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I thought the Sancho deal would be dependent on us selling pogba tbh. With him staying and greenwood looking like a future worldie- why blow the 120m on Sancho. I think you put greenwood in that Dortmund team he’ll be 30goals next year. We got him dan James, ighalo TIL jan 31st. Maybe we just get Grealish and see what jan brings. We’re still totally unclear when fans etc can go back to stadiums and the longer Covid drags on for the less sky subscriptions are being bought. Seems sensible to me - the world is changing. Even city seem to spending sensible amounts at the mo.
Sancho was dependent on CL football, I'm sure we saved cash aside from last summer for the deal to happen this summer, the deal doesn't hinge on Pogba leaving. Why not have a future worldie and an already worldie both in the same team?

I'm sorry but I don't understand what less sky subscriptions has to do with a deal for Sancho? Also, City have spent £70m already this summer, which is roughly the first installment we were willing to pay for Sancho, so it makes no difference and like I say, we've kept money back from last summer for him.
 

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I have been a bit detached from the actual transfer but I'm enjoying the thread. Meltdowns, broken hearts and conspiracy theories.
Same really, been detached from football in general. I didn't bother watching the Copenhagen game after the first half. No matter when I update this thread and the number of page is moving up, there are posters who are losing their shit over Sancho.
 

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They've only updated that page after Zorc confirmed this on Monday.

For example, snapshot from earlier this month, 3rd August: https://web.archive.org/web/2020080...arkt.co.uk/jadon-sancho/profil/spieler/401173
Wasn't his wage increase / new contract reported last summer? It made him their top earner if I remember correctly. The only thing that wasn't reported last summer was the new end date, which likely means it was an option that been recently triggered.
 

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You mean like it being mentioned by Fabrizio Romano as being bullshit?

Sancho is not going to come out say that straight away that would be dumb for him, he would only break his relation with Dortmund and that wouldnt warranty him moving here so not much to gain but a lot to lose.

What makes more sense for you.

A) its a, lame, tactic they anounced after the deadline to put more pressure on United on buying him asap by saying he wont be cheaper next year because they secretly extended their contract.

B) they did secretly extended their contract just by one year, without anybody knowing. In times when is basically public knowledge of every god damn player in the planet how long their contract is.

Additionally this would have happend at least one year ago because they been trying to renew Sancho for one year now and has refused.

Come on mate, it doesnt takes much to realize this is a clear bullshit tactic.
I would really advise you to stop treating Fabrizio Romano as some sort of prophet.

What makes more sense for you.

A) The sporting director of Dortmund steps in front of the press to flat out lie in their faces about a contract extension. A lie that would help Dortmund zero in the negotiations because every party involved know the facts. A lie that is easily refutable and would in the end evaporate Zorc's credibility and integrity. So basically a complete own goal exercise just to troll United fans on twitter?

B) They in fact secretly extended the contract.

You know we live in a world where some people get away with just flat out lying in your face but luckily enough this is still the exception.
 

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- every other caftard on Jadon Sancho, summer of 2020
 

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I must be missing something. Aren't Negotiations still ongoing with many reputable Journos saying Sancho has agreed Personal terms ? why all the dead in the water stuff ? this was never going to be a " Hey Dortmund we like Sancho how about 70 million " " Cool Can we interest you in Haaland too ? " kinda deal. There is a bit of Road left on this Journey with a few more bends I suspect.
 

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Wasn't his wage increase / new contract reported last summer? It made him their top earner if I remember correctly. The only thing that wasn't reported last summer was the new end date, which likely means it was an option that been recently triggered.
No idea, but I think you may well be right.
 

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Hahaha, true.

This is also part of why we shouldn't pay this amount on him. It will come with too much pressure and can ruin a player. Look at HM, had a very good season for us but was picked apart for every mistake...just because he was a "£80m" player.
Who cares though? Harry Maguire has had a fantastic season here and has been worth every penny we paid for him so far, just like Sancho would be worth every penny at €120 million. As to your earlier statement I wouldn’t want us to spend that much if we have to lay off staff but equally we supposedly have £100 million budget this summer so that shouldn’t be a risk. I’d happily spend all our budget on one world class, elite talent rather than spreading it around other lesser players.

Sancho is an absolute no brainer even at that price so I’m still hopeful Utd put down the cash and we get it over the line.
 

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People suggesting Our alternatives as zaha or dembele are nuts. Zaha would cost 95m+ surely, dembele would be 70m for a terrible attitude, work ethic and injury hit player
 

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Just reading now that on that Podcast with Fabrizio Romano, they were saying the unofficially the numbers United were talking about with Dortmund is 60million Euro's max, and then we offered 60 mill with 20 mill in add-ons, which, if true, is just typical of how this club runs it's transfers business, without a single clue in the world.
This is typical American business bullshit and it gets you an appalling reputation. Agreeing an initial amount to get acccess to the player and then coming back with a lowball revised offer is the sort of idiotic tactic recommended by such titans of business like Donald Trump.

Given how football is run this just damages the clubs reputation, drives up prices and is rarely actually effective.

We need to get this awful mob out of our club. If they blow this transfer maybe fans will revolt in large enough numbers.
 

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People suggesting Our alternatives as zaha or dembele are nuts. Zaha would cost 95m+ surely, dembele would be 70m for a terrible attitude, work ethic and injury hit player
Sorry, but you'd have to be mentally ill in the worst possible way to pay another human being £95 million+ for Zaha.
 

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People suggesting Our alternatives as zaha or dembele are nuts. Zaha would cost 95m+ surely, dembele would be 70m for a terrible attitude, work ethic and injury hit player
Yeah , any links to them are just fake leaks/news that for negotiation purposes.
 

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Who cares though? Harry Maguire has had a fantastic season here and has been worth every penny we paid for him so far, just like Sancho would be worth every penny at €120 million. As to your earlier statement I wouldn’t want us to spend that much if we have to lay off staff but equally we supposedly have £100 million budget this summer so that shouldn’t be a risk. I’d happily spend all our budget on one world class, elite talent rather than spreading it around other lesser players.

Sancho is an absolute no brainer even at that price so I’m still hopeful Utd put down the cash and we get it over the line.
We lack squad depth. Ole has shown that other than about 14 players, he doesn't really trust the rest enough. We need some squad depth.

Pressure matters to a player. It is easy for us to sit here and say it doesn't matter but it does. He is only 20 yrs of age and this Manchester United...we come with extra added attention that no other club does.

For me, £90m maximum
 

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I must be missing something. Aren't Negotiations still ongoing with many reputable Journos saying Sancho has agreed Personal terms ? why all the dead in the water stuff ? this was never going to be a " Hey Dortmund we like Sancho how about 70 million " " Cool Can we interest you in Haaland too ? " kinda deal. There is a bit of Road left on this Journey with a few more bends I suspect.
I think we're at that stage in the saga where people need a positive new development.

If Sancho's agent comes out next week (presumably developments will wait until they're back in Germany now) and says Dortmund are a bunch of hipster knobs, then the thread will ignite again.

Right now, nothing positive - that hasn't been reported before - has come out for about 2 weeks. It's gone stale.
 

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To be honest, the window isn't closed yet. If it were off, United would have briefed the press already. They still might, but it seems too good an opportunity for us to ignore. Still think we will put in a bid.
I don't think the saga is over. If we desperately want him and are willing to pay big money then there's more to come IMO. I was just amused at all the "feelings" in this thread. It's natural I know, he's a cracking player.
 

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People suggesting Our alternatives as zaha or dembele are nuts. Zaha would cost 95m+ surely, dembele would be 70m for a terrible attitude, work ethic and injury hit player
Dembélé doesn't have a terrible attitude, people keep making that point when it's not true. All the things that have been reproached to Dembélé have happened to Sancho at City and Dortmund, outside of injuries.
 

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This is typical American business bullshit and it gets you an appalling reputation. Agreeing an initial amount to get acccess to the player and then coming back with a lowball revised offer is the sort of idiotic tactic recommended by such titans of business like Donald Trump.

Given how football is run this just damages the clubs reputation, drives up prices and is rarely actually effective.

We need to get this awful mob out of our club. If they blow this transfer maybe fans will revolt in large enough numbers.
Dream on.
 

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We lack squad depth. Ole has shown that other than about 14 players, he doesn't really trust the rest enough. We need some squad depth.

Pressure matters to a player. It is easy for us to sit here and say it doesn't matter but it does. He is only 20 yrs of age and this Manchester United...we come with extra added attention that no other club does.

For me, £90m maximum
Sancho fixes our depth in attack as he can cover the whole front 4 which will mean one of our existing 3 will always be waiting in the wings. Combined with James and Ighalo that’s not bad depth. We can make do across the rest of the pitch and also hope some youth players get a chance.

I’ll be honest I don’t see any difference in pressure between £90 million and £100 million so for the sake of £10 just get it done. Sancho is an elite talent who has played massive football games all his life and he will be joining Man Utd, the pressure will always be big and if the players can’t handle that then they aren’t good enough anyway. Maguire has shown he can play under pressure, Sancho would too, no doubt in my mind.
 

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Someone gave a good explanation for the secrecy around Sancho's extension a couple of pages ago. The club most likely has agreements with certain players under which conditions Dortmund would accept an offer. Sort of informal release clauses if you will. This summer we saw this quite clearly as the €120m number was reported very early and hasn't changed since then.
That contract extension last year gave Sancho a wage that was more in line with his performances and Dortmund one more year of being able to demand full price, a win/win. But announcing the extension would have created expectations among fans and in the media, which the club didn't expect to be able to fullfull, since they probably assumed someone would come up with the €120m (or whatever they promised him pre-covid).

Dembélé doesn't have a terrible attitude, people keep making that point when it's not true. All the things that have been reproached to Dembélé have happened to Sancho at City and Dortmund, outside of injuries.
Has Sancho been taken to court by his landlord? I don't think anyone ever suggested Sancho had a gaming habit that was keeping him from training or that he's eating junkfood and had to get a personal chef from the club.
 

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This is typical American business bullshit and it gets you an appalling reputation. Agreeing an initial amount to get acccess to the player and then coming back with a lowball revised offer is the sort of idiotic tactic recommended by such titans of business like Donald Trump.

Given how football is run this just damages the clubs reputation, drives up prices and is rarely actually effective.

We need to get this awful mob out of our club. If they blow this transfer maybe fans will revolt in large enough numbers.
:lol: Yeah, that's not happening. There is no transfer that's a slam dunk and of all the legitimate reasons fans have to protest, this one you're mentionning is ridiculous.
 

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Someone gave a good explanation for the secrecy around Sancho's extension a couple of pages ago. The club most likely has agreements with certain players under which conditions Dortmund would accept an offer. Sort of informal release clauses if you will. This summer we saw this quite clearly as the €120m number was reported very early and hasn't changed since then.
That contract extension last year gave Sancho a wage that was more in line with his performances and Dortmund one more year of being able to demand full price, a win/win. But announcing the extension would have created expectations among fans and in the media, which the club didn't expect to be able to fullfull, since they probably assumed someone would come up with the €120m (or whatever they promised him pre-covid).



Has Sancho been taken to court by his landlord?
About that extension

Didn't Romano (The twitter darling) say that the extension was made up? I'm sure someone tweeted that here.
 

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This is true. I wonder what it takes to get a blue tick on your twitter account as one of these journo’s.

It can’t be for actual journalistic work.
I meant lighten up.

You've conflated ITK spoofers with actual journalists.

I'm not going to bother getting into it too much as it's old ground but journalists report the information given to them by trusted sources. That information might turn out to be bollocks if the club for example are trying to get one version of a story out or it may have been true but the deal subsequently feel through.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to grasp that what's true today, based on the info available, might no longer be the case tomorrow.

Of course a lot of the transfer stuff is rumours and it's presented that way a lot of the time. Its not usually hard to tell the difference.
 

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I know you are joking, but serious mental illness isnt something to joke about.
I wasn't joking, you'd have to be crazy to pay that amount of money for Zaha.

If you're prepared to pay 95million for Zaha, why not go the extra yard and stump up the £108 million for the infinitely better Sancho.
 

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About that extension

Didn't Romano (The twitter darling) say that the extension was made up? I'm sure someone tweeted that here.
Oh come on.. it's one thing to believe Zorc is bluffing with the finality of monday's announcement, but to entirely make up contract extensions?

Is that linked to football?
Well.. indirectly. It speaks about his maturity as a person.
 

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I meant lighten up.

You've conflated ITK spoofers with actual journalists.

I'm not going to bother getting into it too much as it's old ground but journalists report the information given to them by trusted sources. That information might turn out to be bollocks if the club for example are trying to get one version of a story out or it may have been true but the deal subsequently feel through.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to grasp that what's true today, based on the info available, might no longer be the case tomorrow.

Of course a lot of the transfer stuff is rumours and it's presented that way a lot of the time. Its not usually hard to tell the difference.
Pretty much. Journalists rarely have the entire picture, they have one biased version and the ones with many sources may happen to have one on the other side of the story but it's probably rare in football since the game is international and involves many actors. Outside of investigative reports such as football leaks, people shouldn't treat these informations like gospel.
 

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I can't believe I'm going to defend the Glazer scum and Woodward here (surely must be the first time ever) but there's people on here so out of touch with what's going on in the world right now. Spending 120m Euros on one player right now isn't easy whatsoever. Liverpool just won the CL and PL within 2 seasons which brings loads of prize money and they are saying there's not much cash to spend. Madrid n Barca are crying poverty. Juve, Bayern etc aren't going mad.

Why do our fans seem completely out of touch with reality? Seen loads saying we should be going to Sancho, Grealish and a good CB this summer. This isn't football manager chaps.

If we manage to get Sancho over the line I don't think we will sign anyone else. There's a 100-150m deficit in our revenue. That's a lot of money to lose out on.
 

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Well.. indirectly. It speaks about his maturity as a person.
We know that an 18/19 years old is immature, it has nothing to do with football. When both Sancho and Dembélé are sanctioned multiple times by their clubs for being late or missing training, you have a link to football and you have signs of immaturity which again is to be expected when we are talking about young people. The only issue is that nowadays everything ends up on twitter, netiher have a terrible attitude, they just need/needed guidance, Dortmund did a good job with both in my opinion.

Tha landlord part is just a teenager being a slob and irresponsible which is the least surprising thing ever.
 

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Is there any advantage to United signing Sancho before we finish EL?

Or are we happy to negotiate until then and put in a formal bid once we are done with EL?
 

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I can't believe I'm going to defend the Glazer scum and Woodward here (surely must be the first time ever) but there's people on here so out of touch with what's going on in the world right now. Spending 120m Euros on one player right now isn't easy whatsoever. Liverpool just won the CL and PL within 2 seasons which brings loads of prize money and they are saying there's not much cash to spend. Madrid n Barca are crying poverty. Juve, Bayern etc aren't going mad.

Why do our fans seem completely out of touch with reality? Seen loads saying we should be going to Sancho, Grealish and a good CB this summer. This isn't football manager chaps.

If we manage to get Sancho over the line I don't think we will sign anyone else. There's a 100-150m deficit in our revenue. That's a lot of money to lose out on.
I kind of agree.
Spending 100m on one young player who is unproven in this climate is madness.

Hope Utd don't go through with this and look for other options.
 

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If we manage to get Sancho over the line I don't think we will sign anyone else. There's a 100-150m deficit in our revenue. That's a lot of money to lose out on.
We have a lot of players to possibly sell, and with Sanchez wages off our books I think its still a possibility. Wont be big money transfers ofcourse.
 

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I can't believe I'm going to defend the Glazer scum and Woodward here (surely must be the first time ever) but there's people on here so out of touch with what's going on in the world right now. Spending 120m Euros on one player right now isn't easy whatsoever. Liverpool just won the CL and PL within 2 seasons which brings loads of prize money and they are saying there's not much cash to spend. Madrid n Barca are crying poverty. Juve, Bayern etc aren't going mad.

Why do our fans seem completely out of touch with reality? Seen loads saying we should be going to Sancho, Grealish and a good CB this summer. This isn't football manager chaps.

If we manage to get Sancho over the line I don't think we will sign anyone else. There's a 100-150m deficit in our revenue. That's a lot of money to lose out on.
^This.
 

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Is there any advantage to United signing Sancho before we finish EL?

Or are we happy to negotiate until then and put in a formal bid once we are done with EL?
Pretty sure we want to finish EL first, to not get any distractions.
We also probably are waiting for Dortmund to get a replacement.
 

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I meant lighten up.

You've conflated ITK spoofers with actual journalists.

I'm not going to bother getting into it too much as it's old ground but journalists report the information given to them by trusted sources. That information might turn out to be bollocks if the club for example are trying to get one version of a story out or it may have been true but the deal subsequently feel through.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to grasp that what's true today, based on the info available, might no longer be the case tomorrow.

Of course a lot of the transfer stuff is rumours and it's presented that way a lot of the time. Its not usually hard to tell the difference.
Well, I find it impossible to decipher a legitimate story from a fabricated one these days, especially where football-related matters are concerned.

Even the reputable ones (if they even exist) cannot be trusted 100%. Literally, every tweet you read has to be taken with a pinch of salt.
 
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