No complaints really. I think we started too slow but second half onwards we were much better. It was pretty comfortable though falk looked a threat. On to the next.
EL W Europa League Quarter-Final
Manchester United 1:0 FC Copenhagen
Post-match discussion
Mon, 10 August 2020
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I think he means on current form, not on paper. Both have struggled a bit the last few games.
I guess you haven't noticed how many passes go wrong with Bruno lately. He is definitely not as sharp as he was before COVID.
I have to say that i saw so much different in the way Maguire played in this game and i'm pretty sure everyone here will agree that they loved watching those long passes which actually went to a wide player and not just looking for heads to keep it in play. I hope we continue to do that in the matches to come and next season. Bailly is a much better distributor than Lindelof and Maguire and i hope he's fit and plays more matches in the up coming season. Rest were good in the second half and i think we deserved a win but could've easily scored 4-5 goals in that match. I thought we were unlucky.
Yeah that's pretty right. We could play Fred/McT and move Pogba up to give him a rest ? He looked pretty tired and had a cramp last match. Both Rashford and Bruno should be given more rest imo. Matic as well if possible. Tbh I'm Ole I would send them on holidays, if more honest I would send our whole first XI.
Another pretty bad first half performance. Made them look like Barca in spells. They seemed to be able to string passes together way better than us. Pretty shocking stuff. Second half we seemed to wake up or something and got a penalty. So we won because we got a penalty. That's it.
Yeah, except no.
Yeah but that’s just how he is. Moments of magic, e.g. the long shot which hit the post last night and the pass to Martial which won the pen against Leicester. I’m fine with that thank you.
Btw, not disagreeing that he hasn’t been as sharp. However, pre-covid Bruno was as good as Neymar and Mbappe. He doesn’t have to constantly be that good to still be class. On current form, he is still the 3rd best AM in the world behind KdB and Muller.
Brilliant. Why so many dikheads on this forum with their little snide comments rather than just stating their opinion. Grow up.
Apart from a few minutes and one or two mistakes that led to dangerously looking counters, we entirely dominated the game, and even though I was a nervous wreck throughout, I thoroughly enjoyed it. On another day we get a early goal and flood gates open, but this is tournament football in the final stages and no team will go down easy.
Well, I don't see both of us saying "Ole out". And we're discussing this particular game, not about the season as a whole (of which I'm satisfied also). But a poster has already explained that the heat may affect the game so much, so maybe it's just that.
Also on retrospection, maybe Ole was trying to adapt different approach for European games, just like SAF did since Queiroz day. It's suffocating, keep it tight, unattractive, and rely on moments style.
I think at his peak and for the time that he is playing, he plays in any midfield bar Barcelona's.
Using England caps as a barometer is frankly a joke, and shows the level that I and others have sunk too in order to debate this with you.
Takes like yours doesn't deserve a proper response. Apart from the first 20-25 minutes, we were miles better than them, and only dodgy finishing and a goalkeeper on song kept us from battering them.
And sure, we only won "because we got a penalty." But you can say that about any one-goal win where the winner scored a penalty, it's a useless reductionist take. Our win was well deserved, and it's a shame we couldn't bury any of our chances to put it to bed before extra time.
But yeah, "shocking stuff."
We got lucky that Aaron Wan Bissaka was essentially a wall for that goal or it would have been 1-1 and off to penalties. We did very little in making actual chances with our possession. A lot of players had poor games including Bruno and Rashford. This is FC Copenhagen.
Ok feck it we destroyed them 1-0.
We got lucky that Iron Wall Bissaka did what he always does? Ok, then.
Or just after the restart
But then you refer to people as 'dikheads,' which in itself deserves a ban for poor spelling
Fine i'm the problem apparently.
Don't spit your dummy out, just don't call people 'dikheads.'
We had numerous shots on target, 4 that hit that woodwork, and a couple of good chances that went wide. On another day, we'd have been up 4-0 after 90 minutes.
Seems you're only able to rate performances based on the number of goals, which sucks for you. Just don't force that shit on the rest of us.
Their goalkeeper set a Europa League record for saves in a game (and several of them were worldies), but we did very little in making actual chances...
Fine i will rewatch the game. Seems as though i'm not in the majority. But the first half we looked shit. The second half we seemed much better.
Game is over: the world has moved on. Put a sock in it, will ya?
The ref gave a pen for an arm around Pogba's neck but it was again rightfully over turned for offside.
So your hypothetical gives them a goal for a block that AWB made, but ignores the 4 times we hit the post and the record number of saves in a Europa league match their keeper had to make? It could just as easily have been 3-0 by full time as 1-1 by Penalties, perhaps even more so. Just one of those games
I think your problem is that you don't judge the teams evenly. According to you they looked like Barcelona in parts and only luck meant they didn't take us to penalties. Yeh they only had something like 1 shot on target and none of the ball. So you seem quite glowing of their performance and quite scathing of ours, saying we were poor and only went through because of a penalty. Ignoring the 3 times we hit the post, the 1 time we had a goal ruled out by VAR, the 1 time we had a penalty overturned by VAR and the numerous exceptional saves by their goalkeeper and 1, frankly World class, block by one of their defenders.
We were by no means lucky to go through. We thoroughly deserved the victory and had we won 4-0 it would have not been a flattering scoreline.
we got lucky because one of our defenders did his job?
ok.
what does that say about them relying on their keeper?
Well I thought it would be interesting to insert some stats into this discussion. But I guess Carrick is just another misunderstood genius.
The bolded part is exactly why I think he is one of the most overrated players on here. But we'll have to agree to disagree as it's just an opinion.
That's a relief. Need to perform better against Sevilla.
Think there's been some over reaction really. We didnt play amazing, but we didnt play a bad as some people are making out here.
Copenhagen raised they're game and played well. Fair play to them for making it a good game.
We had chances, we should have scored more.
I'll always look at a game and see things certain players should do better at.
We controlled the game overall, but we could have made it MUCH easier. Midfield was our biggest issue for me. I dont know if it was tactical, but Maguire/Romero in particular seemed to go long down the middle a lot. That never worked yet we kept trying. We basically bypassed Fred and Pogba for the most part in favour of long hopeful punts upfield. Very poor.
Pogba was positionally awful and Bruno was in/out of the game, i think Bruno needs us to play through the lines to be effective - i think distribution from the back hampered his involvement for much of the game. Fred can feel hard done by coming off - he didnt do a lot wrong. He was in good positions to receive the ball yet Maguire just ignored him for the majority. Wouldnt be an issue if Maguire could find his man - but he rarely did. Fred was dropping into space - just like Matic does but was often bypassed. That causes issues because Fred is now too deep alongside the CB's so is in a worse position to challenge for 2nd balls. Matic made no difference to our midfield so i think Fred had a tough night overall
Martial was superb. Rashford had some good moments but looks fatigued. Williams battled well but we are desperate for Shaw to come back.
Anyone else see the point of Lindelof coming on? Literally made no difference whatsoever.
Greenwoods ability to get a shot away early is fantastic. We need to get him in better spaces around the box.
Copenhagen raised they're game and played well. Fair play to them for making it a good game.
We had chances, we should have scored more.
I'll always look at a game and see things certain players should do better at.
We controlled the game overall, but we could have made it MUCH easier. Midfield was our biggest issue for me. I dont know if it was tactical, but Maguire/Romero in particular seemed to go long down the middle a lot. That never worked yet we kept trying. We basically bypassed Fred and Pogba for the most part in favour of long hopeful punts upfield. Very poor.
Pogba was positionally awful and Bruno was in/out of the game, i think Bruno needs us to play through the lines to be effective - i think distribution from the back hampered his involvement for much of the game. Fred can feel hard done by coming off - he didnt do a lot wrong. He was in good positions to receive the ball yet Maguire just ignored him for the majority. Wouldnt be an issue if Maguire could find his man - but he rarely did. Fred was dropping into space - just like Matic does but was often bypassed. That causes issues because Fred is now too deep alongside the CB's so is in a worse position to challenge for 2nd balls. Matic made no difference to our midfield so i think Fred had a tough night overall
Martial was superb. Rashford had some good moments but looks fatigued. Williams battled well but we are desperate for Shaw to come back.
Anyone else see the point of Lindelof coming on? Literally made no difference whatsoever.
Greenwoods ability to get a shot away early is fantastic. We need to get him in better spaces around the box.
Football isn't a game where you can look at stats and completely understand a player's contribution or worth to a side.
Carrick played a role where dictated the tempo of the side through his passing, and shielded the defence extremely effectively. You don't have a stat that shows you how someone dictates play, or changes the tempo. You don't have a stat for how Carrick would know the pass he was playing before he even got the ball and often bypassed a midfield or defensive line, nor for how many times he would be the one providing the penetrating ball before an assist. The most obvious tell is how much worse we always looked when Carrick didn't play; far more disjointed, less effective defensively and struggled to play quick pass and move football.
I'm a big Matic fan, and at times for us he has been immense, but he is not as instrumental as Carrick was.
As for the game, I think we were relatively comfortable for most of it. Defensively we were solid; in a late-stage European game you expect to concede some chances and we did well to protect Romero's goal. We created more than enough chances to win, and while you'd rather not go to extra time we got there in the end. We're a tough side to beat at the moment, looking forward to Sevilla.
It's awkward when both your centrebacks are on yellows, you'd rather have one that can still get away with a tactical foul rather than both being on their final chance. I don't think it was anything more than that, Bailly played well.
That's why I thought he was referring to a different incident, since he said "denied".
Yet he was never the player who took the game by the scruff of the neck when things went south, was he? Always half the player when pressed too.
You mean when the best available midfielders were Giggs, Park and Jones? That I won't argue
Yes, you're right, a lot of passes were either to strong, or failed to find there target, but in tight matches it only needs one of those passes to come off, and we win 1 - 0. Think he could do with a long break after the EL.
Hit the post 4 times?
2 goals (rightly) disallowed for offside?
One of the disallowed goals came from a rebound from Greenwood hitting the post, but that makes 5 clear chances that I remember, there may have been others.
Read the post I to which I was responding... and then reread my entire response.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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9%
Paul Pogba
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9%
Bruno Fernandes
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6%
Juan Mata
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3%
Brandon Williams
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2%
Mason Greenwood
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2%
Eric Bailly
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2%
Harry Maguire
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1%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
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1%
Fred
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1%
Victor Lindelof
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1%
Nemanja Matic
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 288 ratings.
Score Predictions
232,4,4
- Man Utd win
- FC Copenhagen win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 32% Man Utd 3:0 FC Copenhagen
- 28% Man Utd 2:0 FC Copenhagen
- 12% Man Utd 3:1 FC Copenhagen
- 8% Man Utd 2:1 FC Copenhagen
- 6% Man Utd 4:0 FC Copenhagen
- 4% Man Utd 5:0 FC Copenhagen
- 4% Man Utd 4:1 FC Copenhagen
- 2% Man Utd 1:0 FC Copenhagen
- 1% Man Utd 0:5 FC Copenhagen
- 1% Man Utd 1:1 FC Copenhagen
- 1% Man Utd 3:2 FC Copenhagen
- 1% Man Utd 1:2 FC Copenhagen
- 0% Man Utd 5:5 FC Copenhagen
- 0% Man Utd 4:2 FC Copenhagen
- 0% Man Utd 2:2 FC Copenhagen
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- FC Copenhagen
- Possession
- 55% 45%
- Shots
- 26 9
- Shots on Target
- 14 0
- Corners
- 8 4
- Fouls
- 10 17
Referee
Clement Turpin
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Victor Lindelof
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replaced by Nemanja Matic
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replaced by Scott McTominay
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replaced by Jesse Lingard
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replaced by Juan Mata
