Cheers VP. I will be surprised if this one drags on and on.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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It’s just an added bonus on top of the quality of the player. No language barrier, home sickness, cultural adaptation. Also means he’ll be playing with Rashford and Greenwood in the England set up which can only benefit their understandings.
Obviously there are for more important factors such as how good he is at kicking a football but it’s certainly an added bonus for sure.
If anyone pays over 100million for a player is a fool. Covid19 will affect earning globally, it affect all nations and clubs. Nobody will sanction such a deal, I think we will likely off 70-80 million plus add-on. Surely there is a player who cost half that can do a job. Sarr can still improve, he is not a finish article. 2-3 more years, we got ourselves another respectable winger.
If it was a player from some random nation like Nikaragua (no disrespect here, just an example), it’s one thing. But if it’s another big football nation (think Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Brazil...) - it’s also good for marketing, also good (if not better) national team to play in...
The briefs have already started, I would rather believe the likes of BILD on this one to be honest, I want us to get this done as soon as possible, No more pissing about, Pay Borussia Dortmund what they want for him.
Yeah, we should have learned by now that Ed has learned nothing in his time here.As if Woodward and Judge will be seriously negotiating major transfers before the final week of the window.
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Just take the 98mil and drop it on the players they are after?
Compromise needs to be reached for deal to happen now where have we heard that line before
Yeah what's a mere £20million
Yeh marketing is another factor I suppose but we’ve had players before from glamorous nations where they haven’t settled into the environment and it directly impacted their performances.
Plus with any signing from Spain/South America the allure of Madrid and Barca is that much stronger - especially when you’re signing a 20 year old sensation who has his whole career ahead of him.
On the national team aspect I’d rather have an English player who will be in the same England set up playing alongside Rashford, Greenwood, Maguire (potentially AWB and Shaw as well) than say a Brazilian player if the 2 were equally talented.
Basically if I had the choice of designing the perfect player (like on Fifa) to sign for Man United - I would pick English as the nationality.
EDIT: Also would add Sancho is actually a good example of a young player who is supposedly feeling homesick even though he’s “only” in Germany. You eliminate such disturbances with young English players.
You only do that with the elite clubs like Real or Barca.
If we go for Sarr instead of Sancho I will have a mental breakdown.
I just don't understand this approach at all. Why would anybody prefer a guy like Ikone over a player like Sancho? Those players operate in different universes. I'd rather splash 100m on a 20-year-old superstar in the making than 30m on a squad option that doesn't improve us a whole lot.
We tried, he signed for Dortmund already
he is joking
Can't believe people think Sarr is a good alternative to Sancho.
They aren't even in the same bracket! Choosing Sarr instead is like choosing Dan James instead of Sancho.
Fifa 20 is deluding peoples thoughts on players. Sarr's special card in FIFA Ultimate Team has somehow convinced many that he is the finished article!
They aren't even in the same bracket! Choosing Sarr instead is like choosing Dan James instead of Sancho.
Fifa 20 is deluding peoples thoughts on players. Sarr's special card in FIFA Ultimate Team has somehow convinced many that he is the finished article!
apologies then. Hard to tell these days
reading different threads, it certainly seems some posters are against signing quality players because we don't "need" them.£120m is a bit steep if I'm being honest, especially in a post covid world. He's still young and relatively untested at the high level consistently - especially considering how Mikhi and Kagawa fared when making the jump. He's not Neymar - I'd put him closer to Pulisic than Neymar currently.
Around £80m - £90m like Havertz is what we should be looking for.
Unpopular opinion I know but I'd still be up for trying Maximin for around £50m instead and save the extra £70m. Physically, dribbling wise he suits the league more.
Around £80m - £90m like Havertz is what we should be looking for.
Unpopular opinion I know but I'd still be up for trying Maximin for around £50m instead and save the extra £70m. Physically, dribbling wise he suits the league more.
Suits the league more? Have you actually watched Dortmund over the past 2 years? £120m would be steep since Dortmund aren't even asking for £110m.
Won't be £120m I can absolutely guarantee that
I have watched Sancho a lot for Dortmund, especially in the CL and particularly his first half season where he broke out.
He tends to do better with space, he's good at dribbling in close spaces but he's not an explosive dribbler. He's exceptional at assisting.
I just worry that in certain games, e.g. against Spurs in the CL last year, he was very ineffective. He's a top player but there is a chance he struggles like Kagawa and Mikhi does. Hence the price. Is the news today not that we offered £89m and Dortmund rejected that and want £120m?
Maximin I say would suit the league more physically only as I've watched Newcastle a lot and he dribbles like Mane, with pace and power and direction, and that's hard to defend against. His end product is nowhere near Sancho's, but from what I've seen he has a footballing brain so it can be improved.
That's why his fee is 66-100M less?
Do you want somebody who can 'do a job' or somebody who could be one of the best players in the world for the next decade? That's the difference we're talking about here. Obviously there are no guarantees but Sancho has a better chance than just about anybody (other than Mbappe) to do that.
It's like choosing Memphis Depay ahead of Eden Hazard. Sure, the former might come good and you might get yourself a steal, but more likely than not you'll end up regretting that decision for the next decade and wondering what could have been as you see that player ripping it up at a rival.
What is it with fans and transfer fees? Personally, I couldn't give a feck how much we spend on a player.
This... so much this.
We could literally have England's WC 2026 starting attack force here. Sancho is that good and while there is no guarantee he slots in perfect he has a better chance than most transfer targets to settle and produce imo.
No, we offered 98m euro which is £89m. They want 120m euro which is £108m and they will likely meet in the middle.
While you may be right about COVID-19's impact on football finances, this bolded part makes no sense! The "job" isn't some menial repetitive task anybody could do but it is to form one of the most creative and destructive side that can sweep major trophies. Finding such players isn't easy and only sometimes you get lucky identifying talent nobody saw (not saying Sancho is necessary one but people here are quite optimistic). Its attitude like this which made us replace likes of Ronaldo, Giggs with Valencia and Young respectively.
You don't often get the chance to buy one of the best young talents in football. If he was over 25 I'd agree but this is a player that could be a star in our team for 10 years. Any team should see 10mil per year for a star as a steal.
Yeah it's a long time since we have brought in a highly rated english starlet
the less we spend on one player , the more we have to spend on others. For instance the club have 80 million to spend.. do you spend 80 million on a cb alone ...or maybe 40 million on a cb and 40 on a number 10. This is why people get a bit agitated over player values as we dont have a bottomless pit of money. Its all opportunity cost
£85 with £20 in achievable add-ons and I think that should do the trick.
Massively exciting as we'll have the English front three playing for Man Utd after Kane runs out of steam which feels like it'll happen sooner rather than later. Rashford is 22, Sancho is 20 and Greenwood is 18. That could be us pretty happy for the next 10 years and thats not counting Martial either.
Massively exciting as we'll have the English front three playing for Man Utd after Kane runs out of steam which feels like it'll happen sooner rather than later. Rashford is 22, Sancho is 20 and Greenwood is 18. That could be us pretty happy for the next 10 years and thats not counting Martial either.
When was the last time English media had any kind of scoop or exclusive on the happenings here? Castles and Mourinho was the last of it, no?
And if that's the case, why would anyone believe a word coming out of the English press' collective mouths?
If they lead on any happening from day to day, instead of reacting, uniformly some hours later to whatever comes from Germany's press, then sure, there might be something in it, but if today's pattern repeats a couple of times, it's fair to say they have nothing and will only be good at the very end when the i's are getting dotted and t's crossed.
And if that's the case, why would anyone believe a word coming out of the English press' collective mouths?
If they lead on any happening from day to day, instead of reacting, uniformly some hours later to whatever comes from Germany's press, then sure, there might be something in it, but if today's pattern repeats a couple of times, it's fair to say they have nothing and will only be good at the very end when the i's are getting dotted and t's crossed.
Rather one major game changer than 3 solid mid-table plodders. We have enough of the “not quite good enough” on our rolls.
This is one of the great things about Manchester United
...we attract the biggest names in World football.
It's a great feeling, and I just hope once we do sign him he actually lives up to expectations.
...we attract the biggest names in World football.
It's a great feeling, and I just hope once we do sign him he actually lives up to expectations.
It doesnt work like that. We have a set valuation for every player.
We arent living paycheck to paycheck here. We arent suddenly going to overpay for another player because we got a few milion off of the fee from another
Sancho is just about to have his age 20 season. That's the point. He has room for improvement. He's not the finished product at just having turned 20 years old. Not many players showed his dribbling at age 18 and 19. As good of a dribbler he is right now, he can still make a jump up just like Hazard did (well most players do in their early 20s).
and thats fine. Its an opportunity cost the club will have to weigh up, but its why i think fans harp on transfer fees because we have a budget and they want the club to get the most out of the budget
Nice to see this thread on Sancho is more sensible then the Newbie's one... I'll come here for some rational thought on the topic using my allowed daily quota.
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