What next for Eddie Howe?

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Wilson for £3 mil.
King on a free.
Ake for £20 mil.
Brooks for £10 mil.

There's a few really good transfers he made.
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That’s basically it though, after 4 years and 8 windows (and a few windows before that with good money in the Championship) with proper Premier League money.

Danjuma 18 million
Billing 16.5 million
Kelly 15 million
Lerma 28 million
Solanke 21 million
Rico 15 million
Mepham 14 million
Rico 15 million
Ibe 18 million
Afobe 13 million
Gradel 10 million

A total of 183,5 million on the above. It’s a horrendous record. Someone like Palace should have a look at it.

I think this, coupled with how many goals his teams concede, is a very risky appointment for a side with limited resources. A spend like the above somewhere like Palace could sink the club for good without wealthy owners to cover for mistakes.
 

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I think he'll do well again if he goes to a club that gives him some time to implement his style of play.
 

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Without a doubt, he hasn't been horrible, however over the past 2 seasons these are his noticeable signings.
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Jefferson Lerma - 25 milion
Dominic Solanke - 20 million
Diego Rico - 13 million
Chris Mephem - 12 million
David Brooks - 10 million

2019/2020
Arnaut Danjuma - 16 million
Philip Billing - 15 million
Lloyd Kelly - 13 million
Jack Stacey - 4 million

Very few of these have proven to be anywhere near Premier League quality, David Brooks has been brilliant, and Billing hasn't been too bad and would probably do ok in other bottom half sides, but other than those two I struggle to see any value for money in any of these signings, although Jack Stacey was only 4 million, and came in to be a rotation option.

Add to this that some of the departures have been a little naive if you ask me. Yes they got a good bit of money for Mings, but he's been one of the reasons Aston Villa have stayed up this season, and Mousset has had a decent enough season with Sheffield United.
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They can't all be instant winners, name me a manager thats only signed successful players?

The key is getting the majority right which is what he did throughout his time there. Also the players mentioned, its too early to right off the likes of Kelly, Mephem and even Solanke.

Take Solanke for example, dropping down to Championship is a good thing imo, he's definitely got talent but too much has been expected from him too soon. Deemed a English wonderkid at Chelsea, than Liverpool and then a big money transfer, that's a lot for someone that's done nothing at the top level. Learning his trade in the Championship and getting used to consistently scoring goals in the men's game would be very beneficial for his confidence.
Ibe definitely was cock up, and the only true write off, he has a terrible attitude, offered nothing and they got nothing for him, he can't even get club to sign him on a free....
With regards to Mings & Mousset they made money on them so am not sure how they are deemed as failures on Bournemouth's part.

Tbh, I can't think of many teams that have gone down that had such a pool of talent which lots of clubs are going to want, Leeds are probably the other, which looking back was pretty amazing, Smith, Viduka, Kewell, Milner, Lennon to name a few...:eek:
Bournemouth can get rid of Ake (40m, Wilson(35m), Brooks(40m) & King(20m) and make back around 135m (would be near 160m had they cashed in on Fraser) thats alot for a relegated team and would put them in a positive territory for their net spend (-133m now) over the 5 years they were in the PL.

Imo, had just one of Brooks, Wilson or Fraser been fit and committed for the whole season they would have definitely stayed up.
 
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He kept a team who wouldn't be a giant in league 1 in the premier league for 5 years for goodness sake!
Having taken them up there to start with, from league 2 over two spells.

It's an utterly phenomenal job.

His problem was that he should have taken another job when his reputation was at its hottest.
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They might not be a big team but they spent £250 million. Regardless on the size of the club that is big money for a team. Shouldn’t be getting relegated when they are spending that money. The first two seasons in the Prem were impressive. Did well to keep them up first year then finished around mid table in his 2nd. However they’ve went backwards since then despite spending a whack of money. They aren’t some broke club who were on a shoestring budget making small money signings to stay in the league. They were spending decent money without ever actually improving, arguably regressing. Howe never once showed any improvement either, neither tactically or in his ability to build some sort of defence.

they’re 8th for Net spend in the last 5 years, only Brighton are above them that aren’t a top side. The narrative around them is that they are minnows but their net spend/normal spend is anything but.
 

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I reckon Eddie would do very well at a club with an established Technical Director, of Director of Football. He's a very good man manager, plays attractive football, and is tactically astute, but his transfer dealings have left a bit to be desired.
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This is surprising to hear, apparently he is a my way or the high way kind of guy when it comes to taking input from players.
 

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Overrated. Will likely end up at a Championship yoyo club like Norwich or Swansea or whoever.
 

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Being in the top 5 for GA year in year out shows that he has at no point been able to or had a desire to improve the defence of Bournemouth. This is something which was regularly thrown against Martinez before and is now being used against Lampard too. It was a categorical failure of Bournemouth and led to their relegation.
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That's overall, not just against the top 6. But yeah, overall, Bournemouth don't score a lot of goals either, so it's suicide tactics to just keep going on the same way.
 

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That’s basically it though, after 4 years and 8 windows (and a few windows before that with good money in the Championship) with proper Premier League money.

Danjuma 18 million
Billing 16.5 million
Kelly 15 million
Lerma 28 million
Solanke 21 million
Rico 15 million
Mepham 14 million
Rico 15 million
Ibe 18 million
Afobe 13 million
Gradel 10 million

A total of 183,5 million on the above. It’s a horrendous record. Someone like Palace should have a look at it.

I think this, coupled with how many goals his teams concede, is a very risky appointment for a side with limited resources. A spend like the above somewhere like Palace could sink the club for good without wealthy owners to cover for mistakes.
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:lol:

Where are you getting these fees from? Are you adding a few million to each on purpose? Not one is correct. You jotted down Rico twice, I really hope you don't work in finance in anyway..
 

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Where are you getting these fees from? Are you adding a few million to each on purpose? Not one is correct. You jotted down Rico twice, I really hope you don't work in finance in anyway..
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All taken from Transfermarkt, which is the first place most would go for accurate transfer fees. I do see they are in Euros now, but doesn’t take anything away from it being a horrendous transfer record as a percentage of his overall spend. Really poor. Replace Begovic for the Rico one. There are a few more I didn’t bother mentioning either.

These are my favourite CAF posts though. The ridiculous “I hope you don’t work in such and such an area”, based on a random, hurried post on a football forum. Genuine classic, and as stupid a conclusion as one could take from a random post.

Is his transfer record as woefully bad in Euros as it is in pounds? Yes! Does that mistake make the point any less valid about a team that couldn’t even replace AWB in the summer? No, it doesn’t. It would be a very high risk appointment for Crystal Palace.

“Actually, in pounds, he only wasted 160 million, not 180”. Great, I guess!
 
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All taken from Transfermarkt, which is the first place most would go for accurate transfer fees. Nothing added, though I do see they are in Euros now, but doesn’t take anything away from it being a horrendous transfer record as a percentage of his overall spend. Really poor. Replace Begovic for the Rico one.

These are my favourite CAF posts though. The ridiculous “I hope you don’t work in such and such an area”, based on a random, hurried post on a football forum. Genuine classic, and as stupid a conclusion as one could take from a random post.

Is his transfer record as woefully bad in Euros as it is in pounds? Yes! Does that mistake make the point any less valid about a team that couldn’t even replace AWB in the summer? No, it doesn’t. It would be a very high risk appointment for Crystal Palace.

“Actually, in pounds, he only wasted 160 million, not 180”. Great, I guess!
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Sorry didn't realise you would be so touche about it, nvm..
 

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Aston Villa or West Brom beckons next season I reckon. A chairman will pull the trigger quickly next season if their team gets off to a bad start with a guy like Howe out on the free market.
 

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Sorry didn't realise you would be so touche about it, nvm..
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Sorry, that came across a lot more aggressively than i felt while typing it! Just wanted to say that my mistake didn’t really change my overall point. Apologies if it came across that way.
 

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I think he is a good coach & plays good football but seems a bit naive tactically at times & is absolutely horrendous in the transfer market.

If a top flight club take him on a DOF would be absolutely essential.
 

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Aston Villa or West Brom beckons next season I reckon. A chairman will pull the trigger quickly next season if their team gets off to a bad start with a guy like Howe out on the free market.
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West Brom have Bilic who's a fantastic manager.

Villa would be a good move. But I doubt they'll sack Dean Smith. He's a local, done a great job in getting them promoted, hasn't got relegated (barely), they've already committed a large amount of money on his vision for the club, and Ron Smith (his dad) was a long term supporter and steward at Villa Park - who recently died of COVID-19. I think they'll give him another season to show some improvement.

Edit: Nevermind, I must have missed the second sentence. Your right, he'll replace the first sacked manager most likely.
 

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He should take a year off. It looked a lot like he was completely burned out by the end.
 

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Nowhere else will mean as much as Bournemouth to him. I don't think this is one of those situations where mutual consent is just a nice way of saying he got the sack. If he had the fight in him for next season then he'd probably still be the manager. If he hasn't got the energy to carry on with the club he has so much affinity for then I don't see it as guaranteed that he'd find it for anyone else.

Wouldn't be that surprised if he doesn't work again as a manager, or if he does then he isn't as committed deep down and doesn't last too long.

Would agree that he at least needs a rest to renergise for now, see if he gets his fight back.
 

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He’ll do a few months at another job then go back to Bournemouth like he did the last time.
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He spent over two years at Burnley and only left because his wife was dying.

A lot of people on here seem to be talking complete nonsense, Eddie Howes dedication and hard work will see him do well wherever he goes.

He took over Bournemouth with the side at the bottom of League 2 with a -17 point total and a transfer embargo. He kept them up which in itself is remarkable but then the following season he took them to League 1. Then with Burnley he finished 8th and 12th in the Championship, hardly disastrous. Then he returned to Bournemouth and won promotion to the Championship and eventually the Premuer league. Managed to consolidate their position for 5 years and to be fair, despite having a poor season were still only a West Ham goal away from beating the drop.

The way that some of you are talking about him on here absolutely reeks of big club arrogance quite frankly.

The way that I know the setup there and the spirit of the club, I don't think its unfair to say it is largely Eddie's influence that has created such a wonderful community club. The man is only 42 and will find success wherever he goes in my opinion.

I'm currently terrified that they might come in for Weymouths manager, i know that seems unlikely but he has won 4 trophies in 2 years as well as back to back promotions, not to mention the fact he already works there as an u21 coach.
 

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I think these tweets from Bournemouth make it quite clear it was Howe's decision. Not sure Hughton is the right man to replace him either, I don't know how far a pragmatic manager like him can take Bournemouth.
 

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Rolandofgilead said:
He spent over two years at Burnley and only left because his wife was dying.

A lot of people on here seem to be talking complete nonsense, Eddie Howes dedication and hard work will see him do well wherever he goes.

He took over Bournemouth with the side at the bottom of League 2 with a -17 point total and a transfer embargo. He kept them up which in itself is remarkable but then the following season he took them to League 1. Then with Burnley he finished 8th and 12th in the Championship, hardly disastrous. Then he returned to Bournemouth and won promotion to the Championship and eventually the Premuer league. Managed to consolidate their position for 5 years and to be fair, despite having a poor season were still only a West Ham goal away from beating the drop.

The way that some of you are talking about him on here absolutely reeks of big club arrogance quite frankly.

The way that I know the setup there and the spirit of the club, I don't think its unfair to say it is largely Eddie's influence that has created such a wonderful community club. The man is only 42 and will find success wherever he goes in my opinion.

I'm currently terrified that they might come in for Weymouths manager, i know that seems unlikely but he has won 4 trophies in 2 years as well as back to back promotions, not to mention the fact he already works there as an u21 coach.
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Was it not because his mother died? He just seemed like a guy who couldn’t handle living away from his comfort zone. You’re taking the idea that people don’t rate Howe as highly as you very personally. He doesn’t walk on water. He did a good job at Bournemouth and stayed too long. He now has decided that he’s too big for them.
 

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I don't think that Howe failed at Burnley, and he was definitely an improvement on Brian Laws. The Burnley fans I know think that he wasn't a huge success there or a failure either, and was building a talented young squad. 8th in 2010/2011 and then 13th in 2011/2012 was OK.

They made a pretty poor start to the 2012/2013 season under him though (despite the prolific goal-scoring of Charlie Austin) and conceded 22 goals in those first 10 games. His personal / family issues increasingly wore him down during the end of his time there and he looked pretty dispirited. Unsurprisingly Dyche pretty quickly tightened their defence after he was appointed.

Crucially he did identify and sign some very good, talented young players who played an important part in Burnley's first promotion under Dyche (Shackell, Mee, Trippier, Vokes and Ings) and at bargain prices, plus he also signed Austin who left for relegated QPR that summer.
 
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Was it not because his mother died? He just seemed like a guy who couldn’t handle living away from his comfort zone. You’re taking the idea that people don’t rate Howe as highly as you very personally. He doesn’t walk on water. He did a good job at Bournemouth and stayed too long. He now has decided that he’s too big for them.
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:lol: I don't take it personally, I just think many people on here underestimate just how good of a job he did. I'd probably stick my money on him cropping up at either Newcastle or Spurs. And i believe he will do a very good job at either.
 

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He comes across right now as a guy who left to take a year out of football. He doesn’t seem to have the energy that he has at the beginning of their time in the PL. Continued losses has probably played a part in that, can imagine that will start to weigh heavy on anyone.

As for the future, I believe he can succeed with a decent DOF behind him in a head coach role. He is clearly capable of improving bang average players however he is indeed bad at identifying players in the current market. Of course he has made some successful signings and the fees paid out are nothing to do with him but half his side (most of the better half) are players Bournemouth have had for a long time and that shows that he has failed to expand on a great foundation.

Bournemouth might be a small club but they are by no means a poor club. They have been backed with money And were fined in the championship for breaking rules on expenditure. It’ll be interesting to compare them to Newcastle in the same period of time, a club who feel they weren’t backed enough by Ashley.
 

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Why does “Everton” always seem to be the answer to any “Where will *insert random player or manager* end up?” question?
 

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Why does “Everton” always seem to be the answer to any “Where will *insert random player or manager* end up?” question?
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It's always Everton and Newcastle for random players and managers. Spurs used to be in that mix but not as much these days.
 

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I think he will sit it out for 6/12 months and see where the managerial merry-go-round is at by then. Wouldn't surprise me if he went somewhere as a number two for a bit in the meantime and put the cones out for a bit. He seemed to run out of ideas a bit towards the end and it's on record just how much time and work he puts into the job, so going working under someone else and being out of the firing line might just do him the world of good and allow him to freshen up his own approach.
 

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Rolandofgilead said:
He spent over two years at Burnley and only left because his wife was dying.

A lot of people on here seem to be talking complete nonsense, Eddie Howes dedication and hard work will see him do well wherever he goes.

He took over Bournemouth with the side at the bottom of League 2 with a -17 point total and a transfer embargo. He kept them up which in itself is remarkable but then the following season he took them to League 1. Then with Burnley he finished 8th and 12th in the Championship, hardly disastrous. Then he returned to Bournemouth and won promotion to the Championship and eventually the Premuer league. Managed to consolidate their position for 5 years and to be fair, despite having a poor season were still only a West Ham goal away from beating the drop.

The way that some of you are talking about him on here absolutely reeks of big club arrogance quite frankly.

The way that I know the setup there and the spirit of the club, I don't think its unfair to say it is largely Eddie's influence that has created such a wonderful community club. The man is only 42 and will find success wherever he goes in my opinion.

I'm currently terrified that they might come in for Weymouths manager, i know that seems unlikely but he has won 4 trophies in 2 years as well as back to back promotions, not to mention the fact he already works there as an u21 coach.
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I don’t think it’s “big club arrogance” or “complete nonsense” to be skeptical of him. I think you are right about how he did well early doors to get everyone fighting together and improve the spirit at the club. I don’t think anyone in the thread is saying he doesn’t have talent. Bournemouth played some good stuff at times too.

Its certainly not a given that he would do well elsewhere though. They are not a minnow in the English leagues. They got fined for their spending in the Championship and he has been backed with big money signings whilst in the PL.

I think some people just believe that he had time to build a squad in the PL, and he also had time to learn to become more pragmatic (especially against bigger teams) and adapt his strategy and approach as he grew as a coach.

He has failed to do either, and a manager who has wasted so much money and who also hasn’t learned to defend better or change his approach for certain games could be a recipe for disaster for a team that doesn’t have those funds to waste.

As you say, he is only 42, and could be very promising in the future, but I think he would be a massive risk for a bottom half side with limited funds at this stage.

If transfers don’t work and you start to concede goals at the rate Bournemouth did, then a team like Palace would be in a tailspin.
 

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I can't see him at a london club, not sure why.

Maybe Newcastle if they sack Bruce?
I was tempted to say Everton but think Ancelotti will be afforded more time there.

Arsenal will stick with Arteta and Spurs are a mystery - Jose will implode and leave a mess but i think Levy will look abroad.

Howe paid the price for staying too long i feel - a lot of his signings didnt live up to expectations and usually high standards from key players dropped off. Hell of a job he done throughout his time there and he deserves a lot of praise.

I wonder if Ryan Fraser feels guilty? Shameful actions not making himself available and with the margins Bournemouth went down by he could have been the difference.

Solanke and Ibe stand out as abysmal signings. Ibe in particular. Solanke may come good but for the money they paid he's been pretty woeful.

Good luck to Bournemouth - big season for them.

Howe probably needs at least half a season out of the game and will come back stronger
 

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Getting linked with Celtic today. It worked out well for Brendan Rodgers.
 

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