Things you really hate about the football/modern game

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People who go to matches and film themselves watching the game so others can see their reactions. DT, Troopz and others like that.
Like, can't you do something with your life without posting it on twitter or youtube?
 

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The lack of a 2nd referee inside the lines. Many other sports, aside from rugby or Aussie rules have, more than one primary referee (NBA, MLB, NHL) especially when you consider how big a football pitch is and how many people there are.
 

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The endgame of football has been reached where systems and tactics rule, it may not have been as organised but I liked it when I felt it was about a mistake or a bit of magic and there was greater disparity in quality between players/ players were more wild cardish than they are now.
 

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I hate that the referee's are old and overweight.

They should be strictly kept at a certain age range and certain weight.
 

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People obsessing over transfers. Yes I want us to sign new players but all the ITK fairytale stuff and flight tracking is a bit weird.

Used to be quite fun when I was younger reading the paper gossip and tele text but now the internet is more prominent and social media is around I just loathe it now.
 

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Every fan thinks they are a master tactician these days. The Football Manager generation.

Someone suggested to me that we should try Pogba & Bruno as “left & right mezzalas” I looked at him in disgust & went back to my pint.
 

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Excessive supply of football tv/radio shows whose quality is generally disappointing and comments are repetitive
 

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The only thing I truly dislike is players being made into social icons due to fame/social media. In the case of Rashford, there's a genuine point to it but in 99% of cases I'd say footballers aren't worth listening to about anything. And that goes for various former pundits too (e.g. GNevz).
 

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Every fan thinks they are a master tactician these days. The Football Manager generation.

Someone suggested to me that we should try Pogba & Bruno as “left & right mezzalas” I looked at him in disgust & went back to my pint.
For sure, master tacticians using the Italian descriptions like it’s common knowledge. Even «double pivot» annoys the hell out of me.

I also hate that players aren’t retrospectively punished much harder and more often. It’s the only way to fix things. If a player is in a rough situation, is struck on the shoulder but then holds his face in agony to suggest a hit, it’s a three match suspension. If you’re not hit in the face, then your face doesn’t hurt - don’t hold your face.
 

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I hate that the referee's are old and overweight.

They should be strictly kept at a certain age range and certain weight.
There's a question to be asked there about whether younger referees are put off because of the abuse that they receive at grassroots level, therefore not getting the experience needed to work their way up the leagues. I would certainly hate to be a referee and can't imagine too many people of a similar age to me being up for it.
 

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I dislike that the old colonial powers have spent the last 20 years silently hijacking the European cup and more or less destroyed any hopes of teams in small/middle-sized nations to ever meet one of the giants, let alone ever compete in the Champions League again.
 

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That constant over-analysis of every minutiae of football. Obsession with xG, xA and all the other micro-analysis. It's just a way for people to feign intelligence through relatively meaningless stats. A player can play well without having an xG of 0.628493010284749201747492919373. Using terms like false inverted trequartista to describe certain players, when it's likely even the players themselves don't know what they are besides striker, midfielder and defender :lol:

Social media is another one: from players to parasites like AFTV that thrive on recording over-exaggerated reactions to games that likely will have very limited impact on their day-to-day life. Some of these fans have now become celebrities within their own right and have used that platform to further their own merchandising careers etc. Fair play to them - but it just goes to show you can make a career out of literally anything thesedays. The same applies to journalists, ITKs and 'edgy' refs.
 

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Mate I don’t even know what a mezzala is! :lol:

I think I’ve seen one pundit describe De Bruyne as one, and that’s about it.
In short, it's basically an attacking midfielder who also tracks back and does the defensive work. In terms of tactical implementation, it's way more nuanced and requires the midfield players to have a strong understanding with each other. If you want another good example alongside City's 2 more attacking midfielders, think of Paul Pogba at Juventus.
 

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There's a question to be asked there about whether younger referees are put off because of the abuse that they receive at grassroots level, therefore not getting the experience needed to work their way up the leagues. I would certainly hate to be a referee and can't imagine too many people of a similar age to me being up for it.
I get that too but old referees were not old forever were they? They were young once and worked themselves up unless the PL ones were old from the start of their career?

To be honest- I'm not talking about the style of refereeing either; I think the type of mid aged and physically fit referees I see in foreign football is something significantly different to what we see in the PL.
 

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There's an element of all the moaning about VAR that winds me up a bit, and it's specific to offside.

It's the people who complain when someone is 'only just' offside that it shouldn't be counted. (It's ruining the game!)

But they never seem to recognise that there has to be a limit somewhere. If it isn't just the very straightforward being ahead of the defender, what do they want it to be? 2 cm ahead? But then what if they're exactly 2cm ahead? Haven't you got exactly the same issue? Maybe it should be 5cm. 10cm. A metre!

The idea that we've got this one element which could be considered perfectly objective and we should change it and make this one subjective and impossible to definitively judge too is silly.
 

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In short, it's basically an attacking midfielder who also tracks back and does the defensive work. In terms of tactical implementation, it's way more nuanced and requires the midfield players to have a strong understanding with each other. If you want another good example alongside City's 2 more attacking midfielders, think of Paul Pogba at Juventus.
Ah ok. To be fair it sounds like the kind of role that would suit Bruno, so maybe his suggestion wasn’t too daft after all :lol:
 

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Added crowd noise, diving.

not playing to the whistle and stopping play to call for handball, foul, offsides, etc instead of letting the ref do his job
 

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Every fan thinks they are a master tactician these days. The Football Manager generation.

Someone suggested to me that we should try Pogba & Bruno as “left & right mezzalas” I looked at him in disgust & went back to my pint.
Every fan is a master scout as well after a quick browse of Youtube and FM's database. There can be massive debates about minutiae of the qualities of a certain player where not one single person in the conversation has actually ever seen them in a full match.
 

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In short, it's basically an attacking midfielder who also tracks back and does the defensive work. In terms of tactical implementation, it's way more nuanced and requires the midfield players to have a strong understanding with each other. If you want another good example alongside City's 2 more attacking midfielders, think of Paul Pogba at Juventus.
That's weird. Doesn't sound like a mezzala. That sounds like a box-to-box midfielder. Your examples are correct but only KDB at City and definitely the Pogba Juventus version.

Mate I don’t even know what a mezzala is! :lol:

I think I’ve seen one pundit describe De Bruyne as one, and that’s about it.
Mezzala = CM that tend to drifts to the wing.

Simple. Hybrid of CM and Winger.
 

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Excessive stats, and the inference that you would be just as well off reading a fecking transcript of a football match than watching it.

And the obsession with ‘pace’.
 

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Mezzala = CM that tend to drifts to the wing.
That's the more literal translation (and a more accurate description of the role), but the term gets used for any AM that has more of a defensive responsibility. I've seen players like Milinkovic-Savic described as such despite not drifting wide as often as expected.

An actual mezzala would be someone like Milner at Liverpool whenever he plays in the midfield. He spends quite a bit of time out wide even though he isn't necessarily spending as much time in the final third.
 

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There's an element of all the moaning about VAR that winds me up a bit, and it's specific to offside.

It's the people who complain when someone is 'only just' offside that it shouldn't be counted. (It's ruining the game!)

But they never seem to recognise that there has to be a limit somewhere. If it isn't just the very straightforward being ahead of the defender, what do they want it to be? 2 cm ahead? But then what if they're exactly 2cm ahead? Haven't you got exactly the same issue? Maybe it should be 5cm. 10cm. A metre!

The idea that we've got this one element which could be considered perfectly objective and we should change it and make this one subjective and impossible to definitively judge too is silly.
Clear daylight between them? Give the attacker the advantage.
 

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There's an element of all the moaning about VAR that winds me up a bit, and it's specific to offside.

It's the people who complain when someone is 'only just' offside that it shouldn't be counted. (It's ruining the game!)

But they never seem to recognise that there has to be a limit somewhere. If it isn't just the very straightforward being ahead of the defender, what do they want it to be? 2 cm ahead? But then what if they're exactly 2cm ahead? Haven't you got exactly the same issue? Maybe it should be 5cm. 10cm. A metre!

The idea that we've got this one element which could be considered perfectly objective and we should change it and make this one subjective and impossible to definitively judge too is silly.
I agree with every single word you've written.
 

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I get that too but old referees were not old forever were they? They were young once and worked themselves up unless the PL ones were old from the start of their career?

To be honest- I'm not talking about the style of refereeing either; I think the type of mid aged and physically fit referees I see in foreign football is something significantly different to what we see in the PL.
True, but it does feel like a lot of these current Premier League refs have hung around for a while. Maybe it won't be long before we see newer, younger and fitter refs at the top levels soon in the UK.

I do know what you mean exactly, though. The refs on the continent do seem to have a completely different build and shape to the ones that we have. I help out with a football tournament that my school runs (it's fairly big, about 18+ other schools bring their teams to compete) and we hire the same ancient, overweight and tired referees every year. The bellies on these guys...fecking hell. Luckily the level is obviously light years away from the top level, but still...

I dislike how often current Premier League refs get in the way of play. I don't know if the lack of crowd noise means that I'm paying more attention to every little detail on the pitch, but they seem to be getting worse at this.
 

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The new age obsession with phrases like "high press" and "transition"

The over analysis of everything.

Knee jerk fans

A top team losing a game meaning they have been "found out", "owned" and all those crappy little "funnies" bitter fans post about other teams about one tiny little mistake or incident.

MR DT from Arse-fam tv. Repeatedly gets things so totally wrong and never admits it.
 

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True, but it does feel like a lot of these current Premier League refs have hung around for a while. Maybe it won't be long before we see newer, younger and fitter refs at the top levels soon in the UK.

I do know what you mean exactly, though. The refs on the continent do seem to have a completely different build and shape to the ones that we have. I help out with a football tournament that my school runs (it's fairly big, about 18+ other schools bring their teams to compete) and we hire the same ancient, overweight and tired referees every year. The bellies on these guys...fecking hell. Luckily the level is obviously light years away from the top level, but still...

I dislike how often current Premier League refs get in the way of play. I don't know if the lack of crowd noise means that I'm paying more attention to every little detail on the pitch, but they seem to be getting worse at this.
Yeah like it's not entirely because of the mistakes the referee's make. No referee is going to be 100 % perfect arguably even with VAR; but when mistakes are made in a physically demanding sport by human beings that dont look up to standards then those mistakes are questionable in an unnecessary way.

The same mistake happening by a fit, atheltic mid aged referee vs a fat and ageing one is going to be looked at by society differently.
 

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Not living in the moment. Maybe it's just being older rather than the modern game, but I feel like I'm now far too concerned with 'big picture' stuff and can't live in the moment in football. Even things like sponsorships and backroom staff seem to affect me to the point of annoyance. Maybe that's the price of being invested in the club, but I kind of wish I was more childlike and just enjoyed each thing in isolation rather than contextualising it.
 

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Every fan thinks they are a master tactician these days. The Football Manager generation.

Someone suggested to me that we should try Pogba & Bruno as “left & right mezzalas” I looked at him in disgust & went back to my pint.
Don't forget how they're also all such shrewd financiers.
 

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Knee jerk fans

A top team losing a game meaning they have been "found out", "owned" and all those crappy little "funnies" bitter fans post about other teams about one tiny little mistake or incident.
That'd be my pick as well. Also any sack watch/meltdown (apart from the original RAWK one)/let's laugh at thread that get bumped for what you described.
 

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I hate that the referee's are old and overweight.

They should be strictly kept at a certain age range and certain weight.
To be fair you can be fit enough to run around a pitch and still be overweight. Plenty of overweight people running marathons. But I get that they should be held to a higher standard.
 

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Transfer fees. It literally looks like slave trade. The way forward should be like in US sports. You sign a contract, respect and fulfill it, extend it if you want to otherwise move on to next club.
 

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Transfer fees. It literally looks like slave trade. The way forward should be like in US sports. You sign a contract, respect and fulfill it, extend it if you want to otherwise move on to next club.
American sports also involve trades between players, especially when they don't have a say on whether they want to be involved in a trade (see DeMar DeRozan's trade out of Toronto). In this case, even if clubs agree on a transfer fee, a player can still choose to not deal with the other club and continue their stay with their current team.
 

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Transfer fees. It literally looks like slave trade. The way forward should be like in US sports. You sign a contract, respect and fulfill it, extend it if you want to otherwise move on to next club.
There's two sides to this imo.

Transfer fees are an exciting part of football and genuinely are an addictive part of the sport. I can't say why but I think it's because you can apply a metric to something esoteric and argue over it.

And then there's the fact that fees have been inflated unreasonably by clubs like city and psg and are encouraging a greedy culture among clubs who won't even sell their journeymen footballers for reasonable prices (even against their will in some cases - the slavery part).

Financial fair play exists to ensure fees and wages remain realistic, but the real world suggests that hasn't happened.