The mask debate

Will you wear a mask/face covering?

  • No issue wearing one; it’s the right thing to do

    Votes: 424 63.3%
  • Yes but only if it’s mandatory

    Votes: 96 14.3%
  • Only in stores and public transport

    Votes: 126 18.8%
  • No (for health reasons)

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • No (believe it doesn’t help)

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • No (don’t like being told what to do. My choice)

    Votes: 12 1.8%

  • Total voters
    670

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Still not getting it, she is not allowed to influence it. The ministry has independent control of the public health and control in a pandemic. They call the shots.
Yes, yes, here's a handy page from Sweden's Health Ministry with their spokesperson Minister for Health Lena Hallengren making some spokes person comments about something she has nothing to do with.

https://www.government.se/government-of-sweden/ministry-of-health-and-social-affairs/
 

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Out of interest, what exactly are anti-maskers afraid of? Or paranoid about?
Everything, because as someone mentioned above they are (on my FB feed at least) the same people posting about 5G, anti-vax, bill gates is an evil alien overlord, etc.
 
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Yes, yes, here's a handy page from Sweden's Health Ministry with their spokesperson Minister for Health Lena Hallengren making some spokes person comments about something she has nothing to do with.

https://www.government.se/government-of-sweden/ministry-of-health-and-social-affairs/
I know exactly what she does, I live here.

Strange argument this. My only point was to refute that Sweden have “failed” as if you watch the original press conferences from the health ministry (Tegnell and Carlsson) even back in March their strategy was always long term and bringing the curve and deaths down, that has been successful, obviously as the stats show you.
They also have repeatedly banged on about the spikes lockdown countries are likely to see compared to a long term approach, after they leave lockdown, this is proving to be true all over the World.
Claiming a review/investigation into the pandemic response as an admittance of failure is media garbage, aside from enormous issues with care homes, the strategy has played out exactly as they said it would in March.
 
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Out of interest, what exactly are anti-maskers afraid of? Or paranoid about?
I don’t think they’re afraid of anything. More that they’re the type of people who want to defy being told what to do at every turn because it’s all part of a big government conspiracy.
 

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When facial recognition technology becomes more widespread in the west, we'll see anti-maskers start wearing masks.
 

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Everything, because as someone mentioned above they are (on my FB feed at least) the same people posting about 5G, anti-vax, bill gates is an evil alien overlord, etc.
Ah yes, I have read theories regarding Corona and 5G and the anti-vaxxer agenda and I can fathom how some people find those arguments convincing. They are nonsense of course, to anyone with half a brain, but still they have some minute degree of logic that perhaps convinces certain people.

But, it has to take some real mental gymnastics to convince yourself that wearing what is essentially a piece of cloth or Polypropylene around your face, can in any way harm you. :houllier:
 

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I know exactly what she does, I live here.

Strange argument this. My only point was to refute that Sweden have “failed” as if you watch the original press conferences from the health ministry (Tegnell and Carlsson) even back in March their strategy was always long term and bringing the curve and deaths down, that has been successful, obviously as the stats show you.
They also have repeatedly banged on about the spikes lockdown countries are likely to see compared to a long term approach, after they leave lockdown, this is proving to be true all over the World.
Yes, of course you know all about it, we're fully aware that the Head of the Ministry isn't in charge of anything despite being named the Head of the Ministry of Health and Social Affairs but your point was that Sweden is pissing all over plenty of other countries. And my point was to point out that Sweden is doing so well pissing over the four countries you named but not pissing all over Sweden's neighbours or in fact the US and has a worse death rate. You then tried to shift the goalposts with your 'oh but we're not at the end yet are we?' Missing the point that both you and I and the media articles were talking about at this point in time Sweden is pissing over all four of the earliest and worst affected European countries, and not, at the end of the pandemic.

Still confused? I don't think you should be, yours was a pretty poor pissing all over plenty of other countries jingoistic statement at this point in time because we don't have a magic future telling ball of shit and that all of the media outlets reporting are wrong, according to you.
 
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Still confused? I don't think you should be, yours was a pretty poor pissing all over plenty of other countries jingoistic statement at this point in time because we don't have a magic future telling ball of shit and that all of the media outlets reporting are wrong, according to you.
We don’t need a magic ball to look at current trends mate, that’s why predictions can be made during pandemics.
 

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We don’t need a magic ball to look at current trends mate, that’s why predictions can be made during pandemics.
Just bore off Reggie. Current stats say Sweden has a worse rate of death than it's neighbours and even the US and the economy and tourism is tanking just the same as plenty of other countries :lol:
 

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Lads I’m trying to keep the mask debate seperate from arguing about general Covid stuff. The Swedish debate belongs in the other thread I think
Apologies. I think it's done now as far as I'm concerned, you can only try and keep the goalposts in place for so long before losing the will to live.
 

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Much though I trust social media when I do research that figure sounds like bullshit. 97% had serious pre-existing medical conditions? Sounds VERY high to me.

But lets assume that is true. Do people with another medical condition or are old matter? If they died earlier than they would have otherwise then Covid killed them and we owe it to all of our population to protect them.
Agree with all that.
 

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Yeah they are paranoid ones. Those walking around wearing masks all day aren't paranoid at all.
Mate... It's not paranoia. People wear masks mainly to protect other people, rather than themselves. Maskless people are being antisocial disease spreaders. They are like people who refuse to wear deodorant on a hot day (although far worse). Shame on them. They can feck off.
 
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Went to our local ale shop to pick up a few after today's result and forgot my mask. Felt like an utter scumbag. I know the lad in there so he said I was fine to come in but I kept apologising. I've been wearing one since lockdown started so no excuses.
 

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I saw 3 people with masks today, who had the mask beneath their nose. Seriously, what the feck is wrong with people, how does that even make sense?!
 

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My fecking glasses keep fogging up and I look like an eejit when I'm wearing one in the shops

People with no masks just looking at me and my fogged up spectacles

Feck sake
If you are wearing one of the surgical type masks, push the metal strip down over the bridge of your nose. That should reduce the fogging considerably.

If the metal bridge is under your chin, you've got it on upside down :p
 

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Mate... It's not paranoia. People wear masks mainly to protect other people, rather than themselves. Maskless people are being antisocial disease spreaders. They are like people who refuse to wear deodorant on a hot day (although far worse). Shame on them. They can feck off.
You are talking with a flat earther, anti-vaxxer, chemical spreading conspiracy theorist believer.
 

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I don't know why this is even considered a debate.

Lets open a debate on whether roads should have speedlimits. I don't like being told to slow down. It's my choice, these roads are free, paid for with tax payer money. If I want to drive at a speed of 300 km/h every time I drive my car, I should totally be allowed to. It's not proven to be dangerous, people crash while going fast during NASCAR all the time. Instead you guys are trying to make us all become sheep in your big global domination scheme by having these fake speed limits. Down with your communist agenda I say!!
 

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Tesco can't really refuse to serve non-maskers, when loads of their staff are wandering about mask-less.

In the self service area yesterday, the woman handing out bags and helping the idiots who can't use self service tills was mask-less with zero social distancing.
 

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Why can’t people seperate mask wearing from politics? It’s a common sense approach to stopping the spread. Seriously, grow up.
Eughhh!! I am feeling myself become more irritated by the stupidity and ignorance everywhere I go online. I think I’m going to take a break from FB and Twitter for a start
 

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Why can’t people seperate mask wearing from politics? It’s a common sense approach to stopping the spread. Seriously, grow up.
Eughhh!! I am feeling myself become more irritated by the stupidity and ignorance everywhere I go online. I think I’m going to take a break from FB and Twitter for a start
It must be exhausting (and unhealthy) getting that worked up over wearing a mask for 10 minutes in Tesco.
 

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I didn't say it had changed.

Look, I think lockdown was the right strategy for many of the countries that have chosen it but I have been steadfast from the beginning in saying while, in the short-term, Australia, NZ etc look like they've done an amazing job, there is not much point in congratulating some countries and attacking others (ie Sweden) until we get to the end of this thing. And the long term impacts may not be seen for years, if not decades.

I also think there is no one strategy beats all and all countries must make their own decisions regarding what is right for them. There is no way any country in Europe could realistically do what NZ has done for instance. Its just impossible, each country is far more interconnected with dozens of other countries than NZ is with any country.

Within this particular idea, while I think Sweden has made many mistakes, I did not see much point in getting hysterical about things and criticising them because we are nowhere near the end yet.

However, you are doing the exact same thing but in reverse. Jingoistically proclaiming how Sweden are 'pissing on UK/Belgium/Spain/Italy'. Even if you were, there is nothing at all to pat yourself on the back about for pissing on the 4 worst affected countries in the continent so far. Saying how good a job Sweden has done...when we have no idea how Sweden's curves will go (or indeed other countries') in the future. Posting economic charts (predicted) when we do not know how this will affect the economies of countries into the future.

As an example to the above. Japan never really locked down. They didn't close borders as such, though international tourism did of course fall off a cliff. They all wear masks and generally as a population social distance (when not stuff on top of each other on Tokyo trains). Restaurants and night-life areas have stayed mostly open. And yet they have had a sudden increase in their number of cases.
A lot of what youve said about Japan is not quite true: the one truth is that about 99% of people wear masks. A lockdown happened, the entertainment industry saw dramatic reductions in customers, immigration and airtravel stopped and generally Japanese people never took to the social distancing concept.

They do wear masks though and will continue to for a long time to come.

The thing with masks is that for it to work everybody has to take part and stop the spread.
 

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Why is [this] not [the right approach]?
For starters, the advice is for facial coverings:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speec...datory-in-shops-and-supermarkets-from-24-july

Secondly, when you start not letting people into stores based on the type of mask/ facial covering, then you are opening up a serious can of worms there.

At least by the picture alone, he seems to have made a reasonable attempt, which is what you would expect from the general public and all you can really ask for.

As I hinted at in my earlier post, there may be another side to the story.
 

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This might not impress those of you who wish to be enraged but I’ve been in shops on three occasions over the past three days and I can count on one hand the amount of people who were not wearing a mask. I live in one of the most economically deprived areas of the UK, too.

I know that shaming those we consider to be beneath us is a bit of a sport these days, but the general public has responded well to the mask request in my experience. Sort of like the way they responded well to the period of lockdown.

I’m quite impressed. So instead of focusing on the one or two people that aren’t quite wearing their mask right, I’ll focus on the positive side of things.
 

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People suck. Last week you would go into Asda and everyone was wearing a mask because the Scottish government line was a hard edged "wear a fecking mask". But today only 80% people were wearing one, and half of them had it hanging under their nose. Nobody on the tills was wearing one either.

All because Johnson and his weak as feck "wear one if you can" line is letting people have some leeway. Give them an inch and they'll take a fecking mile. Absolute wankers.
 

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A lot of what youve said about Japan is not quite true: the one truth is that about 99% of people wear masks. A lockdown happened, the entertainment industry saw dramatic reductions in customers, immigration and airtravel stopped and generally Japanese people never took to the social distancing concept.

They do wear masks though and will continue to for a long time to come.

The thing with masks is that for it to work everybody has to take part and stop the spread.
My friends in Japan (especially in Osaka for instance) certainly gave the impression that they never really locked down. Certainly their social media was far more busy than anyone I knew in Europe or Australia.

I didn't say nothing happened in Japan. Just that they did not do the hard lockdown of Italy or Spain, nor (as far as I'm aware) did they close the borders completely like NZ did for instance.

Certainly their approach was not as heavy as it has been in some of those countries.
 

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People suck. Last week you would go into Asda and everyone was wearing a mask because the Scottish government line was a hard edged "wear a fecking mask". But today only 80% people were wearing one, and half of them had it hanging under their nose. Nobody on the tills was wearing one either.

All because Johnson and his weak as feck "wear one if you can" line is letting people have some leeway. Give them an inch and they'll take a fecking mile. Absolute wankers.
Been the problem throughout with Scotland and England taking a different stance. It's shite.
 

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My friends in Japan (especially in Osaka for instance) certainly gave the impression that they never really locked down. Certainly their social media was far more busy than anyone I knew in Europe or Australia.

I didn't say nothing happened in Japan. Just that they did not do the hard lockdown of Italy or Spain, nor (as far as I'm aware) did they close the borders completely like NZ did for instance.

Certainly their approach was not as heavy as it has been in some of those countries.
It's all about stopping the transmission. Japanese is known to have a very high level of self-discipline and if everyone is wearing a mask when they go out, a hard lock down is not really necessary.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/world/asia/japan-coronavirus-masks.html
 

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Been the problem throughout with Scotland and England taking a different stance. It's shite.
Don`t forget Wales , still don`t have to wear a mask in Wales and no one does . There are folk here from all over the place on holiday and know one wears a mask . Wales the petri dish of the UK .