For me, AWB is definitely better than Reese James. I'd take Martial, Rashford and Pulisic as my combined front three. Pogba and Fernandes walk into the combined team. As do Maguire, Shaw and DDG.
Delay is due to Leverkusen's ongoing participation in the EL. Reports from Germany are that we're still the only team in for him, a deal with Leverkusen is close (barring them unexpectedly winning the EL), terms with Havertz are agreed, and that he's keen on the switch.
No worries!Sup duffer.
Cool, thanks man, was wondering why it was so quiet.
How so? Fernandes has had a brillant start, obviously, but that's quite a small sample set. On the contrary, I'd argue Havertz' best season is up there with Pogba's best seasons. Just a quick research at sofascore:
Absolutely right. You take the opportunity to sign a top talent when they become available. You may not get another chance to do so. You can sign players for other positions when the opportunity rises.
Jesus, do you receive notifications the moment I type "Pogba"?We should compare Lukaku and Hazard to see who has better numbers, comparing SS/AM numbers with CM
Bruno's sample size is small and should be ignored as it's Portuguese league but somehow Havertz and others' bundesliga numbers should be considered.
No, I get notification for shit posts, without surprise it's mostly your posts. Ironic you talk about all the horizon when you admitted that you barely watch players but continue to shit post.
Whatever man. Go back to your echo chamber. The world is nasty and mean outside of it. There are people out there with the audacity to claim that United isn't the center of the universe and the best thing since sliced bread, imagine that.No, I get notification for shit posts, without surprise it's mostly your posts. Ironic you talk about all the horizon when you admitted that you barely watch players but continue to shit post.
Now Bruno at 20 vs Havertz at 20
Edit: Lukaku also played as winger well I dont expect you to know it as you know feck all.
Also amazing how selective stats are, only select stats where Havertz was good at and completely ignore the other stats, wow what a surprise from resident "Ronaldo vs Messi" thread poster.
Yeah and world is nasty enough to call out your bs, but not that you learn anything from it, it's just that you come up with more bs.
If he scores all fine, if he doesn't maybe we will see more nonsense about how he was playing as CMLooking forward to seeing how the generational talent destroys Rangers tonight.
I'm expecting at least 2 goals and an assist the way he's been talked up in this thread.
Really? Are you sure? We are united we do what we want! This is news to me I must say.
In all honesty, I don't think that you're able to tell apart what's bullshit and what's not anymore. Not that you don't possess the general intellectual capacities, you're simply over identifying with your club. Cognitive dissonance is a nice thing, isn't it?
Your posts are so ironic and it's not even surprising. It's not even surprising selective stats, moving goal posts from you.I didn't include Chelsea's new boys in that.
Bruno stats don't matter as it's Portuguese league but it's ok to compare stats of SS/AM/attacking player playing in Bundesliga with CM playing in PL, whats even worse is only attacking stats are compared.
Everything that's not painfully tinted in favour of United or it's players equals 'moving goal posts' for you. Especially if the one you're arguing with is not a United fan. Has to be incredibly boring but to each their own I guess.
Fair enough. The systems they excelled in are very different, too. Guess next season we'll know more.
One more clueless post as usual.
Bridge too far this, mate - given Havertz's flexibility, comparisons to other players are difficult since he's played 4 different positions this year & mostly well in advance of Pogba's position.
Why the feck are you on a Utd forum mate?
You're comparing the Bundes with the Premier League mate. Now that's Apple and Oranges, aswell as a positional element in Pogba playing deeper. Infact it shows Pogba upper tier class above Havertz that he still gets these numbers playing deep AND in the prem. Im not saying Havertz won't get these numbers in the Prem if he moves, but he won't if he soley plays the Pogba role.
Havertz played primarily as an 8 in the season he scored 17 goals. Our midfield of choice was
I like a United, if you get Sancho and Greenwood develops as expected you'll be one of my favourite teams in the world in the future. And also this is the best football forum in the world. I just don't like people who are not able to think and argue at least somewhat objectively when it comes to their club. But every club has these guys, especially large ones.
If I might give an earnest answer, at times I think it can be a bit of a form of condescension where oppos want to put things in relation to United because there's an assumption that you lot can't comprehend anything outside of Old Trafford - obviously that's not the case and it probably stems from a bit of insecurity / being outnumbered online (although it's silly to expect otherwise given this is a United forum).
Well first of all, that wasn't 19/20. Second, Pogba hasn't really had the opportunity to play as an 8 since his time at Juve and he certainly didn't in 18/19.
It might be also because some clueless people who think they know it all because they read some stats, they even said they didn't watch player but then try to come up with some expert analysis. Also just because they post on ManUtd forum they think they watch too much football
I feel personally attacked by this responseIt might be also because some clueless people who think they know it all because they read some stats, they even said they didn't watch player but then try to come up with some expert analysis. Also just because they post on ManUtd forum they think they watch too much football
Best part is they think their posts are objective when it's full of holes and inconsistent logic
Na, not for you. You are one of most balanced posters here. At least in the interactions I had with you and the posts I readI feel personally attacked by this response
Ta, much appreciated mate!Na, not for you. You are one of most balanced posters here. At least in the interactions I had with you and the posts I read
Let's quickly remember the point I was arguing: That Pogba and Bruno would not 'walk' into a team with Havertz in. I wasn't even saying he is better than them. I had similar discussions on non-United players that went calm and reflected, it only ever derails when a United player is involved. I don't want to say that certain people attack you if you dare criticizing a United player because that's not true, 'criticize' is already way too harsh for what's enough to get attacked in sometimes.
I've watched ~70-80% percent of Havertz' games. He's played preferably as an 8 throughout his whole career. His more offensive role this season primarily comes from a shortage of players with end product and a simultaneous abundance of midfielders. Not saying that you're wrong with your apples/oranges argument - I understand when you see it that way - but Havertz usually plays way deeper than people in here think.
I agree. Go for Jesse Lingard instead, 2 goals in 2 games. Boys a game changer.
I think that the extent to which you've been branded as unreasonable is unfair and apologies if I contributed to that. That said, given the potential challenges in transitioning to a new league versus the fact that Pogba and Bruno are settled means that I'd take either over Havertz in a one-off in the PL. If the question is who is likely to provide the most value over the next 5 years, then I'd take Havertz by a nose over Bruno. If it's next 10, then Havertz wins by a mile.
I agree with this - Havertz has been at his best when he has license to roam - dropping deep, pushing in behind when there's an opportunity, popping up on the opposite flank, etc. I actually prefer him as an 8 in Chelsea's prospective system next year, especially if he can push up into a quasi-9 position in possession with Pulisic pushing the left flank and Werner and Ziyech moving deeper & occupying central areas, while being stationed deeper in midfield in defense. There is definitely a misguided notion on here that he's a right winger - absolutely not the case.
Absolutely racing along this transfer isn’t it
