What do you see happening with Gareth Bale?

africanspur · Aug 8, 2020

Mb194dc said:
Chances of Zidane resigning or being pushed out and Bale staging a lazarus style come back next season ? RM only won La Liga thanks to getting a dodgy pen every game since the restart.

Don't think they can afford to have Bale (and James) rotting in the reserves. Plus Hazard who was Zidane choice been terrible. Poch in maybe with plan to get Bale back to his best?

As much as I love Poch, Real would be a terrible fit for him and I've always thought so. He hates 'egos', which for him is anyone who won't follow everything he says. This works at a club like Spurs, punching above its weight and especially as the young squad grew with him but I can only imagine how Ramos, Benzema etc would react to him.

Poch wouldn't do a better job than Zidane is doing.

As for Bale, its both a little funny and a little sad to see. Real have no leg to stand on imo with the way they generally treat players (and have treated him) and it is funny to see a player not succumb to their usual tactics. Still Bale is an exceptional player and it would be better to see him on the pitch rather than messing around in the stands.

Oldyella · Aug 8, 2020

Cant believe some people are saying he would be a good signing, even if Madrid cover 50% of his wages. Have we not learned our lesson buying over the hill galacticos?

giorno · Aug 8, 2020

Mb194dc said:
Chances of Zidane resigning or being pushed out and Bale staging a lazarus style come back next season ?

Chances of Zidane resigning, no idea. Being sacked? ZERO

Strelok · Aug 8, 2020

Oldyella said:
Cant believe some people are saying he would be a good signing, even if Madrid cover 50% of his wages. Have we not learned our lesson buying over the hill galacticos?

One year loan mate. His shirt sales alone could pay for that 50 %. Not talking about commercials and the social media stuffs. People would love to talk about this. He's still a mega star especially with a story to sell.

UncleBob · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
One year loan mate. His shirt sales alone could pay for that 50 %. Not talking about commercials and the social media stuffs. People would love to talk about this. He's still a mega star especially with a story to sell.

P-Nut · Aug 8, 2020

Oh god we're back to the shirt sales stuff again.

We should put a header on every transfer thread that United make a pittance from shirt sales due to the deal with Adidas

Monkey bus · Aug 8, 2020

With thousands of people being laid off daily, I really can’t understand how there appears to be some level of sympathy for a past it footballer to sit around doing nothing for upwards of £500k per week.

Some people on here are strange.

Untd55 · Aug 8, 2020

Monkey bus said:
With thousands of people being laid off daily, I really can’t understand how there appears to be some level of sympathy for a past it footballer to sit around doing nothing for upwards of £500k per week.

Some people on here are strange.

It's not sympathy; it's the fact that money does not fix all problems. People need to get this out of their heads. You can absolutely hate being somewhere and still be very well paid; it isn't mutually exclusive.

People on here must be saints; you are saying that being treated poorly by your employer does not affect your work? Of course, it does. It helps getting paid loads of money, but it doesn't fix anger and frustration, which will impact how hard you are willing to work. Let's be realistic, all of you would put in the absolute minimum effort in such circumstances, which is what Bale is doing.

I am not surprised after being constantly booed and denigrated that you would get fed up with it and just think 'Bugger it'.

Also, as a side note, Zidane said that Bale does not want to travel. Saying you do not want to do something is not a breach of contract. It actually sounds more likely that Zidane agreed with him not to travel on the basis that he did not want to. If that is the case, there is no breach of contract.

Strelok · Aug 8, 2020

UncleBob said:

In 2019 United sold 3250000 shirts.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1118294/football-shirt-sales-by-club/#:~:text=In 2018/2019, Manchester United,world at 3,250,000 million units.

The average cost of a shirt is £90.

The first squad of United has around 25 players. So in average each sold 90*3250000/25 = £11700000.

That is 11700000/48 = £243750 per week per player. You may not know but Sanchez top the shirt sales for United and the PL in 2017-2018. Given the mega star status of Bale at least he should be able to pay his £300k a week with his own shirt sales. Even with Covid.

Try to learn something before laughing mate.

Red00012 · Aug 8, 2020

#07 said:
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Translations would be handy

Falcow · Aug 8, 2020

So long as he doesnt end up at United I dont really care. He had plenty of opportunities to join us in the past but always turned us down. Thanks to Ole, we are no longer a retirement home for has beens who are motivated only by the next pay day.

I'm rather enjoying seeing Real pay him €500k per week for nothing. Long may it continue.

UncleBob · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
In 2019 United sold 3250000 shirts.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1118294/football-shirt-sales-by-club/#:~:text=In 2018/2019, Manchester United,world at 3,250,000 million units.

The average cost of a shirt is £90.

The first squad of United has around 25 players. So in average each sold 90*3250000/25 = £11700000.

That is 11700000/48 = £243750 per week per player. You may not know but Sanchez top the shirt sales for United and the PL in 2017-2018. Given the mega star status of Bale at least he should be able to pay his £300k a week with his own shirt sales. Even with Covid.

Try to learn something before laughing mate.

Strelok · Aug 8, 2020

UncleBob said:

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If I said something wrong or stupid you're welcome to point that out. That's how normal and civilized people discuss something.

Mindhunter · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
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If I said something wrong or stupid you're welcome to point that out. That's how normal and civilized people discuss something.

United don’t get all the money from shirt sales. Adidas does. That’s why they pay us sponsorship money. We only get a small fraction of incremental sales.
We have to open our own sportswear company, build up manufacturing, sales, and distribution to do what you are suggesting.

Suddenly you are worried about cost of cotton on a Sunday, not the game.

#07 · Aug 8, 2020

Red00012 said:
Translations would be handy

El Chiringuito is claiming in the chat Bale and Zidane had Bale asked: 'am I going to play?' Zidane replied: 'you will not play WHATEVER HAPPENS.' Hence Bale asking to be left out of the squad.

Clique · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
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If I said something wrong or stupid you're welcome to point that out. That's how normal and civilized people discuss something.

Mindhunter said:
United don’t get all the money from shirt sales. Adidas does. That’s why they pay us sponsorship money. We only get a small fraction of incremental sales.
We have to open our own sportswear company, build up manufacturing, sales, and distribution to do what you are suggesting.

Suddenly you are worried about cost of cotton on a Sunday, not the game.

Mindhunter pretty much explains it. But if you'd like to read more about it, the following articles give a better idea about Shirt sales and its impact to club finances

Not sure why UnitedBob decided to just use smileys. Its a very common misconception with football supporters. You were just misinformed mate, nothing wrong with that.

Strelok · Aug 8, 2020

Mindhunter said:
United don’t get all the money from shirt sales. Adidas does. That’s why they pay us sponsorship money. We only get a small fraction of incremental sales.
We have to open our own sportswear company, build up manufacturing, sales, and distribution to do what you are suggesting.

Suddenly you are worried about cost of cotton on a Sunday, not the game.

Clique said:
Mindhunter pretty much explains it. But if you'd like to read more about it, the following articles give a better idea about Shirt sales and its impact to club finances

Independent article

Reddit thread

Guardian article

Not sure why UnitedBob decided to just use smileys. Its a very common misconception with football supporters. You were just misinformed mate, nothing wrong with that.

Oh ok I see now my bad, thanks mates.

Still I think signing a mega star like Bale would considerably boost our sales, commercials and social media. Which in turn provides a good money and should probably be enough to cover his £300k I think.

Monkey bus · Aug 8, 2020

Untd55 said:
It's not sympathy; it's the fact that money does not fix all problems. People need to get this out of their heads. You can absolutely hate being somewhere and still be very well paid; it isn't mutually exclusive.

People on here must be saints; you are saying that being treated poorly by your employer does not affect your work? Of course, it does. It helps getting paid loads of money, but it doesn't fix anger and frustration, which will impact how hard you are willing to work. Let's be realistic, all of you would put in the absolute minimum effort in such circumstances, which is what Bale is doing.

I am not surprised after being constantly booed and denigrated that you would get fed up with it and just think 'Bugger it'.

Also, as a side note, Zidane said that Bale does not want to travel. Saying you do not want to do something is not a breach of contract. It actually sounds more likely that Zidane agreed with him not to travel on the basis that he did not want to. If that is the case, there is no breach of contract.

I disagree. I’d go and get another job. If it meant earning a bit less to not be frustrated and angry I’d take that.

Max_United · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
In 2019 United sold 3250000 shirts.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1118294/football-shirt-sales-by-club/#:~:text=In 2018/2019, Manchester United,world at 3,250,000 million units.

The average cost of a shirt is £90.

The first squad of United has around 25 players. So in average each sold 90*3250000/25 = £11700000.

That is 11700000/48 = £243750 per week per player. You may not know but Sanchez top the shirt sales for United and the PL in 2017-2018. Given the mega star status of Bale at least he should be able to pay his £300k a week with his own shirt sales. Even with Covid.

Try to learn something before laughing mate.

Football clubs get something like only 7.5-10% of the revenue from shirt sales, the most lucrative (rare) deals - 15-20%. The majority of revenue accrues to kit manufacturer. How "transfer fees/wages pay for themselves via shirt sales" myth lives on is beyond my comprehension.

AttackAttackAttack · Aug 8, 2020

Bale is an absolute legend. Madrid are reaping what they sowed. He is going to continue to sit on that bench till his contract runs out and then retire or move to MLS. I’m leaning towards retirement since he doesn’t seem to love football anymore. Madrid should have moved him on when they had the chance, they blocked his move and now they have a huge wage sitting on the bench because Zidane hates him. Have fun with the rebuild.

Zen · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
The average cost of a shirt is £90.

or not.

https://store.manutd.com/en/manchester-united-football-kits/t-36198991+d-2349102737+z-96-3385046520

You can easily get cheaper than Utd's official store too. So the average is well below your odd £90.

The Cat · Aug 8, 2020

Monkey bus said:
I disagree. I’d go and get another job. If it meant earning a bit less to not be frustrated and angry I’d take that.

Think you are wrong there. About all of it.

The Cat · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
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If I said something wrong or stupid you're welcome to point that out. That's how normal and civilized people discuss something.

He classes people who disagree as farmers intimating Welsh people are thick. Awful poster.

Monkey bus · Aug 8, 2020

The Cat said:
Think you are wrong there. About all of it.

Ok.
Where are you coming from on this?
Would you sit and waste the last few years of your career to prove a point?
Or would you take a pay cut and go elsewhere in Europe to prove your point by showing Real what they’re missing?
Personally seems a no brainier to me but understand people will have different opinions.

Revan · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
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If I said something wrong or stupid you're welcome to point that out. That's how normal and civilized people discuss something.

That money goes to Adidas, not to United. I believe United gets something like less than 1% of it (though of course, we also get 75m from adidas to have their logo in our shirt).

People laugh when they see it because it has been repeated a few thousand times here. Tbf, it is all Perez’s fault who started this madness by we paid Beckham’s fee by selling shirts which in was bullshit.

lsd · Aug 8, 2020

AttackAttackAttack said:
Bale is an absolute legend. Madrid are reaping what they sowed. He is going to continue to sit on that bench till his contract runs out and then retire or move to MLS. I’m leaning towards retirement since he doesn’t seem to love football anymore. Madrid should have moved him on when they had the chance, they blocked his move and now they have a huge wage sitting on the bench because Zidane hates him. Have fun with the rebuild.

Yeah Sanchez was a legend too collecting the wages we gave him

Hawks2008 · Aug 8, 2020

Pure mercenary. No respect for the likes of Bale.

HackeyC · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
In 2019 United sold 3250000 shirts.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1118294/football-shirt-sales-by-club/#:~:text=In 2018/2019, Manchester United,world at 3,250,000 million units.

The average cost of a shirt is £90.

The first squad of United has around 25 players. So in average each sold 90*3250000/25 = £11700000.

That is 11700000/48 = £243750 per week per player. You may not know but Sanchez top the shirt sales for United and the PL in 2017-2018. Given the mega star status of Bale at least he should be able to pay his £300k a week with his own shirt sales. Even with Covid.

Try to learn something before laughing mate.

I think you've forgotten about cost of goods, distribution, retailer margin, discounting, VAT/sales tax. I'd be surprised if Adidas made more than £20 per shirt.

lsd · Aug 8, 2020

Hawks2008 said:
Pure mercenary. No respect for the likes of Bale.

Exactly I can't understand the mentality of anyone praising Bale for doing what he is doing .

If this was someone at Utd doing this the same people would be up in arms .

Bale has put money over everything and while he may be rich and doesn't care about football he will be remembered as a greedy prick who preferred to sit on his ass rather than play the game

Cloud7 · Aug 8, 2020

FootballHQ said:
What I would say is it's interesting he's getting all this attention and yet outside of North London nobody really cares about Mesut Ozil any more and him basically pulling the same trick for last few years.

In last 6 years Bale has achieved so much more than Ozil. I know he won the World cup but he plays for one of the best international teams around who bar one disaster pretty much always get to last 4 of major tournament. Playing a key part in getting Wales to SF of a major tournament is a big achievement in its own right.

Fecking hell I only just remembered Mesut Ozil exists. When was the last time he played football?

LoneStar · Aug 8, 2020

Monkey bus said:
With thousands of people being laid off daily, I really can’t understand how there appears to be some level of sympathy for a past it footballer to sit around doing nothing for upwards of £500k per week.

Some people on here are strange.

There are thousands of people starving to death because they have no food or money. Yet people continue eat more than needed and obesity is rising. Should we blame all the people then? Stop trying to compare apples and oranges

he didn’t win the lottery and get those wages. Real Madrid decided to hand a mega contract to him based on his previous performances. He’s entitled to every single bit of it.

I like how some posters say reducing wages for these footballers should not be a major concern for the players, but would probably march in protest if their salary slip had 50 dollars lesser than expected.

UncleBob · Aug 8, 2020

Strelok said:
Oh ok I see now my bad, thanks mates.

Still I think signing a mega star like Bale would considerably boost our sales, commercials and social media. Which in turn provides a good money and should probably be enough to cover his £300k I think.

And earlier today you thought that the shirt sales would pay for everything on it's own.

90 + 5min · Aug 8, 2020

Mindhunter said:
I can't be right or wrong as it is my opinion, not a statement of fact. In fact so is your response.

This situation isn't similar to normal squad rotation. We all know that yet people are willing to overlook it. Bale has been treated unfairly, insulted repeatedly in the media, has been asked to feck off, and has been painted as public enemy number one in Madrid. Why? Because RM were foolish enough to give him the contract and then block his only realistic move away from the club.

They deserve everything that's happening to them. Asking Bale to travel when he won't even make the substitute bench reeks of another underhand tactic to break him so that he gives up. He has every right to ask them to feck off - especially in the middle of a pandemic when travel should be restricted if not absolutely critical and necessary. And for the record, he hasn't refused to play at all.

Mindhunter said:
See my responses to the posts above. It's not entitled behavior - it is an expected reaction from a player who has been derided and disgraced by the club. He isn't Buddha and has every right to feel aggrieved.

He doesn't want to travel unnecessarily if Zidane isn't going to name him in the squad. That's acceptable specially during covid-19.

Can you give me any more information on that? And what you mean. Except blocked move last year. What Real Madrid have done to him?

What is he refusing to do then? If not travel with the team. No manager can guarantee players time. Or should. A player is part of a team. And when you refuse to be part of a team you are putting yourself at risk that fans, manager, players, media or whoever will be criticizing you.

Mindhunter said:
Fair enough. If Zidane wanted to name him in the squad and Bale has refused to travel despite that then it is highly unprofessional behavior. It is a case for termination.

My guess though is that Zidane had told him that he isn't guaranteed to be in the squad to which Bale reacted like that. I will wait for his side of the story before passing judgment.

Also, the barbs around golf don't make sense to me. A player is free to do what he feels like in his free time. I find it hard to criticize him after how RM and their fans have treated him in the last 2 years.

Once again. Bale isn't in a position to dictate when he will play. That is managers choice. Almost always. As a player you should always be ready to play. Or be ready to be part of a team. Traveling squad always involves more players than there will be in the team. Why would Bale be any different to any other player and get guaranteed? He is acting like 5 year old. IF the news are true.

You are correct. In theory. But what you do, when you are employee in this business, can have concequence. I don't think Real Mardid are behaving like angels. Don't get me wrong. But neither does any club. That includes our Manchester United. Would it be okey for Bale to walk with Barcelona shirt? Or Atl. Madrid? According to you and "what he feels like".

Mindhunter · Aug 8, 2020

90 + 5min said:
Can you give me any more information on that? And what you mean. Except blocked move last year. What Real Madrid have done to him?

What is he refusing to do then? If not travel with the team. No manager can guarantee players time. Or should. A player is part of a team. And when you refuse to be part of a team you are putting yourself at risk that fans, manager, players, media or whoever will be criticizing you.

Once again. Bale isn't in a position to dictate when he will play. That is managers choice. Almost always. As a player you should always be ready to play. Or be ready to be part of a team. Traveling squad always involves more players than there will be in the team. Why would Bale be any different to any other player and get guaranteed? He is acting like 5 year old. IF the news are true.

You are correct. In theory. But what you do, when you are employee in this business, can have concequence. I don't think Real Mardid are behaving like angels. Don't get me wrong. But neither does any club. That includes our Manchester United. Would it be okey for Bale to walk with Barcelona shirt? Or Atl. Madrid? According to you and "what he feels like".

Not sure if you are deliberately trying to ignore the context here. I agree that a player should be ready to travel and do what the manager demands. However, the situation with Bale is quite different and it is clear that RM don't want him at the club and hence are resorting to dirty tactics to force him to leave on their terms.

If Bale was really in breach of his contract, the club's lawyers would have already filed a case. Also it's only Zidane who claims that Bale doesn't want to play. It may not really be what he said.

To answer your question, Bale is refusing to leave Madrid and travel with the team unless Zidane guarantees that he will be in the matchday squad. If he isn't, there is no reason for Zidane to demand him presence other than making him sit on the stands without any involvement. Why does Zidane want or need that?

In the middle of covid-19, any unnecessary travel should be curtailed. Heck, even during usual circumstances, clubs rarely travel with players who won't be in the matchday squad.

Monkey bus · Aug 8, 2020

LoneStar said:
There are thousands of people starving to death because they have no food or money. Yet people continue eat more than needed and obesity is rising. Should we blame all the people then? Stop trying to compare apples and oranges

he didn’t win the lottery and get those wages. Real Madrid decided to hand a mega contract to him based on his previous performances. He’s entitled to every single bit of it.

I like how some posters say reducing wages for these footballers should not be a major concern for the players, but would probably march in protest if their salary slip had 50 dollars lesser than expected.

Totally agree with the lottery comparison.

To be honest if I’d worked hard all my life to reach the pinnacle of my industry with one of the best Companies in the World on a huge contract I’d feel I was worth every penny.
If I knew my boss, my colleagues and my customers didn’t rate me I’d be off down the road to work for one of their competitors on a lesser salary to prove them all wrong.

I still struggle to comprehend how anybody else could take the option of remaining in that Company, not working, losing all the respect of my peers but being paid handsomely for it.

90 + 5min · Aug 8, 2020

Mindhunter said:
Not sure if you are deliberately trying to ignore the context here. I agree that a player should be ready to travel and do what the manager demands. However, the situation with Bale is quite different and it is clear that RM don't want him at the club and hence are resorting to dirty tactics to force him to leave on their terms.

If Bale was really in breach of his contract, the club's lawyers would have already filed a case. Also it's only Zidane who claims that Bale doesn't want to play. It may not really be what he said.

To answer your question, Bale is refusing to leave Madrid and travel with the team unless Zidane guarantees that he will be in the matchday squad. If he isn't, there is no reason for Zidane to demand him presence other than making him sit on the stands without any involvement. Why does Zidane want or need that?

In the middle of covid-19, any unnecessary travel should be curtailed. Heck, even during usual circumstances, clubs rarely travel with players who won't be in the matchday squad.

You haven't answered me what Real Madrid have done to him, more then blocking a move last year? We agree that they want him out for various reasons.

Because Zidane is coach. Not Bale. As I say, if this situation happened in Manchester I would not be on players side. We know how football works. And so does players.

Listen, I was and still am one of those who thought best would be to stop football this year. Not only for health issues but also because of all this rule changing and changing everything around it in the middle if a season. But now when everything is decided you can't really use covid19 situation as excuse for him.

diarm · Aug 8, 2020

Revan said:
That money goes to Adidas, not to United. I believe United gets something like less than 1% of it (though of course, we also get 75m from adidas to have their logo in our shirt).

People laugh when they see it because it has been repeated a few thousand times here. Tbf, it is all Perez’s fault who started this madness by we paid Beckham’s fee by selling shirts which in was bullshit.

To be fair to those mentioning shirt sales as relevant, that money we receive from Adidas doesn't happen in a vacuum. The number of shirts sold will be an important number when this deal ends and we are negotiating another.

Revan · Aug 8, 2020

diarm said:
To be fair to those mentioning shirt sales as relevant, that money we receive from Adidas doesn't happen in a vacuum. The number of shirts sold will be an important number when this deal ends and we are negotiating another.

Of course. But buying a player won't pay himself by shirts sales. If they increase a lot, it will help us in 7 years or so when we will renew the shirt deal. As there will trophies we win and how appealing we are.

AttackAttackAttack · Aug 9, 2020

lsd said:
Yeah Sanchez was a legend too collecting the wages we gave him

At least we moved Sanchez on once the opportunity arose. Madrid didn’t want to let him leave for free and zidane won’t play him....

Mb194dc · Aug 12, 2020

Looks like he's got a pretty sweet setup over there:

(Sorry for sun link)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/12359682/gareth-bale-real-madrid-lifestyle-home-cars-golf/

Clearly things could be far worse for him :lol:

Don't see him going anywhere, surely they have to bring him back in to the team next season? No chance any clubs goes near those wages with a 10ft barge pole , can Madrid really just write off £65m in wages over 2 years and just let him rot? All they can do is get him back to form and then try to get rid if they still want to.

What do you see happening with Gareth Bale?

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