This place is going to be a nightmare in the CL next season

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Another moaning thread...

Topics like these are weird. You want everyone to have the same opinion as you, basically. Well, what is the point of going on a forum then? If everyone has the same opinion, there can be no discussion. Literally, it will be like:

Person 1: We were really good today; there were absolutely no negative at all. Don't you see how positive and happy I am!
Person 2: I agree, we were perfection.
Person 3: Yeah, we are true fans.

It also sounds like burying your head in the sand. Any sort of criticism seems to infer negativity. You all seem to think the person being critical is some depressive. If I think a performance is crap, I will say so; I am not going to pretend for the naysayers. That is how it is and how it is going to be; get used to it.

How do you know the real depressive is the one being overly positive? There comes a time where it looks like compensating. It is like the cat on the lego movie.
 

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The redcafe cycle. There're people who moan about anything. Then, there're people like you, who moan about people who moan about something. Then, there're people like me, who moan about people like you who moan about something.
 

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  • Lindelof is good at nothing.
  • Daniel James is finished.
  • Maguire dwells on the ball far too long, clueless.
  • Brandon Williams is average.
  • De Gea is now trash.
  • We would be in better position if we have a better coach.
  • AWB useless in attack.
  • tumescent football.
  • Ole doesn't know when to rest players.
  • Ole overuse his first 11.

Anything else I missed?
Director of football?
 

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Moaners should be penalized by being forced to support Feyenoord for a year. Get it all out of your system.
 

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A lot of football fans blend their own lives and the success of the club to an unhealthy degree. That blurring makes them think the club is truly a reflection of them and their own value. It’s a bit sad when it gets to the point of slagging the players off, beyond reasonable critique, or talking about the club as if it owes them anything.
 

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Another moaning thread...

Topics like these are weird. You want everyone to have the same opinion as you, basically. Well, what is the point of going on a forum then? If everyone has the same opinion, there can be no discussion. Literally, it will be like:

Person 1: We were really good today; there were absolutely no negative at all. Don't you see how positive and happy I am!
Person 2: I agree, we were perfection.
Person 3: Yeah, we are true fans.

It also sounds like burying your head in the sand. Any sort of criticism seems to infer negativity. You all seem to think the person being critical is some depressive. If I think a performance is crap, I will say so; I am not going to pretend for the naysayers. That is how it is and how it is going to be; get used to it.

How do you know the real depressive is the one being overly positive? There comes a time where it looks like compensating. It is like the cat on the lego movie.
I think you have it wrong. What's frustrating is people who don't get behind the team. Everyone can and should moan but moan with a bit of purpose and at least try and get behind the lads given we have a big semi final coming up.

The clip of Ole being thanked for everything he's doing at the club by the Copenhagen player who is a United fan at the final whistle the other night spoke volumes to me. Some on here need to watch it and then take a step back.
 

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The paranoia is justified. If we can't even beat the worst team left in the competition in 90 minutes, it's going to be a long ride in the Champions League. I actually fear for us against Sevilla.
Yeah, our record v top sides is shit.
 

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Surely most people have accepted that we're not going to get him? I can't imagine anyone could be surprised on October 5.
I don't think it'll be shock come October 5, it'll just be anger. It's building already
 

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Another moaning thread...

Topics like these are weird. You want everyone to have the same opinion as you, basically. Well, what is the point of going on a forum then? If everyone has the same opinion, there can be no discussion. Literally, it will be like:

Person 1: We were really good today; there were absolutely no negative at all. Don't you see how positive and happy I am!
Person 2: I agree, we were perfection.
Person 3: Yeah, we are true fans.
Internet forums are echo chambers sadly, very hard to get constructive debate
 

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I tend to agree. If our fans are realistic when evaluating where we actually are as opposed to where they expect us to be, I think many would be more relaxed and content.
 

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The paranoia is justified. If we can't even beat the worst team left in the competition in 90 minutes, it's going to be a long ride in the Champions League. I actually fear for us against Sevilla.
If we played badly, that would be one thng, but we absolutely pasted them and their keeper and frame of goal kept it from being a cricket score.

Did you even watch the match, or just see 1-0 (AET) on Sky Sports News and come here spouting your shit?
 

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From reading about the performance last night to the fact we now face Sevilla on Sunday I'm truly baffled by what enjoyment some get from watching United and if it's that much hard work for you why bother. The usual posters slagging the club, moaning, explaining how poor we are and how Sevilla will do us (and in the final Milan will) blah blah.

Pointless us turning up for the CL next season really. Can we ask the PL to give it to someone else to save our embarrassment or is it too late?

Support the club ffs!
Top post, and thank you!
 

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We were shit against a shit team, people were rightfully disappointed by the performance, I don't see what the problem is. You can support the team whilst still being critical. Otherwise we may as well just go back to hoping everything turns out rosy eventually.
Except we weren't were we? Their keeper had a DDG at Arsenalesque performance that night, and was the only thing that kept them in the game. If just one of those attempts in the first 90 minutes went in, we'd have seen a 3 or 4-0 scoreline and people crowing about how well we played in conditions which were exceptionally difficult to walk, let alone run and play football.
 

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Agree with you. I enjoyed the match against Copenhagen. I thought it was an enjoyable game to watch; yet people here were livid we didn't beat them 5-0 - despite the fact we peppered their goal constantly, and if not for their keeper, it would have been a cricket score.

I truly don't get it. A good portion of the people here seem to get no enjoyment out of the game, and it seems the only enjoyment they get is from of being negative about anything and everything on a football forum.

It's bizarre.
I put it down to unrealistic expectations really:

You're a robot because you're paid ridiculous money:
It's almost like quite a few folks really haven't watched football that long and get a lot of understanding from video games. In their minds, players will play at the same pace in 30 plus degree heat as they would on a normal day, or after such a long season.

United players should be miles better than the opposition because they're more popular:
Because United is a big club and buys more expensive players, we should swat away all opposition with 3 goals or more. Almost like folks forget that the opposition is made up of professionals who have trained all their lives, and want the same thing - a win. TV revenue means that most top tier league clubs can buy decent players, and at the top, the difference in ability between good and better players is really not that wide. E.g. not saying he shouldn't improve, but people want AWB to attack like Trent and defend like, well, AWB. Players have limitations, even at the top end.

Exaggerated views of past teams - our heroes of the past never made mistakes:
They seem to romanticise the old SAF days where, let's be honest, those greats had horrible days at the office as well, and the standard of most of the rest of the premier league teams was a lot lower (see TV revenue comment). Just rewatch the games - our European performances give a much clearer barometer. There were times you wondered what the great man Sir Alex himself was doing. I suppose he was easier to trust because of his past successes, but, he had to be trusted in order to build that cushion in the first place. There's just no patience these days, any game less than 3 nil, and you get the "Do you trust Ole ..." (or something) thread bumped. Ridiculous

We're United, we buy and sell who we want:
Those days are gone, there were days we could just go and buy all the best players from our rivals, thus making them weaker, and us stronger. We could bully Spurs, Arsenal, whoever. Teams are a lot more financially stable now. We don't have some billionaire owner where if we buy a dud, we can just buy another player the next year, and sell the other. Other teams have scouts as well - fishing in the same pools, we're not always going to have the best in every position.

I know football better than the professionals that see each other in training day in and day out:
If you've held any position of leadership, it's clear that people looking outside in don't appreciate a lot of things like what you're actual targets are, what your measures of success are, the limitations you have to work around, and most importantly, the actual expertise to make any real educated judgement. The most recent stick is "bad coaching". Well, if Ole is so clueless, how did he end up 3rd in the league with the likes of Pereira, Lingard, James, and McTominay playing most games in the first half of the season with Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Bruno all missing huge chunks of the season for various reasons?
Also, regarding coaching, it's a two way achievement from the coach and the coachee. In football, that's 11 coachees all being in harmony! Kinks will take a lot longer to work through.

I love the idea of a youthful side and the benefits that brings, I however ignore the risks:
Young players are brave, pacy, and energetic - yes. However, they're notoriously inconsistent. They fluctuate in form, lose confidence, concentration, and make rash decisions a lot more than players in their peak. They also have a lot more glaring weaknesses because they haven't had the benefit of years of top level coaching and experience to develop the naturally weak aspects of their game. They require more patience and will take some time to become the finished article.

All managers must have a definite, single, recognisable blueprint of how they play (or should play like Pep or Klopp):
I blame pundits sometimes for this. A team could have 1 or 2 go to systems drilled into them, but they're allowed to play different ways to get a result with the personnel available. There seems to be an obsession these days with teams having an identified system which they never waver from. Sir Alex definitely didn't, and many great managers of his time didn't either. Yes he loved making the pitch wide and countering at speed but we played many different ways under him.
 

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Top post, and thank you!
No problems mate! At the end of the day I don't want an echo chamber and despite the odd wind up merchant we all love the club and want the same things. Would be nice if people could just appreciate where we are at the moment, how we are trying to put things right and what we are trying to build. There's going to be more frustrating times ahead but let's get behind the team together and hopefully we can get back to where everyone wants us to be!
 

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No problems mate! At the end of the day I don't want an echo chamber and despite the odd wind up merchant we all love the club and want the same things. Would be nice if people could just appreciate where we are at the moment, how we are trying to put things right and what we are trying to build. There's going to be more frustrating times ahead but let's get behind the team together and hopefully we can get back to where everyone wants us to be!
Absolutely, I fully echo those thoughts. The issue is, I think, that these people live their lives vicariously through the club which heightens their emotions. This then leads to a reaction from the other camp, which inevitably spirals into massive arguments.

All in all, those moaners are weirdos.
 

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Agree with you. I enjoyed the match against Copenhagen. I thought it was an enjoyable game to watch; yet people here were livid we didn't beat them 5-0 - despite the fact we peppered their goal constantly, and if not for their keeper, it would have been a cricket score.

I truly don't get it. A good portion of the people here seem to get no enjoyment out of the game, and it seems the only enjoyment they get is from of being negative about anything and everything on a football forum.

It's bizarre.
Agree. We are so negative towards players, as if they are robots. We have had 3 different play styles in the last few years.

Alot of players who were not Jose's cup of tea are now showing why they were unfairly treated. There are positives we need to look at and build on rather than focusing on the negatives only.
 

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The trouble is of course our appetite has been wetted (so to speak) we all can see the difference with our front and midfield players in particular and like Oliver we say "can we please have more sir!"
I've been somewhat critical of Ole and how he has changed things, in particular for the FA Cup semi, but so far he's on track, 3rd in the PL, qualified for CL next year, now on course to pick up some silverware... so what do I know? I believe we do have a good first X1, but that's all we have, some of our squad players can 'do the job' of stand-in on occasions to finish games off, but I am not happy when Ole makes changes from the off, when he has no need to! Surely it would have been better for Matic to have played the first hour against the Danes, than the last hour?

Anyway when fans want something better that's a good thing, kidding ourselves we have a sufficient squad to go after the likes of City and Liverpool doesn't help, its all about who we bring in and when, so far Ole's purchases have all been reasonable to good, one excellent, lets hope Woodward allows him to keep it up!
 

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Yes we should be afraid. We lost 2 successive semifinals.
I don't think you get what Manchester United is all about. We might not be on top at the moment in world football but we don't run scared and we always have a go at teams. It's the club DNA. Even at some of the roughest times we've beaten top teams and pulled out legendary come backs. Whether we win or not is one thing, and being cautious is another, but we certainly shouldn't be and won't be afraid.
 

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Agree with OP. There was nothing but hate for the club against Copenhagen. I wasn't reading any posts until late second half and during the game and I genuinely thought it was a good game, I pretty much enjoyed the best part of it and was shocked to see so many people with different views on here.
 

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  • Lindelof is good at nothing.
  • Daniel James is finished.
  • Maguire dwells on the ball far too long, clueless.
  • Brandon Williams is average.
  • De Gea is now trash.
  • We would be in better position if we have a better coach.
  • AWB useless in attack.
  • tumescent football.
  • Ole doesn't know when to rest players.
  • Ole overuse his first 11.

Anything else I missed?
Regardless of whether or not this is a joke it is actually a absolutely correct.
 

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And also, another moaning about moaners thread. The so called 'staunch anti-moaning' brigade are very ironic. All they do is moan about the moaners which equates to? You've guessed it, equally as bad moaners.
 

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I agree whole heartedly with the OP, one of the main reasons I don't post to often anymore and why I stay out of match day threads.

Edit. Past experiences lead me to believe that If Trent played for us he would get slated for not being able to defend.
 

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  • Lindelof is good at nothing.
  • Daniel James is finished.
  • Maguire dwells on the ball far too long, clueless.
  • Brandon Williams is average.
  • De Gea is now trash.
  • We would be in better position if we have a better coach.
  • AWB useless in attack.
  • tumescent football.
  • Ole doesn't know when to rest players.
  • Ole overuse his first 11.

Anything else I missed?
How in the hell could ya leave out "he leaves it to late to make a sub" :confused:
 

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And also, another moaning about moaners thread. The so called 'staunch anti-moaning' brigade are very ironic. All they do is moan about the moaners which equates to? You've guessed it, equally as bad moaners.
Moan about people moaning about the moaners. Sounds legit.
 

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Manchester United is an enormous clubs and expectations are extremely high. I'm shocked.
 

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From reading about the performance last night to the fact we now face Sevilla on Sunday I'm truly baffled by what enjoyment some get from watching United and if it's that much hard work for you why bother. The usual posters slagging the club, moaning, explaining how poor we are and how Sevilla will do us (and in the final Milan will) blah blah.

Pointless us turning up for the CL next season really. Can we ask the PL to give it to someone else to save our embarrassment or is it too late?

Support the club ffs!
Need to give all the players a rest until the 2021/2022 season. Play the kids in every match.
 

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If we win the Europa League next Friday week you’ll have people saying it means nothing , players still aren’t good enough , Ole is a shit coach blah blah blah.

They’ve already forgotten we finished top 3.

You can’t win
You can win. By actually achieving the objectives befitting of a club of this stature like challenging for and then winning the premier League.

Top 4 was progressive. EL will be good for confidence. But the actual aim is much higher. Every year since SAF left top 4 was seen as the bare minimum and trophies like FA cup and EL were seen as add-ons. Don't see that changing.
 

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Im all about being in the UCL for the money, but we dont have a chance there. Its quite sad to know since the start that we're not candidates.
It's about taking strides towards being candidates. If we continue sometimes qualifying sometimes not qualifying then of course people won't be elated at being in the CL when we get in. If we can actually build towards something special then it is indeed a necessary step to take. You don't go from 6th to 1st in an instant. At the same time you can be perpetually yo-yoing between 6the and 3rd with a few false dawns papering over a lack of quality and management.

In itself, Top 4 is important.
 

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Manchester United is an enormous clubs and expectations are extremely high. I'm shocked.
Exactly, the way some go on you'd swear we were Newcastle or Everton. While I do agree there has to be a balance to the criticism at times, I feel a lot of fans being critical are also worried that unless we up our game considerably simply aren't winning this thing when you look at how Inter are playing and our record vs Spanish clubs. Some on here see any sort of constructive criticism as hating the club though.
 

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From reading about the performance last night to the fact we now face Sevilla on Sunday I'm truly baffled by what enjoyment some get from watching United and if it's that much hard work for you why bother. The usual posters slagging the club, moaning, explaining how poor we are and how Sevilla will do us (and in the final Milan will) blah blah.

Pointless us turning up for the CL next season really. Can we ask the PL to give it to someone else to save our embarrassment or is it too late?

Support the club ffs!
I feel like you've confused some peoples apprehension of playing a very good team in the semi's with the general moan along the caf has become; a massive whingeathon wherein all of our players are shit, the club is shite, the managers shite, etc etc. Do you want a match day thread with 15 pages of "Yeah, we'll do 'em 5 - 0" - "No, it'll be 7 - 1"?

Right message, wrong aim.
 

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This place alternatives into extremes depending on the last game's performance. If we beat Sevilla comfortably, then we will suddenly become 'dark horses' for the CL around here. I remember when Sanchez was signed there were again discussions on whether we could be 'favourites' for winning it.

Personally, I would just concentrate trying to get into CL in consecutive seasons in a row (which we haven't done since SAF leaving?). Wouldn't worry about being competitive in CL, we have done okay in the competition in the post-SAF years.
Mourinho did that. EL win in 2017 and 2nd in 2018.
 

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This place used to be a nightmare of overreactions every time we lost. Then it started getting insane if we even dropped points. Now it’s unbearable if we don’t win 4-0 with free flowing football and 30 shots on goal.
 

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Anyway, as far as this place being a nightmare goes, nothing tops the last weeks of Moyes' reign. I've never seen that level of gloom concentrated in a forum before. People were openly bemoaning our wins as they were, and I quote, "prolonging the inevitable". cnuts who hadn't posted in years were coming out the framework to add some ash to the darkness

I probably would have deleted my account if I didn't restrict my posting to the general forums during that timeframe. If that level of dementor kiss level depression and darkness was allowed, you'll just have to live with people bitching about the CL games