That's the UK market price (June 2020) for imported ammonium nitrate (c£185 per tonne).Am not going full on conspiracy yet but something very odd going on.
That's the UK market price (June 2020) for imported ammonium nitrate (c£185 per tonne).Am not going full on conspiracy yet but something very odd going on.
Like?Am not going full on conspiracy yet but something very odd going on.
allowing £500k of fertilezer to be abandoned for 7 years. It's very odd, both from the owner as well as the authorities. something feels off.Like?
Like incompetence?allowing £500k of fertilezer to be abandoned for 7 years. It's very odd, both from the owner as well as the authorities. something feels off.
Same aliens who did those pyramids?Am not going full on conspiracy yet but something very odd going on.
I guess we’ll find out, or maybe we won’t.Like incompetence?
The politics and administration of the country are extremely dysfunctional. This is a decent read on how this manifests in the butchering of basic services -https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.nyt...ddleeast/lebanon-protests-corruption.amp.htmlallowing £500k of fertilezer to be abandoned for 7 years. It's very odd, both from the owner as well as the authorities. something feels off.
That makes sense. Thanks for the detailed response. I am also guessing seven years isn’t too long when it comes to abandoned or arrested ships?Nothing too meaningful I can add to be honest.
An "arrested" ship isn't an uncommon thing. It usually means bills or fines were not paid (finance, bunkers etc.), the people owed money went to court and got an arrest warrant for the ship, which was then forbidden from sailing unless debts were paid. The ship's 34-35 years old according to my db, so it's past the end of its life. Usually those get sold for scrap, but often a shady owner might take it on and operate it (usually in nefarious practices) till an event like an arrest. Then the owning company either quickly dissolves in a bankruptcy file or fully disappears into the shadows, leaving the port operators with a ghost ship on their hands.
This kind of stuff is quite common for ships operating illegal routes or moving contraband material. Not everyone can afford the risk of having a spanking new £100m ship getting arrested for trafficking drugs/weapons/humans and having to come forward to claim it. So usually it's done through these old beat-up vessels who's ownership lies in layers of obscure companies so when you try to untangle the yarn you get nowhere.
The ship was operated by a tiny company out of Burgas, Bulgaria who obviously couldn't be contacted the second the ship got arrested. If that gives you any clue. Could be the fertiliser was contraband or was intended for hezbollah bomb-making? Your guess is as good as mine.
Wouldn't we hear a missile? And there's been plenty of videos circulating that don't show any missile.Nothing is tinfoil hat in Lebanon. I would guess that's one of the more likely causes. The initial fire was a target for the strike supposedly
I have seen a video of something in the air moving towards the fire just before the blast, god knows how genuine it is these days thoughWouldn't we hear a missile? And there's been plenty of videos circulating that don't show any missile.
There are people* that to this day will tell you the planes hitting the WTC are holograms/remote controlled missiles disguised as planes. Nothing surprises me when it comes to CT nutters. A person sees what he/she wants to see, or can convince oneself to see.Wouldn't we hear a missile? And there's been plenty of videos circulating that don't show any missile.
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With a shatterproof ruler.How are explosions measured?
Agree 100%. Conspiracy theorists love this kind of stuff.There are people* that to this day will tell you the planes hitting the WTC are holograms/remote controlled missiles disguised as planes. Nothing surprises me when it comes to CT nutters. A person sees what he/she wants to see, or can convince oneself to see.
* imbeciles is more apt
The hassle of paperwork to move them back, probably fines, and years of overstaying demurage (that's factory rent, with compounded interest on top of it), ownership dispute, ex company going bankrupt, lack of buyer, etc.Anyone have any idea how much $$$ -all that ammonium fertiliser was worth?
Why would the owner leave all that abandoned?
Let me know if you're able to find the video. Missile strike seems unlikely to me but I'll watch for the sake of perspective. If I had to make a case for a conspiracy, it would be about the start of the fire, though I haven't read any updates as to what may have caused it so this could already be debunked before I even search for it.I have seen a video of something in the air moving towards the fire just before the blast, god knows how genuine it is these days though
"Never assume conspiracy when stupidity will do" -some hacker speaker at DefCon
I'm late to the party but it's not actually odd. The shipment had little worth and the vessel had technical problems and was blocked by Lebanese authorities, some unscrupulous shipowners will definitely abandon worthless ships and their shipment because it would cost a fortune to remork or repare the ship, they could send an other ship but if they only have one vessel, they won't. On the side of authorities they generally have two options destroy or sell the shipment, the option depends on whether the shipment was legal and its state. One thing is sure is that you are not supposed to keep it in high activity warehouses, the likely reason for that was probably laziness from custom officers.Am not going full on conspiracy yet but something very odd going on.
Holy shit.I just saw this tweet regarding the scale of the damage:
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He then mapped this onto London:
It’s a WhatsApp vid so can’t post it sorry. Could probably post a few screenshots but doubt that would go down well hereLet me know if you're able to find the video. Missile strike seems unlikely to me but I'll watch for the sake of perspective. If I had to make a case for a conspiracy, it would be about the start of the fire, though I haven't read any updates as to what may have caused it so this could already be debunked before I even search for it.
And for the record, I'm not claiming any foul play — just thinking out loud.
Yep, I did think the circle seemed way too large on London (and New York, but that is less obvious to me).
Give over. Who has been saying it’s a missile strike?Oh come on guys... a missile strike?
With all the high tech satellite these days? Cctv all over and somehow a fat nerd on the internet managed to capture the missile in whtasapp video?
I mean come on man, a missile strike would alert everyone in the region, even if they missed it early on there will be plenty of evidence of a real missile strike.
Cheers for that - that makes more sense!
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I can totally buy it in a sufficiently corrupt, damaged and incompetent administration.Anyone else not quite buying the "it was confiscated and left there line" ? I mean if you have 2700t of bomb building material in a poorer country troubled by violence, surely someone is going to find a use for it?
But if it's such a corrupt, damaged and incompetent administration, how do they keep loyal people to watch over it? I don't believe in any sophisticated conspirancy, but I also think it's unlikely it's been completely untouched for 7 years.I can totally buy it in a sufficiently corrupt, damaged and incompetent administration.
"Sliding towards a failed state" ?On the 3rd August, Lebanon's foreign minister Nassif Hitti resigned
"I participated in this government on the basis that I have one employer named Lebanon, and I found in my country many employers and conflicting interests," Hitti said in his resignation letter to Prime Minister Hassan Diab, made public on Monday.
"If they don't come together around the interests of the Lebanese people and save them, then the ship, God forbid, will sink with everyone on board."
In his resignation letter, Hitti chided the "absence of a vision for Lebanon as I believe in it as a free, independent and capable nation" and the absence of a "real will to achieve structural reforms ... which our national society asks for and the international community are calling on us to do".
"Lebanon today is sliding towards becoming a failed state," he wrote.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...-quits-pm-lack-reformist-200803081938960.html
Other nations should just do it anyway. Would the Lebanese government really start a scuffle over it?Macron and other countries stated that help will come directly from their embassies to the families that were hurt, bypassing our politicians.
The cnuts proceeded to refuse other countries' help cause they want to steal/benefit from the money.... same as they did to the aid received from Qatar.
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Lebanon's president has revealed he knew about the huge stockpile of explosives at Beirut's port almost three weeks before they blew up.
President Michel Aoun was told about the 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate on 20 July - and he claimed he subsequently ordered officials to "do what is needed".
The stockpile had been there since 2013 after being confiscated from an impounded cargo ship, but Mr Aoun said he "had no authority to deal directly with the port" and didn't know "where it was placed".