020

Strelok said:
Sorry but the wheels ? Tbh I don't get what you said.

And this horsesht of blaming coaching. Was he coached to not defend, to not press, to not tackle and to raise his hands in the penalty area?

And talent? Even fecking Lingard can press.

And if you watched the match yesterday and still say he cares a lot then I'm speechless. It's not like him being a leader or not. None ask him to do that despite being the one of highest paid, supposedly world class, WC winner etc he should have to in the first place. It's himself trying and doing feck all. How anyone cares could try nothing, he didn't even bother to press. Can you explain this ?

You lot of Pogba fanboys should stop protecting him at all cost like this. Say it as it is. It's those nonsense that got others to turn against him even more.

Don't bother calling people fanboys if you want to be taken seriously. Wheels coming off is a saying. Like the wheels coming off a car. Things fall apart.

What I am saying has much worse implications than Pogba not trying. Its that Pogba does not have the ability mentally.

Anyway most of my post was about the whole team, because the last few games we have been outhought and outfought and that happened across the pitch. I am not at all excusing Pogba being poor because of a lack of individual coaching..... though I think the team tactics have not worked against Southamptom, WHU and Chelsea. It wasn't Pogba singularly wrecking things. Not at all.

Now on that note I would calm down. Its just football and its just one player. The same player who rescued a great point for us against Spurs and was very effective in our record breaking run of victories. He is now demonstrating what is the problem for him as a player and also the team. We already know that Pogba isn't a leader and lacks footballing intelligence of the great players..... he can play many roles but throughout a season he would rather play in a floating midfield role where he isn't the heartbeat of a team, just the icing on top of a well made cake. Whether we can accommodate that moving forwards will be interesting.

Strelok · Jul 23, 2020

Icemav said:
Don't bother calling people fanboys if you want to be taken seriously. Wheels coming off is a saying. Like the wheels coming off a car. Things fall apart.

What I am saying has much worse implications than Pogba not trying. Its that Pogba does not have the ability mentally.

Anyway most of my post was about the whole team, because the last few games we have been outhought and outfought and that happened across the pitch. I am not at all excusing Pogba being poor because of a lack of individual coaching..... though I think the team tactics have not worked against Southamptom, WHU and Chelsea. It wasn't Pogba singularly wrecking things. Not at all.

Now on that note I would calm down. Its just football and its just one player. The same player who rescued a great point for us against Spurs and was very effective in our record breaking run of victories. He is now demonstrating what is the problem for him as a player and also the team. We already know that Pogba isn't a leader and lacks footballing intelligence of the great players..... he can play many roles but throughout a season he would rather play in a floating midfield role where he isn't the heartbeat of a team, just the icing on top of a well made cake. Whether we can accommodate that moving forwards will be interesting.

Explain to me, why last match he didn't even bother to press? To tackle? To try anything than those 5 yards pass to Matic?

While everyone else in the team worked their sock off. Why?

Icemav · Jul 23, 2020

Strelok said:
Explain to me, why last match he didn't even bother to press? To tackle? To try anything than those 5 yards pass to Matic?

While everyone else in the team worked their sock off. Why?

Don't know mate. I didn't realise everyone else tried really hard and Pogba didn't.

All I know is specifically these players played very badly: Lidelof, Williams, Rashford, Fosu Mensah.

The rest of the team played in a very stale manner. The passing throughout the team was very conservative and boring.

Ultimately only De Gea was above average.

poleglass red · Jul 23, 2020

zenith said:
Really think we need to cut him some slack. Pogba has barely had any game time on the season and he's pretty much right into the thick of things in June. He's bound to be tired, not to mention playing in a slightly unfamiliar position

not unfamiliar, he plays a similiar role for France

MyOnlySolskjaer · Jul 23, 2020

Tony247 said:
Shit happens and he looked absolutely gutted. He is not a repeat offender in the sense having brainfart every now and then. So I would let go.

Can see it here. Antonio making a joke to Bruno about him.

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Sultan · Jul 23, 2020

The handball was an isolated incidence. He's apologised and what's more, he's hardly a repeat offender. Too many columns and inches. Some posters have had an agenda with Pogba for years and they will look for any shortcomings in his performances to highlight their dislike.

If one of Matic or Bruno has a bad game, you don't need to be a tactical genius to realise Pogba will suffer. Likewise, the latter if Pogba has a bad game. They all play in combinations. Same goes for wingers and strikers. Rashford has suffered since the injury to Shaw. Greenwood, although he scored yesterday, has suffered a dip in his overall game the last few matches due to v Bissaka being off form. It's a tactical jigsaw/cog.

Then there's the small matter of freshness. We don't really appreciate how much game takes out of players mentally and physically. There's a reason why production suffers late into shifts and on Fridays due to mental tiredness and fatigue. We would moan if Ole played squad players and results suffered and likewise we moan when he plays the same eleven. The harsh reality is we just don't have quality back-ups to make a difference during the game or when starting.

Mainoldo · Jul 24, 2020

Sultan said:
The handball was an isolated incidence. He's apologised and what's more, he's hardly a repeat offender. Too many columns and inches. Some posters have had an agenda with Pogba for years and they will look for any shortcomings in his performances to highlight their dislike.

If one of Matic or Bruno has a bad game, you don't need to be a tactical genius to realise Pogba will suffer. Likewise, the latter if Pogba has a bad game. They all play in combinations. Same goes for wingers and strikers. Rashford has suffered since the injury to Shaw. Greenwood, although he scored yesterday, has suffered a dip in his overall game the last few matches due to v Bissaka being off form. It's a tactical jigsaw/cog.

Then there's the small matter of freshness. We don't really appreciate how much game takes out of players mentally and physically. There's a reason why production suffers late into shifts and on Fridays due to mental tiredness and fatigue. We would moan if Ole played squad players and results suffered and likewise we moan when he plays the same eleven. The harsh reality is we just don't have quality back-ups to make a difference during the game or when starting.

When he was injured and we started this unbeaten run everyone was bragging that Pogba can go and he has to earn his spot. Now for some random reason we haven’t got the resources to rest him?

Foxbatt · Jul 24, 2020

Mainoldo said:
When he was injured and we started this unbeaten run everyone was bragging that Pogba can go and he has to earn his spot. Now for some random reason we haven’t got the resources to rest him?

Honestly in my opinion taking off Pogba in the second half would have made no detrimental affect on the team. In fact if Fred had come in he would have injected a bit of urgency in the midfield and also bit of tackling in midfield too.
These are things Ole has to take responsibility for. When you have Bruno in midfield Pogba is not the number one player. Bruno having a bad match is much better than Pogba having a bad match.
We are playing against Leicester. We need to play Fred in midfield and drop a striker. I feel we have to drop Lindelof and being in Bailly though it gives me nightmares about what he may do.

Web of Bissaka · Jul 24, 2020

Not a repeat offender?

Didn't Pogba made similar (not really) blatant hand ball in his first season 16/17?
It was against Pool.

That was also not intentional, more off and cautious instead of the recent more instinctive protecting face. Interestingly, both situation showed Pogba not really looking at the ball (his mind is caught in doing several things - watching the ball at first and then while heading, he's also being aware of his marked man's heads and thus trying not to clash for incident #1, clashes of heads seriously hurts, and for the #2nd - watching at the ball but not fully focus on the ball nor shooter while moving up the defensive line and let down his guard after Bruno? trying to block it then immediately realize late the ball is moving to his face).

I don't blame him. He's just not suited to defending. Pogba is a weird player - a natural when attacking but way off looking at him doing defending. You get that kind of player now and then. Doing a lot of things at the same time can be difficult to some players if you're not used to it or just not suited in doing it.

Mainoldo · Jul 24, 2020

Foxbatt said:
Honestly in my opinion taking off Pogba in the second half would have made no detrimental affect on the team. In fact if Fred had come in he would have injected a bit of urgency in the midfield and also bit of tackling in midfield too.
These are things Ole has to take responsibility for. When you have Bruno in midfield Pogba is not the number one player. Bruno having a bad match is much better than Pogba having a bad match.
We are playing against Leicester. We need to play Fred in midfield and drop a striker. I feel we have to drop Lindelof and being in Bailly though it gives me nightmares about what he may do.

I wouldn’t say Bruno is the number one player and that’s not even a Pogba bias. They are as both ineffective the other day but still had the ability to add something out of nowhere in the final third. Against West Ham it was Pogba that did this.. starting the move for the goal. So putting Pogba in Bruno’s position and taking Bruno off would have be far more affective. Same at Spurs Pogba changed the game. Ole needs to be able to make these big calls and make them fast.

Same for Lindelöf. He’s actually been the better defender over the restart. If anyone needs dropping for Bailly it would be Maguire and tbf Bailly’s probably traumatised by the thought of playing next to Maguire’s head.

Definitely need to trust in our subs though. I actually think Ole’s a good man manager. But he has to use his skills to have these subs ready to perform.

Mainoldo · Jul 24, 2020

Web of Bissaka said:
Not a repeat offender?

Didn't Pogba made similar (not really) blatant hand ball in his first season 16/17?
It was against Pool.

That was also not intentional, more off and cautious instead of the recent more instinctive protecting face. Interestingly, both situation showed Pogba not really looking at the ball (his mind is caught in doing several things - watching the ball at first and then while heading, he's also being aware of his marked man's heads and thus trying not to clash for incident #1, clashes of heads seriously hurts, and for the #2nd - watching at the ball but not fully focus on the ball nor shooter while moving up the defensive line and let down his guard after Bruno? trying to block it then immediately realize late the ball is moving to his face).

I don't blame him. He's just not suited to defending. Pogba is a weird player - a natural when attacking but way off looking at him doing defending. You get that kind of player now and then. Doing a lot of things at the same time can be difficult to some players if you're not used to it or just not suited in doing it.

He needs full concentration to play the deep line position. It was the same with France. The fact that he probably mentally tuned into it knowing it was just for a tournament made it easy for him to execute. But for the love of god. For a 38 game season make the man play his number 8 role. It’s painful to watch week in week out.

Wedge · Jul 24, 2020

Sultan said:
The handball was an isolated incidence. He's apologised and what's more, he's hardly a repeat offender. Too many columns and inches. Some posters have had an agenda with Pogba for years and they will look for any shortcomings in his performances to highlight their dislike.

If one of Matic or Bruno has a bad game, you don't need to be a tactical genius to realise Pogba will suffer. Likewise, the latter if Pogba has a bad game. They all play in combinations. Same goes for wingers and strikers. Rashford has suffered since the injury to Shaw. Greenwood, although he scored yesterday, has suffered a dip in his overall game the last few matches due to v Bissaka being off form. It's a tactical jigsaw/cog.

Then there's the small matter of freshness. We don't really appreciate how much game takes out of players mentally and physically. There's a reason why production suffers late into shifts and on Fridays due to mental tiredness and fatigue. We would moan if Ole played squad players and results suffered and likewise we moan when he plays the same eleven. The harsh reality is we just don't have quality back-ups to make a difference during the game or when starting.

You're 100‰ correct, we just don't have enough quality on the bench when our best are knackered.

UpWithRivers · Jul 24, 2020

That handball was criminal. If you go in the wall you should be prepared for a ball hit hard at you. If you cant take that then get out the friggin wall! On top of it he wasnt even paying attention. Thats why he put his hands up. It was a natural reaction but only because he wasnt watching. If he was he would have expected it and his hands would not have come up automatically. In all the years of football how many times has that happened? None. 0. Why? Because players know not to raise hands in the box. Thats the infuriating thing about Pogba and seperates him from the best. He doesnt do the simple things consistently. Yeah he can do the 50 yard passes and be class. But the great players do the basics 100 percent of the time. Pogba doesnt. Switched off. Lack of concentration. Who knows. Maybe him and De Gea can go to couples therapy and talk about their lack of concentration.

romufc · Jul 24, 2020

Why do we over react so much when certain players have bad games?

The handball - Go back and look at the picture, every player around Pogba was either ducking or looking for cover.. not saying it is an excuse but lets also look at those players too..

Pogba has a bad game after some very good games and we need to sell him?

If Manutd fans want success, we need to keep Pogba.

I do not see fans saying sell Bruno? the number of times he gave the ball away in his own half?

This agenda against our own players has to stop.. Lindelof every week, Maguire one week, Shaw one week, Martial one week, Rashford one week. Players are human too, mistakes happen.

Mickeza · Jul 24, 2020

I don’t really get “the agenda” argument when people critique Pogba. How many top performances has he put in for us in the last 18 months? Whether that’s down to fitness, tactics or not wanting to be here is irrelevant, his performances do not match the talent he has. Add in the shite with his agent, the constant stay/go saga and the general perception we’re somehow not good enough for him and I struggle to see why any United supporter isn’t massively disappointed with him. The fact he’s walked around for large parts of those 18 months like he’s Messi in central midfield offering very little energy and contribution when we don’t have the ball are a problem. His defenders constantly say he’s world class, in what position is Paul Pogba world class? He’s definitely not world class in the position we’re currently asking him to play. In fact I think he’s a bit of a liability there against good sides that press well. And I don’t think he puts the goals/assist numbers Bruno will in the number 10 role. In our current system where Pogba plays is an issue, our midfield has been a mess the last two weeks as the pace and intensity of games have increased, and I don’t think it’s all magically solved by upgrading Matic.

Having said that I’d cut him a bit of slack for the pen. It’s one of those reactions you instantly regret that you have no idea why you did it. He should have ducked out of the way but there we go. I also think he’s struggling physically at the moment. He’s been out injured for a long time and to be asked to play the number of games he’s being asked to is a tough ask. However, long term if we insist on sticking to 4-2-3-1 Pogba for me is a bit of an issue. I grudgingly thought last summer it was in everyone’s interests that he went and we reinvested the funds in rebuilding the side. That would be a massive shame because he does have a lot of ability and Manchester United should be the place where that ability flourishes. I hope I’m wrong but the longer time goes on I just don’t see us ever seeing the best of him.

yan man utd · Jul 24, 2020

Icemav said:
Don't bother calling people fanboys if you want to be taken seriously. Wheels coming off is a saying. Like the wheels coming off a car. Things fall apart.

What I am saying has much worse implications than Pogba not trying. Its that Pogba does not have the ability mentally.

Anyway most of my post was about the whole team, because the last few games we have been outhought and outfought and that happened across the pitch. I am not at all excusing Pogba being poor because of a lack of individual coaching..... though I think the team tactics have not worked against Southamptom, WHU and Chelsea. It wasn't Pogba singularly wrecking things. Not at all.

Now on that note I would calm down. Its just football and its just one player. The same player who rescued a great point for us against Spurs and was very effective in our record breaking run of victories. He is now demonstrating what is the problem for him as a player and also the team. We already know that Pogba isn't a leader and lacks footballing intelligence of the great players..... he can play many roles but throughout a season he would rather play in a floating midfield role where he isn't the heartbeat of a team, just the icing on top of a well made cake. Whether we can accommodate that moving forwards will be interesting.

I agree. moreover we need to look at what guidance Pogba is getting as well as, following your point that we have been out thought and outfought the dynamics/synergy/tactics.

1 why does Pogba not have change of pace or urgency? He is looking more and more like a one trick pony

2 at what point does the management recognise And adjust the chasm of space between our defence and Pogba and bruno

3 at what point does management tell bruno that he does not need to score or create a goal every time he gets the ball?

4 How does Lindelof who is at best passive and de gea who spends half the match a yard from the goal line suit Maguire who lacks pace and Pogba / Matic who are both pedestrian?

we are ruthlessly exposed by a hard press time and again and we have been embarrassed by clubs with far less talented and far less expensive players

Manchester United is not a nursery school for managers or chair men
Or indeed players

and why should we give ‘time’ unless improvement is obvious? Real and Barca don’t!

Jeppers7 · Jul 24, 2020

el3mel said:
I haven't entered a single discussion about Pogba with you that you weren't the one who's defending him, beside it doesn't seem like I'm the only who feels you're biased towards him.

Again, fair enough if these points are true.

I haven’t seen a Single discussion where you and the same 3/4 others aren’t criticising Pogba so I really don’t get your point here.

Jeppers7 · Jul 24, 2020

Mickeza said:
I don’t really get “the agenda” argument when people critique Pogba. How many top performances has he put in for us in the last 18 months? Whether that’s down to fitness, tactics or not wanting to be here is irrelevant, his performances do not match the talent he has. Add in the shite with his agent, the constant stay/go saga and the general perception we’re somehow not good enough for him and I struggle to see why any United supporter isn’t massively disappointed with him. The fact he’s walked around for large parts of those 18 months like he’s Messi in central midfield offering very little energy and contribution when we don’t have the ball are a problem. His defenders constantly say he’s world class, in what position is Paul Pogba world class? He’s definitely not world class in the position we’re currently asking him to play. In fact I think he’s a bit of a liability there against good sides that press well. And I don’t think he puts the goals/assist numbers Bruno will in the number 10 role. In our current system where Pogba plays is an issue, our midfield has been a mess the last two weeks as the pace and intensity of games have increased, and I don’t think it’s all magically solved by upgrading Matic.

Having said that I’d cut him a bit of slack for the pen. It’s one of those reactions you instantly regret that you have no idea why you did it. He should have ducked out of the way but there we go. I also think he’s struggling physically at the moment. He’s been out injured for a long time and to be asked to play the number of games he’s being asked to is a tough ask. However, long term if we insist on sticking to 4-2-3-1 Pogba for me is a bit of an issue. I grudgingly thought last summer it was in everyone’s interests that he went and we reinvested the funds in rebuilding the side. That would be a massive shame because he does have a lot of ability and Manchester United should be the place where that ability flourishes. I hope I’m wrong but the longer time goes on I just don’t see us ever seeing the best of him.

Does it need pointing out that he has played about ten games in the last 12 months ?

So then you’ve got Ole’s caretaker period where he was outstanding, and you’ve got the period after lockdown when he first came back and was performing his role perfectly.

Then you’ve got two periods for me where he’s been poor, after PSG game last year and from Southampton this year.

I don’t think there’s an issue debating that form but it really can’t be ignored that every single player has looked poor and totally gassed in both of these periods.

UpWithRivers · Jul 24, 2020

romufc said:
Why do we over react so much when certain players have bad games?

The handball - Go back and look at the picture, every player around Pogba was either ducking or looking for cover.. not saying it is an excuse but lets also look at those players too..

Pogba has a bad game after some very good games and we need to sell him?

If Manutd fans want success, we need to keep Pogba.

I do not see fans saying sell Bruno? the number of times he gave the ball away in his own half?

This agenda against our own players has to stop.. Lindelof every week, Maguire one week, Shaw one week, Martial one week, Rashford one week. Players are human too, mistakes happen.

Ducking or looking for cover is the key point. Thats fair enough. putting your hands up is not

romufc · Jul 24, 2020

UpWithRivers said:
Ducking or looking for cover is the key point. Thats fair enough. putting your hands up is not

They were all hiding behind Pogba... I am not pulling out an excuse for Pogba. It is embarrassing but if we are going to go Pogba out on that performance, have a look at everyone else too.

I was pointing out the over reaction after a bad game is just crazy.

MattofManchester · Jul 24, 2020

I won't criticize him for putting his hands up. I watched it over and over again. The free kick ended up looking like it was going to veer closer to the corner flag than the actual goal, so I don't think he was expecting it to come in his direction.

What I will criticize him for is the lack of concentration. He looked like he was daydreaming, given the amount of time that passed, and his mind probably went full panic mode once he realized.

But, it's over now and I hope he blows Leicester away in the next game.

However, it still concerns me how isolated or overly compact the space is every time he gets the ball.

Withnail · Jul 24, 2020

Web of Bissaka said:
Not a repeat offender?

Didn't Pogba made similar (not really) blatant hand ball in his first season 16/17?
It was against Pool.

That was also not intentional, more off and cautious instead of the recent more instinctive protecting face. Interestingly, both situation showed Pogba not really looking at the ball (his mind is caught in doing several things - watching the ball at first and then while heading, he's also being aware of his marked man's heads and thus trying not to clash for incident #1, clashes of heads seriously hurts, and for the #2nd - watching at the ball but not fully focus on the ball nor shooter while moving up the defensive line and let down his guard after Bruno? trying to block it then immediately realize late the ball is moving to his face).

I don't blame him. He's just not suited to defending. Pogba is a weird player - a natural when attacking but way off looking at him doing defending. You get that kind of player now and then. Doing a lot of things at the same time can be difficult to some players if you're not used to it or just not suited in doing it.

Yeah and I stole a bag of sweets when I was 12 and a moro when I was 8, lock me up! I'm obviously a menace to society.

Two incidents in 4 seasons? Are you having a laugh?

Withnail · Jul 24, 2020

UpWithRivers said:
That handball was criminal. If you go in the wall you should be prepared for a ball hit hard at you. If you cant take that then get out the friggin wall! On top of it he wasnt even paying attention. Thats why he put his hands up. It was a natural reaction but only because he wasnt watching. If he was he would have expected it and his hands would not have come up automatically. In all the years of football how many times has that happened? None. 0. Why? Because players know not to raise hands in the box. Thats the infuriating thing about Pogba and seperates him from the best. He doesnt do the simple things consistently. Yeah he can do the 50 yard passes and be class. But the great players do the basics 100 percent of the time. Pogba doesnt. Switched off. Lack of concentration. Who knows. Maybe him and De Gea can go to couples therapy and talk about their lack of concentration.

KDB did it in February and got away with it so, yes it does happen.

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horsechoker · Jul 24, 2020

Withnail said:
KDB did it in February and got away with it so, yes it does happen.

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Is there a video of that incident?

Why didn't he duck?

Disgraceful, he must have an agenda against City

Adam-Utd · Jul 24, 2020

horsechoker said:
Is there a video of that incident?

Why didn't he duck?

Disgraceful, he must have an agenda against City

Can't believe KDB wanted City to lose, especially against his old club Chelsea! what a bastard lets hope they sell him!

All jokes aside literally all of them are showing human reactions, some have ducked and covered their heads with there arms, maguire is bracing himself by shielding behind somebody else, Fosu Mensah is doing EXACTLY the same as Pogba.

Everybody can sit here and say "I would have taken it on the face" but until that is coming at you at 60mph+ you don't know how you'd react.

It sucks it happened but it was just a freak thing. But of course because it happened to be Pogba there's always this extra weight behind it the conspiracy nuts love

Rolaholic · Jul 24, 2020

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Not too shabby especially given how deep he's been playing this season

Deery · Jul 24, 2020

Adam-Utd said:
Can't believe KDB wanted City to lose, especially against his old club Chelsea! what a bastard lets hope they sell him!

All jokes aside literally all of them are showing human reactions, some have ducked and covered their heads with there arms, maguire is bracing himself by shielding behind somebody else, Fosu Mensah is doing EXACTLY the same as Pogba.

Everybody can sit here and say "I would have taken it on the face" but until that is coming at you at 60mph+ you don't know how you'd react.

It sucks it happened but it was just a freak thing. But of course because it happened to be Pogba there's always this extra weight behind it the conspiracy nuts love

That’s pathetic really, pussies the lot of them. Two centre backs one the most expensive in the world, a player that was the most expensive in the world and a young player that should be making a name for himself and that’s what you get.
Seen braver players in my 5-aside team.

RUCK4444 · Jul 24, 2020

JPRouve said:
That's not even it. Someone tried to make the point that Matic was a lot better than Pogba yesterday which wasn't the case, Matic was bad like pretty much everyone else.

Yeah. But pointing out he wasn't the only bad player out there in itself adds balance to the argument.

In the sense that people are so willing to jump on him without so much as a mention of anybody else.

At least that's the true balance I'm pointing out from my perspective on it.

romufc said:
They were all hiding behind Pogba... I am not pulling out an excuse for Pogba. It is embarrassing but if we are going to go Pogba out on that performance, have a look at everyone else too.

I was pointing out the over reaction after a bad game is just crazy.

Of course it is. They all had a shocker but then in turn this place has a shocker about Pogba. That said his he did play poorly like the rest and this handball was terrible, absolute stone wall penalty when you compare it to any other handball decision in particular this season.

RUCK4444 · Jul 24, 2020

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Not too shabby especially given how deep he's been playing this season

Plus how long he was injured. This is no surprise though and it shouldn't be to anybody.

romufc · Jul 24, 2020

RUCK4444 said:
Of course it is. They all had a shocker but then in turn this place has a shocker about Pogba. That said his he did play poorly like the rest and this handball was terrible, absolute stone wall penalty when you compare it to any other handball decision in particular this season.

Player performance criticism is fine. I have seen some people say take £80m for him and replace him with Thiago.

Pogba £80m.. Only United fans would value him at that. He is a special talent and whether we like it or not, we are a better team with Pogba in it.

Classical Mechanic · Jul 24, 2020

romufc said:
Player performance criticism is fine. I have seen some people say take £80m for him and replace him with Thiago.

Pogba £80m.. Only United fans would value him at that. He is a special talent and whether we like it or not, we are a better team with Pogba in it.

Barca bid 50m euro + Yeri Mina and Andre Gomes for him a couple of years ago so it seems they only value him at 30m euros for one.

romufc · Jul 24, 2020

Classical Mechanic said:
Barca bid 50m euro + Yeri Mina and Andre Gomes for him a couple of years ago so it seems they only value him at 30m euros for one.

So because Barca bid that, that is his value?

If we bid £50m for Sancho, is that his value?

Classical Mechanic · Jul 24, 2020

romufc said:
So because Barca bid that, that is his value?

If we bid £50m for Sancho, is that his value?

It was a joke ffs. That said, the club actually values him at a price non of his suitors wanted to go near.

romufc · Jul 24, 2020

Classical Mechanic said:
It was a joke ffs. That said, the club actually values him at a price non of his suitors wanted to go near.

My bad, you wouldn't be surprised that some people would actually mean that seriously.

Devil81 · Jul 24, 2020

Was it Bournemouth at home where he basically played two touch football all match and I thought wow! he's finally arrived all he needed was a world-class playmaker to take that responsibility off him.

Since that game, he seems to have slipped back into hanging on to the ball too long and losing it in key areas.

VP89 · Jul 24, 2020

romufc said:
So because Barca bid that, that is his value?

If we bid £50m for Sancho, is that his value?

Think he made it quite clear in his post that that's what they value him at. Not what is actual value in the market is.

romufc · Jul 24, 2020

VP89 said:
Think he made it quite clear in his post that that's what they value him at. Not what is actual value in the market is.

He was joking.

Mickeza · Jul 24, 2020

Jeppers7 said:
Does it need pointing out that he has played about ten games in the last 12 months ?

So then you’ve got Ole’s caretaker period where he was outstanding, and you’ve got the period after lockdown when he first came back and was performing his role perfectly.

Then you’ve got two periods for me where he’s been poor, after PSG game last year and from Southampton this year.

I don’t think there’s an issue debating that form but it really can’t be ignored that every single player has looked poor and totally gassed in both of these periods.

He has been injured, that’s fair. Let’s go back further then and include the second half of Mourinho’s second season. Since then from memory he’s still only had the two patches of form you’ve mentioned here. That amounts to about 10 weeks in two and a half years where Pogba could be described as genuinely “world class”. No matter what the reasons that isn’t good enough is it? When you add the baggage that comes with his agent, a definite lack of effort off the ball at times, him wanting to leave this summer even under Ole and the whole air about us not being good enough for him then fans have every right to have issues, that isn’t an agenda, it’s justified criticism. Nothing ever seems to be down to Pogba. He has to share some responsibility for his own performances and for large parts whilst at this club they haven’t been good enough.

In Rainbows · Jul 24, 2020

Withnail said:
KDB did it in February and got away with it so, yes it does happen.

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Things tend to go into overdrive because it's Pogba, and we had a bad performance with a lot on the line.

Jeppers7 · Jul 24, 2020

Mickeza said:
He has been injured, that’s fair. Let’s go back further then and include the second half of Mourinho’s second season. Since then from memory he’s still only had the two patches of form you’ve mentioned here. That amounts to about 10 weeks in two and a half years where Pogba could be described as genuinely “world class”. No matter what the reasons that isn’t good enough is it? When you add the baggage that comes with his agent, a definite lack of effort off the ball at times, him wanting to leave this summer even under Ole and the whole air about us not being good enough for him then fans have every right to have issues, that isn’t an agenda, it’s justified criticism. Nothing ever seems to be down to Pogba. He has to share some responsibility for his own performances and for large parts whilst at this club they haven’t been good enough.

Look at the individual games in that season. Go through each game. There’s lots of great performances if you go through them individually.

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