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We’re are the club that over the past several years acted irrationally and irresponsibly with respect to player’s wages. Our wage structure (imo) has been a total joke for some time now (given the actual payback). I know a lot of it has come as a by product of our desperation but a lot of the mistakes are simply a very poor judgement and are not down to any real pressure.

Asset protection strategy has been comical to say the least but the most painful calls are those that have no real analogous in the whole footballing world.

First Sanchez, and a few years later (you would think we would have learned by that point) we go out of our way and give evidently (off the back of the worst season with us) a declining GK unseen wages (3x the nearest best paid in the same position).

Question 1. Why was this sudden urge with no real motivating factor to give such a unimaginable contract?

Question 2. Would there be any realistic takers out there who wouldn’t be put off by such a salary? Even for free similar to Sanchez (at least he’s an outfield player).

Question 3. We’re hearing the reports about us closing in on securing Henderson’s signature, which reportedly would make him 2nd best paid GK in the world without him playing for us once. Why do we do that?
 

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Rajma said:
Question 3. We’re hearing the reports about us closing in on securing Henderson’s signature, which reportedly would make him 2nd best paid GK in the world without him playing for us once. Why do we do that?
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How much, that seems insane?

For DDG, if he is dropped for Henderson I can see PSG/Inter coming in
 

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Unseen wages? I'm sure DDG can see it if he banks online.

Sanchez was a gamble for Jose but having got in a manager of his stature, he had to be trusted. And he was on a free. Hindsight eh?
 

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Inigo Montoya said:
Unseen wages? I'm sure DDG can see it if he banks online.

Sanchez was a gamble for Jose but having got in a manager of his stature, he had to be trusted. And he was on a free. Hindsight eh?
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Sanchez wasn't on a free. Mkhitaryan would have fetched a decent transfer fee if he was sold independently.
 

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Because the wage structure has been set. The only way to go back to being sensible is by selling everyone and starting again. Any player who is going to sign will look at what other players are getting and will definitely demand a similar salary.

Say you apply for job in a company, would you agree a much lesser pay that the other employees knowing you are going to be as important as them?
 

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Inigo Montoya said:
Unseen wages? I'm sure DDG can see it if he banks online.

Sanchez was a gamble for Jose but having got in a manager of his stature, he had to be trusted. And he was on a free. Hindsight eh?
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Why do people say that? Is Mikhy still at United? No. How much did we pay for him? £34 mil, or something like that. So we did not get Sanchez for free.
 

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Apparently, around £110k a week, which would put him above the likes of Ederson, Allison, etc.
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Wow, no other keeper on the planet is on over £110k? That seems mad to me. Surely City/PSG/Real/Barca are over that, and Kepa was signed for a massive fee, wouldn't he get massive wages? Courtois?
 

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What?! No chance Ederson and Alisson are on sub 100k contracts surely?!
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It might be a surprise to you but GK’s don’t usually get paid the same as outfield players in football. Both were brought for huge fees as well.
 

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Isn't Oblak on a fat contract? He bloody should be if he isn't.
 

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Is this not just dragging up the past? The Sanchez wage has been talked to death

Do we know for sure that is the case for his contract?

how much would it cost us to sign a replacement?
would we get it right first time and end up buying another one and another one?

wages are going up all the time I’m surprised there isn’t a keeper on that now.
The club can afford it
 

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Rajma said:
English is not my 1st language, can sometimes come across as too angry/direct if you like without any intention.
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That's cool. It's an interesting debate without it becoming confrontational
 

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United58 said:
Wow, no other keeper on the planet is on over £110k? That seems mad to me. Surely City/PSG/Real/Barca are over that, and Kepa was signed for a massive fee, wouldn't he get massive wages? Courtois?
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Neuer should be, I think he was 200k or so a few years ago. Oblak is also on big wages if I am not mistaken, maybe Courtouis too. Probably not many (if any) others are in much than 100k (I thought that Alisson is on 110k or so, and Ederson in 70-80k).
 

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Neuer should be, I think he was 200k or so a few years ago. Oblak is also on big wages if I am not mistaken, maybe Courtouis too. Probably not many (if any) others are in much than 100k (I thought that Alisson is on 110k or so, and Ederson in 70-80k).
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The latter 2 certainly deserve a lot more
 

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Neuer should be, I think he was 200k or so a few years ago. Oblak is also on big wages if I am not mistaken, maybe Courtouis too. Probably not many (if any) others are in much than 100k (I thought that Alisson is on 110k or so, and Ederson in 70-80k).
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Ederson is 100% on more than that - it may be under the table, but no way is he on less than Lingard
 

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Because the wage structure has been set. The only way to go back to being sensible is by selling everyone and starting again. Any player who is going to sign will look at what other players are getting and will definitely demand a similar salary.

Say you apply for job in a company, would you agree a much lesser pay that the other employees knowing you are going to be as important as them?
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True. You can't blame Henderson for demanding a huge pay rise when de Gea was given the ridiculous 375k-per-week contract despite his terrible performance at the end of last season.
 

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Rajma said:
We’re hearing the reports about us closing in on securing Henderson’s signature, which reportedly would make him 2nd best paid GK in the world without him playing for us once. Why do we do that?
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0 chance of that happening.
 

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Biggest mistake is believing unreliable sites for wages, somehow all Liverpool players are paid nothing but when it comes to total wages, the difference between 2 teams is Sanchez.


So maybe their players are not on low wages and journalists report different wages differently, like including all possible bonuses for one team and reporting just basic for other team.
 

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roonster09 said:
Biggest mistake is believing unreliable sites for wages, somehow all Liverpool players are paid nothing but when it comes to total wages, the difference between 2 teams is Sanchez.


So maybe their players are not on low wages and journalists report different wages differently, like including all possible bonuses for one team and reporting just basic for other team.
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I think our wage bill would increase because of our Cl participation so that could be the big difference between us and Scouser's going forward.
But what the hell is Barcelona doing it can't be all Messi's doing.
 

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gajender said:
I think our wage bill would increase because of our Cl participation so that could be the big difference between us and Scouser's .
But what the hell is Barcelona doing it can't be all Messi's doing.
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That's 2018-19 wage bill, we were in CL that season and even in 2017-18 season we were in CL.

If we are talking about 2019-20 then yeah good chance wages would be even less because of no CL.
 

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Ole didn't involved on that two fat contracts. Pretty sure our fans were demanding Woodward to gives De Gea whatever he wanted couple years ago. Sanchez was a gamble by Mourinho, just because he wanted a super star on his team.

In Henderson case, we can wait until january or next summer to renew his contract. If he could dethrone De Gea, then he deserves that 100k/week contract.
He won't be the 2nd best paid GK with the contact's demand. Curtois, Oblak, ter Stegen, Navas, and Kepa are earning more than that.
 

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gajender said:
I think our wage bill would increase because of our Cl participation so that could be the big difference between us and Scouser's going forward.
But what the hell is Barcelona doing it can't be all Messi's doing.
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Bar Messi they have like 4-5 players currently are on £350k-£400k a week. You do the math. Crazy transfers, crazy wages, you name it. They're probably the worst run club in the world. Ed would look like a genius there.
 

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That's 2018-19 wage bill, we were in CL that season and even in 2017-18 season we were in CL.

If we are talking about 2019-20 then yeah good chance wages would be even less because of no CL.
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Then it's actually great and despite what some of the posters believe our wage always hover's around 50% of our revenue which seems quite reasonable and sustainable going forward and with Sanchez's off the book and possibly few other outgoings we seem to be in better position then most to make big splash in the transfer market.
 

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Bar Messi they have like 4-5 players currently are on £350k-£400k a week. You do the math. Crazy transfers, crazy wages, you name it. They're probably the worst run club in the world. Ed would look like a genius there.
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They could be in big financial trouble if trophies start drying up for them in near future.
 

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Rajma said:
Question 1. Why was this sudden urge with no real motivating factor to give such a unimaginable contract?
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De Gea had been our only world class player and carried us for years, while the likes of Real Madrid had tried to steal him away from us time and again. It was more than rational to offer him that contract at the time, even after an underwhelming season.
 

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United58 said:
Wow, no other keeper on the planet is on over £110k? That seems mad to me. Surely City/PSG/Real/Barca are over that, and Kepa was signed for a massive fee, wouldn't he get massive wages? Courtois?
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Kepa is on £140k per week :)
 

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Ole didn't involved on that two fat contracts. Pretty sure our fans were demanding Woodward to gives De Gea whatever he wanted couple years ago. Sanchez was a gamble by Mourinho, just because he wanted a super star on his team.

In Henderson case, we can wait until january or next summer to renew his contract. If he could dethrone De Gea, then he deserves that 100k/week contract.
He won't be the 2nd best paid GK with the contact's demand. Curtois, Oblak, ter Stegen, Navas, and Kepa are earning more than that.
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Pretty sure de Gea was no longer the "de Gea couple years ago" when he was offered the ridiculous contract.
 

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harms said:
De Gea had been our only world class player and carried us for years, while the likes of Real Madrid had tried to steal him away from us time and again. It was more than rational to offer him that contract at the time, even after an underwhelming season.
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Madrid was the only team interested in de Gea and by that time they'd already captured Courtois.
 

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hmchan said:
Pretty sure de Gea was no longer the "de Gea couple years ago" when he was offered the ridiculous contract.
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At the time he signed his contract his decline was still open to debate. He’d had one meh season, but that was off the back of umpteen great seasons before it. Bear in mind that he’s still young for a goalkeeper, so a permanent decline seemed unlikely.

Obviously by now its clear that it wasn’t just a blip, two poor seasons in a row is more than just that. But I don’t think it was a wild gamble at the time, even if it’s turned out badly for us.
 
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