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I don't doubt they're crooked to the bone but the GOP will spin that in a way that makes it look as if the dems were going after their 2nd amendment rights? Even if they don't know what the 2nd amendment is about....
Possibly, but I don't really see how this moves the needle. I have never seen a NRA/(Obama/Hillary/Bernie/Biden) bumper sticker combo. Like ever. The NRA nutjubs will either be voting R regardless or will see that this investigation is most likely legit.
 

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Possibly, but I don't really see how this moves the needle. I have never seen a NRA/(Obama/Hillary/Bernie/Biden) bumper sticker combo. Like ever. The NRA nutjubs will either be voting R regardless or will see that this investigation is most likely legit.
Yeah, the voters who would care that much about this are already baked in to the numbers.
 

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The reaction to this from the GOP just shows they will turn a blind eye to anything.
 

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I fear it might motivate some voters who would otherwise have been indifferent towards Trump, but damn well love firing some guns.
 

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I fear it might motivate some voters who would otherwise have been indifferent towards Trump, but damn well love firing some guns.
Maybe? I think he already has them riled up / afraid with his race baiting and fearmongering bs anyways.
 

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I fear it might motivate some voters who would otherwise have been indifferent towards Trump, but damn well love firing some guns.
Nah, American gunnys never vote Democrat. At worst, it might motivate a few who wouldn't have voted to do so, but they'll all be in red states anyway,
 

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Why should justice wait until after an election?
I agree with that of course, but gotta say given this investigation is unlikely to really even get court hearing dates til next year, they could have weighed up the politics of it - as the NRA is ultimately a purely political vehicle at this stage.

I'm sure they did though, and as others have posted, felt it didn't matter .
 

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I agree with that of course, but gotta say given this investigation is unlikely to really even get court hearing dates til next year, they could have weighed up the politics of it - as the NRA is ultimately a purely political vehicle at this stage.

I'm sure they did though, and as others have posted, felt it didn't matter .
NPR used to have a podcast called More Perfect that was done by the radiolab folks. They did an episode called "The Gun Show" that covered the (only recent) fascination with the second amendment as well as the hostile takeover of the NRA. It was a few years ago, but I remember being fascinated by it. My memory highly recommends it.
 

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Deutsche Bank Gives Up Trump Records Under Subpoena, NYT Reports

Deutsche Bank AG handed over detailed records related to dealings with U.S. President Donald Trump’s family business after receiving a subpoena from prosecutors last year, the New York Times reported.

The subpoena demanded documents that Trump and the Trump Organization had provided to the lender, the newspaper reported, citing four people familiar with the matter. The German firm complied, turning over records including financial statements and other materials it had received as Trump sought loans, the paper said.

It’s part of an investigation by New York prosecutors into the president’s business affairs, the paper said. The lender has worked with Trump for two decades, providing him and his company with more than $2 billion in loans, the Times reported.

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. suggested in a court filing earlier this week that his office may be investigating potential bank and insurance fraud by the Trump Organization. He asked a federal judge on Monday to throw out the president’s latest effort to block a subpoena for documents from his accounting firm, Mazars USA LLP.

Spokespeople for Deutsche Bank and Vance’s office declined to comment on the reported subpoena when contacted by Bloomberg. A representative for the Trump Organization didn’t respond to a message seeking comment.
 

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Trump as decided to have an impromptu press conference at his golf club

 

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The state of these election campaigns never ceases to baffle me. American politics are essentially two 9 year olds having a shouting match at a school playground. Substamce is completely irrelevant, it's just claiming the ither one is a cnut and is out to eat your children.
 

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The state of these election campaigns never ceases to baffle me. American politics are essentially two 9 year olds having a shouting match at a school playground. Substamce is completely irrelevant, it's just claiming the ither one is a cnut and is out to eat your children.
My American friends were bewildered when I told them how NZ and the UK holds elections. The laws on electioneering. Confined to certain time’s of the year, funding, etc.

Americans are ALWAYS in election mode. It never stops.
 

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My American friends were bewildered when I told them how NZ and the UK holds elections. The laws on electioneering. Confined to certain time’s of the year, funding, etc.

Americans are ALWAYS in election mode. It never stops.
I think a key difference is also in the fact that we have a parliamentary democracy. You can't hurl abuse at potential governmental partners. The emergance of some new wave rightwing parties have somewhat shaken this and we are seeing some of the same toxic rethoric now, but these parties will never actually enter a coalition, since they're mostly interested in yelling from the side lines.
 

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The two primary parties in the US is basically a collection of a handful of parties combined into two.

Would more things be accomplished if DNC and GOP were forced to split along whatever lines in a perfect world/full transparent ideology scenario?
 

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Posted in the Gun Control thread but also find it's worthy in here due to Trump Admin eliminating Obama policies.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/...s-gun-smuggling-ring?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Arming the Cartels: The Inside Story of a Texas Gun-Smuggling Ring
Selling weapons south of the border is big business — and America’s loose gun laws are also devastating for Mexico

-- Even if passed by the Senate, the bills would likely be vetoed by President Trump, who took $30 million from the NRA in 2016. Among the many favors Trump has done for the gun industry, he has refused to appoint a director to the ATF, leaving the agency under acting deputy directorship, a status it often languishes in under Republican presidents.--
--A few months after Trump took office, the Justice Department ended an Obama-era initiative called Operation Choke Point, an anti-money-laundering program that discouraged banks from taking large deposits in cash from payday lenders, escort services, coin dealers, and other shady businesses. That gun dealers were added to the list was a bugbear for the gun lobby and right-wing press, which celebrated the program’s 2017 demise — but not before it tripped up Fox, and ultimately led to his arrest.--
 

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I think a key difference is also in the fact that we have a parliamentary democracy. You can't hurl abuse at potential governmental partners. The emergance of some new wave rightwing parties have somewhat shaken this and we are seeing some of the same toxic rethoric now, but these parties will never actually enter a coalition, since they're mostly interested in yelling from the side lines.
That doesn't apply to the UK or Australia though, which also usually have single-party majority governments. Same here in Canada, and the rhetoric is similarly combative at any and all opportunity. Not batshit crazy like in the US, but there's just no attempt at compromise or consensus. Even now there's a single-party minority government it has barely changed. Same in the UK from what I can tell.

I have long thought electoral reform would have enormous positive effects here in Canada. Well beyond simply giving more people a voice, it would also completely change the political dynamic. As you say, if you need a coalition to rule, you can't only ever insult the competition.
 

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That doesn't apply to the UK or Australia though, which also usually have single-party majority governments. Same here in Canada, and the rhetoric is similarly combative at any and all opportunity. Not batshit crazy like in the US, but there's just no attempt at compromise or consensus. Even now there's a single-party minority government it has barely changed. Same in the UK from what I can tell.

I have long thought electoral reform would have enormous positive effects here in Canada. Well beyond simply giving more people a voice, it would also completely change the political dynamic. As you say, if you need a coalition to rule, you can't only ever insult the competition.
Ah, England usually has 1 party running the show? I thought they usually needed a coalition like The Netherlands and Germany.

The rhetoric in The Netherlands is changing slightly into the combatitive as well with figures like Thierry Baudet and his army of anonymous twitter bots.
 

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Ah, England usually has 1 party running the show? I thought they usually needed a coalition like The Netherlands and Germany.

The rhetoric in The Netherlands is changing slightly into the combatitive as well with figures like Thierry Baudet and his army of anonymous twitter bots.
It's always either Tories or Labour. The only coalition since WW2's war cabinet has been Tories + LibDems from 2010-2015. That wasn't really a productive coalition like in the Netherlands either though; much more combative (iirc).

Some of the rhetoric is changing in NL, but it's only from the populists and I think that's also part of the reason why nobody wants to work the FVD and PVV on the national level. I think that's the system doing its work.
 

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This latest bit of "strategy" is disgusting. Stall/refuse to negotiate with House Dems on a stimulus package, all while Senate Republicans can't agree on anything. Then sign executive orders that are outrageously unconstitutional and are bad for the country even if they weren't. All so that the giant cheeto can say "look, I tried to help you and the mean democrats blocked it and want you to starve" when the Democrats correctly sue to block them. Every member of congress, regardless of part, should be outraged by this. If he gets away with it congress may as well dissolve itself and go home.
 

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This latest bit of "strategy" is disgusting. Stall/refuse to negotiate with House Dems on a stimulus package, all while Senate Republicans can't agree on anything. Then sign executive orders that are outrageously unconstitutional and are bad for the country even if they weren't. All so that the giant cheeto can say "look, I tried to help you and the mean democrats blocked it and want you to starve" when the Democrats correctly sue to block them. Every member of congress, regardless of part, should be outraged by this. If he gets away with it congress may as well dissolve itself and go home.
It only shows how bullshitty the GOP/Federalist are. All about the Constitution as long as it gives them a platform to blabber.
 
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