Yes but that Manchester United didn’t win a league title since the late 60’s so its as much pressure as the current Everton manager has. Also that’s fine with the age issue but you should be able to add some context. The league that we currently view today is it anything like the football league you witnessed in the last 80’s? As in was tr top clubs always the top clubs or could you finish 8th one season and find yourself 2nd the next season. Except for Liverpool was the other clubs normally defaulted to an expected position the next year. By that I mean without even starting next season everyone will expect Liverpool, City United and Chelsea as an example to occupy certain positions. Was that the case back in the 80’s?
Total lack of respect for an absolute club legend (another Ole thread)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
But me expecting us to finish around 8th had no agenda behind it whatsoever . That’s what I’m trying to say
Fair enough opinion although I would disagree with it.
Where I am with it is that I don’t doubt that there’s better coaches out there than Solskjær and also wouldn’t doubt that they may be doing a better job right now but end of the day it’s Ole who is here right now and I think sacking him and restarting again would be pressing the reset button too early.
I’m really nervous about today but let’s see what he can do with us next season and go from there.
I think it’s as binary as that. Do you want him replaced right now or not.
As I said in my reply to mainoldo I don’t doubt there could be someone better but I don’t think the end of this season is the right time to change
I agree with all that. I also like the look of Nagelsmann but I feel that’s still a risk and not as clear as getting klopp instead of LVG was. I wouldn’t be totally opposed to that next year.
I get that to. I mean imagine an new manage and him not trusting in Martial like Mourinho. But that’s where the board should do their job and make sure the next man has been briefed on what’s required. If they don’t then don’t make that next step. But i don’t think the progress is that grate that this team cannot have minor changesI mean we all still want this rebuild to continue.
I’ve got my kit on just waiting for 4 now
I’m in two minds on how I want us to play. We look tired so I think counter attacking might be perfect if we do it to the level we can. I.e. City style. But Leicester have a lot of players missing so maybe we should just go out them. The nerves are getting to me too.Fair enough.
It's not that he's criticised but how people do it.
There's a tsunami of almost hate towards Ole whenever we don't win, as if any manager will win every game. It's bordering on ridiculous at times.
Well I've made my feeling known already in this thread. If it were my decision I would part ways, mainly because I don't believe in the long term he will bring any success. IMO pre season is the perfect time for a new manager to start.
I agree for the most past Ole has improved the morale around the club and we are slowly starting to show signs of the old United. But that's not enough when performances have been as inconsistent as they have for his 18 months in charge.
Personally I do not understand your logic. If you don't believe he will be successful why would you persist? We're not a charity and his playing days with us should not have any influence on the club or fans making decisions, as hard as they may be, about his long term future.
If you don't think the end of the season is best time to move him on when do you think would be? Mid season if we struggle like we did this year and we have to fight to get top four? End of next season if he doesn't progress? That's potentially another 3/4 years of us wandering in the wilderness. The comparisons to 90s Liverpool will be coming more of a reality at that point.
That's just untrue. He's received much lighter criticism overall than all three of his predecessors.
Think you're seeing what you want to see. There's literally a very small minority that repeat their negative opinions ad nauseam but generally it's fairly balanced.
You could conversely look at the other end of the spectrum: After a few wins there's threads created saying we'll win the league soon, are the third best team in the league, Oles signings have all been amazing etc. The extremes very much work both ways but if you're staunch in or out, you'll only see what you want to see and try present this skewed perception as fact.
Rubbish. You've just got to read the post match threads to see the hate come spewing out when we don't win.
Mainoldo
The 1980s had similarities and differences to now - it was pre the days of huge money, e.g. Bryan Robson cost £1.5m in 1981, but the wealthier clubs would make regular appearances in the top 6, as shown by the table below - with others competing, but not sustaining. The league would be tight some years and a procession in others and you'd get the odd unusual appearance, like Swansea in 1982 and Wimbledon in 1986. Don't forget Leicester winning the EPL a few years back, it can always spring a surprise.
But mainly, Liverpool, Man Utd, Everton, Spurs and Arsenal would be there and thereabouts. Also, United was a far 'larger' club than Everton, so the expectations have always been higher - the 80s was a good time for Everton, they punched above their weight in that period.
The First Division, now Premier League has usually been a competitive place.
Data below for the season ending
1980 (42 games) - 1 Liverpool 60 points, 2 Man Utd 58, 3 Ipswich 53, 4 Arsenal 53, 5 Notts Forest 48, 6 Wolves 47
1981 (42 games) - 1 Villa 60, 2 Ipswich 56 , 3 Arsenal 53, 4 WBA 52, 5 Liverpool 51, 6 Southampton 50
1982 (42 games) - 1 Liverpool 87, 2 Ipswich 83, 3 Man Utd 78, 4 Spurs 71, 5 Arsenal 71, 6 Swansea 69
1983 (42 games) - 1 Liverpool 82, 2 Watford 71, 3 Man Utd 70, 4 Spurs 69, 5 Notts Forest 69, 6 Villa 68
1984 (42 games) - 1 Everton 90, 2 Liverpool, 3 Spurs 77, 4 Man Utd 76, 5 Southampton 68, 6 Chelsea 66
1985 (42 games) - 1 Liverpool 88, 2 Everton 86, 3 West Ham 84, 4 Man Utd 76, 5 Sheff Weds 73, 6 Chelsea 71
1986 (42 games) - 1 Everton 86, 2 Liverpool 77, 4 Arsenal 70, 5 Norwich 68, 6 Wimbledon 66
1987 (40 games) - 1 Liverpool 90, 2 Man Utd 81, 3 Everton 70, QPR 67, 6 Arsenal 66
1988 (38 games) - 1 Arsenal 76, 2 Liverpool 76, 3 Notts Forest 64, 4 Norwich 62, 5 Derby 58, 6 Spurs 57
1989 (38 games) - 1 LIverpool 79, 2 Villa 70 , 3 Spurs 63, 4 Arsenal 62, 5 Chelsea 60, 6 Everton 59
The 1980s had similarities and differences to now - it was pre the days of huge money, e.g. Bryan Robson cost £1.5m in 1981, but the wealthier clubs would make regular appearances in the top 6, as shown by the table below - with others competing, but not sustaining. The league would be tight some years and a procession in others and you'd get the odd unusual appearance, like Swansea in 1982 and Wimbledon in 1986. Don't forget Leicester winning the EPL a few years back, it can always spring a surprise.
But mainly, Liverpool, Man Utd, Everton, Spurs and Arsenal would be there and thereabouts. Also, United was a far 'larger' club than Everton, so the expectations have always been higher - the 80s was a good time for Everton, they punched above their weight in that period.
The First Division, now Premier League has usually been a competitive place.
Data below for the season ending
1980 (42 games) - 1 Liverpool 60 points, 2 Man Utd 58, 3 Ipswich 53, 4 Arsenal 53, 5 Notts Forest 48, 6 Wolves 47
1981 (42 games) - 1 Villa 60, 2 Ipswich 56 , 3 Arsenal 53, 4 WBA 52, 5 Liverpool 51, 6 Southampton 50
1982 (42 games) - 1 Liverpool 87, 2 Ipswich 83, 3 Man Utd 78, 4 Spurs 71, 5 Arsenal 71, 6 Swansea 69
1983 (42 games) - 1 Liverpool 82, 2 Watford 71, 3 Man Utd 70, 4 Spurs 69, 5 Notts Forest 69, 6 Villa 68
1984 (42 games) - 1 Everton 90, 2 Liverpool, 3 Spurs 77, 4 Man Utd 76, 5 Southampton 68, 6 Chelsea 66
1985 (42 games) - 1 Liverpool 88, 2 Everton 86, 3 West Ham 84, 4 Man Utd 76, 5 Sheff Weds 73, 6 Chelsea 71
1986 (42 games) - 1 Everton 86, 2 Liverpool 77, 4 Arsenal 70, 5 Norwich 68, 6 Wimbledon 66
1987 (40 games) - 1 Liverpool 90, 2 Man Utd 81, 3 Everton 70, QPR 67, 6 Arsenal 66
1988 (38 games) - 1 Arsenal 76, 2 Liverpool 76, 3 Notts Forest 64, 4 Norwich 62, 5 Derby 58, 6 Spurs 57
1989 (38 games) - 1 LIverpool 79, 2 Villa 70 , 3 Spurs 63, 4 Arsenal 62, 5 Chelsea 60, 6 Everton 59
I’m not sure if I have said he won’t be successful, I’m shocked myself if I have because I don’t know whether he will be or not. I’d say there’s certainly A chance he will be but obviously there’s also there’s a chance he won’t, it all depends on what parts of the season we judge on and whether our performances have been flurries or something we can sustain long term, I’d say we need next season to see this for sure.
my logic is even though there may be better out there they are not a certainty to succeed here either and we seem to be on the up at the moment and it shouldn’t be upset.
I suggest you go back and look at match day threads from the other managers tenures. Although if you think some of the things said about Ole are harsh it might be a bit too much for you.
Is 'respect the manager no matter what' a United thing?
Even in Joses dark days he was getting applauded at OT because thats what real United fans do - give me a break.
Having Fergy for 3 decades really shaped how some of you see managers.
Even in Joses dark days he was getting applauded at OT because thats what real United fans do - give me a break.
Having Fergy for 3 decades really shaped how some of you see managers.
I get that to. I mean imagine an new manage and him not trusting in Martial like Mourinho. But that’s where the board should do their job and make sure the next man has been briefed on what’s required. If they don’t then don’t make that next step. But i don’t think the progress is that grate that this team cannot have minor changesI mean we all still want this rebuild to continue.
I’ve got my kit on just waiting for 4 now
Guard of on at the tv next year when we win the league
with Ole!white texting my white text
People don't have respect any more.
And society are breeding narcissists as never before. I suspect a big club as Manchester United attract a fair share of these into its fan base. So comments and reactions are inline with this. Can't see how to ever get rid without havng a personality test upfront before allowing to comment
And society are breeding narcissists as never before. I suspect a big club as Manchester United attract a fair share of these into its fan base. So comments and reactions are inline with this. Can't see how to ever get rid without havng a personality test upfront before allowing to comment
Mourinho won us the Europa League, League Cup, got us to 2nd place and a FA cup final and still considered by a majority to have failed, me included.
I was happy when he left but I could hold a conversation with people who wanted him to stay without calling them idiots or entitled. Season is not over yet but if Ole fails to make top 4 and doesn't win the EL, the people who call it failure and believe another manager could possibly do it better might have a point, even if i agree or not.