For this kind of pandemic, delaying for one day is already too much. To me the only way to solve the crisis is by containing and eliminating the virus in China, better in Wuhan. Once it starts to spread to other countries, there's no stopping it and all efforts are only meant to minimize the damage. The best timing to rescue the situation has already been past and China is definitely the major culprit. But I agree that the delays and missteps from that point onwards can't be blamed on China.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Yeah, agree with all of this. It’s hard to know if this virus ever could have been contained completely. It’s so perfectly designed to spread. Even so, the response has been so far from perfect, all over the world, it’s made the pandemic inevitable.
It’s been painful to watch this unfold in slow motion, right in front of our eyes. I remember @Arruda calling this very early on and being extremely frustrated at why everyone else wasn’t seeing the same thing. Boy has he been proved right!
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/29/gohmert-masks-coronavirus-texas/
So the dumbass made people work closely together in his office, berated anyone who wore a mask, and then after being tested as positive called all his staff together in his office and told them he was positive face to face. The level of fecking stupid is incredible..
Boris and his cabinet still do not have a clue how to deal with this virus and now they are talking up a second wave.
Precisely. People don't walk into a different country. They take a fecking plane.
We are all one flight away from each other.
Local authorities response makes all the difference.
You don't believe the data yet you're confident in calling out that we're not at the beginning of the end. Spare us the drama please.
It has nothing to do with pillar 1 or 2 data.
As I tried to explain, if the number of actual cases remains constant, the number of tests showing a positive covid result will also remain constant.
That is basis statistics.
In this case, the variable is the increased number of actual cases. And not the number of tests.
Just to be clear.
It is not me saying that we are not at the end of the beginning.
A number of the government chief scientists have said that.
Anyway. I had thought that we were having a sensible discussion.
Clearly you prefer to resort to insults which is a shame.
But back to the original point....
Wednesday tests last week were 121,694, this week 130,611 so there is variables on both sides. Increase of cases is 203 from the prior week, it actually equates to a relative 0.12% increase in cases week on week - not the beginning of the end. With hospital admissions still down, it would explain that we're seeing more community testing (shown in the increase of testing) and finding more asymptomatic cases in the community (due to the lack of increase in hospital admissions).
You're not isolated as in disconnected from the world, obviously. Geographically speaking though you're one of the toughest places to get to for a lot of places in the world, and being an island it's much easier to regulate incomings/outgoings than say your typical West-European country with their free borders.
NZ is also a typical example of a country that's not just "one flight away" for the majority of the world, I'd imagine. Not sure about other places but certainly not Europe.
This could have been written by me.
When I get a cold it hits my chest bad and I've been suspected Asthmatic for a while, I just couldn't be bothered doing anything about it. Used to run 5k's nightly with no issue and then out of nowhere a few years ago I couldn't run a few hundred yards without having an inhaler.
I've been short of breath and wheezing for months and i've been hit with bad 'flu' a couple of times. I was isolating at the start of March for 14 days because of it and it didn't really go away until a bout ten days ago. I've had to get a Negative test to be able to go get chest X-Rays etc which are next week but now I'm better I feel a bit of a fraud. My test did come back negative but it said to test on day 4, not day 90, so it came back as expected.
You are right. My apologies.
Could you not get an antibody test done?
I'm jumping straight into this without reading many of the last posts but my feelings towards this pandemic still remains rather fraught in danger.
Do many of you share this fear? Naturally I am an anxious person but my perception of those around me and my environment seems to indicate that people are very relaxed about Covid.
The distancing is not being obeyed in the park that I go to. My friend had a party in a restaurant to which I kindly refused.
Do many of you share this fear? Naturally I am an anxious person but my perception of those around me and my environment seems to indicate that people are very relaxed about Covid.
The distancing is not being obeyed in the park that I go to. My friend had a party in a restaurant to which I kindly refused.
Yeah it's just so annoying more than anything, I'm 24 in decent shape not a smoker etc. and used to play football a couple of times a week before this so knew I had no issues like this before, I've not played football since and obviously fitness will have fallen off a cliff in lockdown regardless but there's days now where I've been walking for half an hour or so and have to stop for a sec to get my breath back because I can't while walking properly. I got used to the short breath after a few months and now when it comes and goes it feels more of an inconvenience than a worry like it was for me initially but I just wish it would feck off for good. God knows if it's something that will get better over time or it's now just something I've gotta live with.
Would like to get an antibodies test to confirm it but think it'd make me more paranoid if it came back negative even though they aren't 100% and don't fancy paying £65 for one either way.
We're up to 23 active infections and a few hundred in quarantine so the government put back on stricter regulations in Iceland, the day before what would usually be the busiests travel holiday of the year. At most 100 people gathering and strict 2m distance as of tomorrow. Everyone on public transport must wear masks. Everyone that enters the country has to go through the test twice (had a case where a person got a negative test upon arrival but had the virus and spread it at gathering).
I'm happy with the swiftness of the government. I'm for regulations being as strict as possible at any sign of danger.
I'm happy with the swiftness of the government. I'm for regulations being as strict as possible at any sign of danger.
The real annoyance for me is people seem to be on one end of the scale or the other, there's more that fall into one of them categories than people who are seeing the medium it feels (which at this point is carry on the very best you can with all the appropriate precautions).
On another note who else has been randomenly selected for testing by Imperial?
85 new infections today that's a big fecking jump.
Fuuuuuuuuuuck. Same day we find out there’s only 6 hospitalised patients in the whole country. At least we’ve beds for them if they need it!
Almost one month on and I still can't believe America
I've not been following this thread, admittedly, but doesn't anyone find the 'official' figures per Worldometer a little fishy?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Are we to believe that the Iranian health service is so much better than the NHS? A similar number of cases, yet, mercifully, only a little over a 1/3 the number of deaths?
8.5 times the number of cases in Brazil, a country that, apparently, doesn't give a feck about Coronavirus, yet only twice the number of deaths?
Even in Europe, it was well documented that Germany was doing better than most, but they still have 2/3rds the number of cases in the UK, but, again, mercifully, only 20% of the number of deaths.
France's figures do seem to be more in proportion, although their lock down was particularly severe and there were less cases overall.
Someone isn't telling the whole truth here, because I simply do not believe these 'official' figures.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Are we to believe that the Iranian health service is so much better than the NHS? A similar number of cases, yet, mercifully, only a little over a 1/3 the number of deaths?
8.5 times the number of cases in Brazil, a country that, apparently, doesn't give a feck about Coronavirus, yet only twice the number of deaths?
Even in Europe, it was well documented that Germany was doing better than most, but they still have 2/3rds the number of cases in the UK, but, again, mercifully, only 20% of the number of deaths.
France's figures do seem to be more in proportion, although their lock down was particularly severe and there were less cases overall.
Someone isn't telling the whole truth here, because I simply do not believe these 'official' figures.
Most of them are Dublin and the Dublin catchment area, a few in Clare and limerick
Worldometer very early on were highlighted as having inaccurate data. The FT publishes the most accurate global view in my opinion.
The UK data is as per announced by HM Government, it's the same as given on the News.
Do you have a link to the FT data, or is it paywalled?
A bunch in Kildare too. Seem to be clusters all over the place. It is interesting that our hospitals have emptied out. The week before last we were getting nearly 20 cases a day. They must have almost all stayed out of hospital. Which is encouraging. Hopefully this lot are all mild cases too.
Sorry, I meant the other countries data isn't that reliable from Worldometer.
Not behind a paywall - https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938
Only 6 in hospital? Not ICU? Wow, that’s really incredible.
You can’t trust that either though as stats in most places aren’t coming close to adding up when compared with excess deaths.
The Economist is doing a decent job of tracking this but it’s obviously delayed and it’s a real shame they don’t have data for all countries.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
Otherwise I’d suggest https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...y-average?country=ITA~USA~GBR~KOR~CAN~DEU~SWE
6 total. 4 of them in ITU. Our population is tiny though. 5 million people.
Regardless of whether you trust the coronavirus figures - which vary according to the recording method - it has been consistently demonstrated that the UK has the most excess deaths in Europe, irrespective of the recorded cause of death. There's no opportunity for e.g. Germany to not tell the whole truth there. That's from the UK's own analysis. The truth is that the UK handled it particularly badly, in large part because of how they managed the care home situation. They actively pushed it back into the places and people that are most likely to be severely affected at the worst possible time.
I used to look at the worldometer site, but a number of days ago I read the the US had a specific number of new cases and the worldometer data was much lower.
Just saw Hermain Cain died from Covid.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53600376
He went to the Trump rally just before he tested positive as well.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53600376
He went to the Trump rally just before he tested positive as well.
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So I assume that means people can’t go to work?
Lets all drive to Durham
That should be the case. Doubt it will though. WoRk iS EvEryThiNg.