A new record and quite a bit of attention given this is the first season with VAR. From memory, I don't recall us getting a penalty that shouldn't have been given (aside from Bruno v Villa). Is there anywhere we can see them all?
14 Premier League penalities
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Yeah I don't think there's a contentious one bar the one v Villa. Tyler trying so say there's a perception bigger teams get more, well yeah because people like you feed the narrative you moron.
And we should've had more especially early in the season when referees were afraid to use VAR.
I would say that in most leagues in the world, the team with the most penalties are usually the teams with the quickest attackers with the fastest feet.
It all happens so quickly in real time. Even the example from today, it’s a split second and suddenly two defenders are behind and stretching.
It all happens so quickly in real time. Even the example from today, it’s a split second and suddenly two defenders are behind and stretching.
I'd like to see the stats of that over the last 5 years or so - I suspect this would be confirmed.
Missed quite a few as well earlier, no?
Or was that from the previous season?
Or was that from the previous season?
People keep complaining about us getting so many penalties. It’s not like we are getting fouled outside the box and keep given penalties. We getting a penalty means we are the right place, in their box, our players have quicker feet, think faster and react faster than the opposition. Hence we get a penalty.
Anyone have the stats across the entire season? Has VAR lead to more pens across the board?
Should have had a lot more as well. Very unlucky this year with VAR.
That is one thing that demonstrates we are doing well attacking-wise. You might get a few lucky ones but the fact we've been creating mayhem in the oppo's box is the main reason we got so many.
Added bonus of rivals whining about 'Penchester United'.
Added bonus of rivals whining about 'Penchester United'.
Tyler can go sit on a rusty nail. Stoking the controversy flames, prick.
Will be fun seeing the rivals fans raging about this. Anything that annoys our rivals I'm for it.
We have fast, tricky forwards. Its likely that we'll get penalties. How many of those 14 are questionable? One or two maybe
I’m sure we had one early on that was incorrect, won by James.
But we’ve had quite a few that weren’t given that probably should have been, even with VAR.
Except for the Bruno vs Villa one, all were spot on. Fred against City that we didn't get kind of evens it out.
It's a very high amount.
I don't think we've been particularly lucky with decisions, the Bruno one vs Aston Villa was an obvious mistake but most of them have been fair I think. There will always be a lot of coincidences with how you end up in penalty decisions, but on the other hand our rapid counter attacks and players with quick feet and acceleration in tight spaces (especially Martial and Rashford) do lend themselves to a lot of penalty calls.
I don't think we've been particularly lucky with decisions, the Bruno one vs Aston Villa was an obvious mistake but most of them have been fair I think. There will always be a lot of coincidences with how you end up in penalty decisions, but on the other hand our rapid counter attacks and players with quick feet and acceleration in tight spaces (especially Martial and Rashford) do lend themselves to a lot of penalty calls.
Well, it's a good sign. I remember us hardly getting any because we just weren't attacking enough. As has already been pointed out, there aren't many contentious ones, so all these rival fans don't have a leg to stand on really. Let them cry though 
Big teams obviously get more penalties - because they spend more time in the opposition box. Surely, this would be obvious?
If they aren't getting more penalties, then that would be symptomatic of a problem.
From memory, we missed 2 against Norwich, 1 was soft, the other was never a penalty.
other than Fernandes against Villa, I don’t recall scoring a penalty that wasn’t l
Surely a big part of that is because the bigger/better sides are more often on the front foot? By getting into the opposition box more then there's just a higher chance of getting a penalty.
No doubt there were many situations where a penalty was wrongly given before VAR, but I would argue that those refereeing mistakes were still a result of those teams being on the attack more often, and so they created more situations where the ref had to make that call.
If you're a so called smaller side it's bound to feel like big decisions go against you if there are much fewer of them to choose from over the course of a season.
Only remember James against Norwich and Bruno v Villa that were dodgy calls by VAR. We maybe should have had pens with Fred v City and vs Arsenal at home. We have very quick and skilful forwards which make it difficult for defenders, the uproar is ridiculous, most of those pen calls are correct, maybe instead of looking at VAR, they should stop fouling us in the box.
The media will bang on about it for weeks leading up to next season so in typical fashion we will get a paultry 5! If anything VAR has merely confirmed our view that we should get more pens due to the amount of game we play in opp box and the number of fouls committed against us.
VAR has shown that media blinkered narrative for what it is, rejoice.
VAR has shown that media blinkered narrative for what it is, rejoice.
The key point is we now spent a lot of time in the opposition box. Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Bruno get into the box a lot and spend good time there, or try to dribble past defenders. Playing a lot in the box will give you a lot of pens by the end, as the defenders will end up fecking up and making mistakes when you try to dribble pas them in the box, it's inevitable. That or you can make a deal out of every contact in the crowd and get pens as well.
We’ve had like one that wasn’t a pen. Ole predicted at the start of the season that with our pace from Rashford, James etc that combined with VAR we’d get a lot of penalties. He wasn’t wrong.
Most of them were pens, the only questionable one that I remember was the Villa one.
There is probably an element of that but I think there is a bit of bias there too.
Amuses me when people bring up the Villa one, but gloss over the stonewaller we didn't get later in the same game.
Its a great sign of the pace we attack with. Pretty much every one barring Villa was deserved.
Its funny because for years opposition fans used to say that refs give us too many penalties
Now with the extra scrutiny by VAR, we are getting more
Now with the extra scrutiny by VAR, we are getting more
It stands to reason that the teams that attack more get more opportunities to receive penalties, no?
Indeed. Eeven taking 1 or 2 away. The rest were penalties end of
Surprising that teams who attack and score more will be in the opposition's penalty area more and therefore have a higher chance of getting penalties.
Which was always likely really. Used to be the cry was that refs favoured the big teams, but the truth was they get more decisions because they tend to put teams under more pressure and force more mistakes which give refs more decisions to make. Var removes some of the random elements from the game which clearly benefits the clubs with more quality.Its funny because for years opposition fans used to say that refs give us too many penalties
Now with the extra scrutiny by VAR, we are getting more
You'd think that'd be obvious right.
Martial should have had a penalty when he was dragged back in our home defeat to Palace last August.
Pretty much invalidates the commonly held idea that the refs always help us. VAR ensuring the decisions are actually correct has led to us getting more decisions than usual.
Somehow the mouth breathers out there manage to take it as confirmation that refs always help us.
Somehow the mouth breathers out there manage to take it as confirmation that refs always help us.
And they fail to acknowledge that the big teams attack more.
I’m sure if Watford managed to spend more time on opponents penalty area, they too would get more penalties.
I’m sure if Watford managed to spend more time on opponents penalty area, they too would get more penalties.
Obviously as a United fan I'm never going to think that because I feel like decisions go against us all the time, I mean every fan does when it's their club!
The one thing I would say is that David Moyes moaned about the big sides getting all the decisions for years, especially when Everton played United, he was always falling back on that excuse. Yet when he managed United he couldn't stop rueing how unlucky he was with the refereeing decisions.
I honestly think there's no bias and there's just refs who have good days and bad days. It's all about perspective and what side of the fence you sit on.
Let's beat our record next season!
That is probably true and generally I do feel it evens out over the course of a season but there is no doubt the 'big' teams get more penalties than 'smaller' teams. The debate to be had is why that might be.