No need to apologise, mate! I may have come across the same way which wasn't my intention either. It's hard to decipher when it's just plain text.
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Agreed re: plain text. Need some sarcasm filters!No need to apologise, mate! I may have come across the same way which wasn't my intention either. It's hard to decipher when it's just plain text.
That's my thinking in regards to our midfield situation, too. I think we need both types of midfielder (considering Matic's age who I think is still our best sitting midfielder) but an injury to Bruno and/or Pogba and we're in trouble.
Chelsea have got more of them?
He has come up against some of the best in a little tournament bigger than the Champions League and did fantastically well. As for him not showing he's one of the best in the world, compare his stats to VVD and you will quickly realize just how wrong you are as Maguire's stats are very similar and in some areas, they are better. Lindeloff doesn't even compare statistically but for some reason people want to say he does. Not sure why. Because he cost less??? Have a look for yourself...
It's weird that you're trying to reevaluate certain players by watching others.
You are absolutely correct. I watch a lot of Serie A as well and I've never quite understood the love afair with Koudibali. He's good, but he's not great and is caught out of position a lot. He ends up making a lot of highlight reel tackles because he is very athletic and has the pace to sometimes make up for his positioning errors. Kind of like Bailley, but bigger. Mind you, he is better than Bailley positionally, but you get the point (I think). Maguire is a much better player. But most United supporters on TheCaf tend to think "the grass is greener elsewhere". Look at their love afair with Smalling. While he was here he was slated all the time and only a little better than Phil Jones. He's gone to Serie A for one season and all of a sudden many seem to think he's the best defender we have...
Yes, no doubts you're familiar with that well known top class centre half "Koudibali"You are absolutely correct. I watch a lot of Serie A as well and I've never quite understood the love afair with Koudibali. He's good, but he's not great and is caught out of position a lot. He ends up making a lot of highlight reel tackles because he is very athletic and has the pace to sometimes make up for his positioning errors. Kind of like Bailley, but bigger. Mind you, he is better than Bailley positionally, but you get the point (I think). Maguire is a much better player. But most United supporters on TheCaf tend to think "the grass is greener elsewhere". Look at their love afair with Smalling. While he was here he was slated all the time and only a little better than Phil Jones. He's gone to Serie A for one season and all of a sudden many seem to think he's the best defender we have...
You don't know him? He's like Bailley, but bigger.
Also from a different West African nation, Senegarf
This video just argues against your point - before MdL gets nutmegged, his CB partner gives the ball away needlessly and then compounds the error by diving in instead of dropping back.
Didn't say I knew how to spell it. But seeing as you're on spell check duty around here, you're going to be quite busy...
What point?
If anything the point that I made is even stronger from the clip. People don't notice such a mistake from De Ligt & Koulibally because their names are not Harry Maguire.
How was what he said racist???
Sorry my mistake; had a brainfart and thought you'd started the thread. My broader point is that all CBs have feckups; arguing that one is better than another on the basis of a single performance is silly.
But Koulibally has been worse than Maguire this season anyway.
Yes but Koulibaly has been vastly superior to Maguire for the past 3+ years, to the point where a comparison would be laughable. Obviously when evaluating two players the most recent performances should be more heavily weighted, but that said there's still no world in which Maguire is actually the better of the two given the broader context.
The past 3 years don't matter if player isn't performing now, there is a reason why he was labelled 130m last summer. However, Koulibally's is touted as 80m this summer that's what all matter now, a 29 years old centre back who performed worse than Maguire is labelled as 80m.
So when evaluating players as a neutral, you'd discount the experience of a player (call him player A) who for the 3 years prior was involved with title races in Serie A, consistent CL appearances, and was universally lauded as a top player at his position versus a player B who in the 3 years prior was poor enough to be loaned out from one championship club to another championship club during a promotion push, got relegated with the parent club upon being promoted, then played for a 9th place side. Given all of that context, having seen one season subsequently where the latter player did better whilst playing in a settled system under one manager, you'd be comfortable saying that player B is better?
You couldn't think of the right word so you decided on "racist"? WTF???
What absolute tosh. So you are judging our defenders against awful performances from the players you mentioned? i have never seen Varane play so badly in my life. And waht exactly is an elite hipster centre back anyway? You mention the rumoured price of Koulibaly and that is pretty much the exact price we paid for Maguire so is he an elite hipster centre back?
