Who are the players targeted by Barcelona according to the press?
How do Barcelona rebuild?
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Flipping heck. According to you, it seems Pochettino is Johan Cruyff and Sir Alex Ferguson rolled into one. He's a good coach who did a fine job at Spurs but ultimately didn't win a single piece of silverware in 5 years. Stylistically I'm not convinced he's a fit for Barca as well. His Espanol past might make him a tough sell. I always thought the job in Spain he coveted was the Real Madrid job. Taking the Barca job is a good way to jepardise that.
They need to restructure the entire club:
Messi 100% needs to find a new club for the last 3 years of his career in my eyes.
- Messi (he should leave because he should go to an established team like Ronaldo did with Juventus) being in a team going through a rebuild when you are 33 just isn't worth it. Go to a big team where he can play out his final years, perhaps win another league trophy in a different country.
- Keep Pique until retirement
- Tie Ter Stegen down long term
- Tie down De Jong long term
- Move on Vidal
- Keep Busquets but find a replacement
- Sign a young box to box player with potential
- Sell Suarez, play Griezmann central
- Find a new LW / RW, alongside Fati with rotation
- Find an Alba replacement (I saw the other day they didn't sign Davies because Bartemou said he was 'canadian' and said 'no thanks').
Messi 100% needs to find a new club for the last 3 years of his career in my eyes.
According to Sport, Barcelona will now consider a huge clear-out, with only four players considered untouchable in their entire squad. They are Lionel Messi, Frenkie de Jong, Marc-Andre ter Stegen and Clement Lenglet, according to Sport’s report.
Ansu Fati not included? This has got to be an exaggeration:
I feel their decline is being exaggerated, they will be able to maintain 2nd/3rd in the league without any issues but the late stages of Europe look a step to far with this squad.
I think they need 3-4 new faces that they can mix in with emerging talent and loanees coming back. Messi will stay for another year I feel.
I think they need 3-4 new faces that they can mix in with emerging talent and loanees coming back. Messi will stay for another year I feel.
3rd in a league that is essentially a 2 horse race is failure. They only managed to stay in the CL a couple of years in a row now by taking teams back to Nou Camp and overturning heavy away defeats, they've been in decline for a few years now, this is as Pique put it "rock bottom".
Messi to PSG... this or next transfer window. You heard it here first
I would say they're referring to first team regulars. Ansu Fati and Riqui Puig will be at Barca unless a club pays their respective buyout clauses.
Honestly, there's not a single Barca player I would consider untouchable if I was running that club, with the possible exception of Ansu Fati.
With the budget Pochettino had at Spurs and expectations at Spurs before Pochettino made them a big club, winning a silverware wasn’t a requirement. However, even though it wasn’t a requirement, he came close numerous time, which speaks about his managerial qualities. If the board at Spurs had taken the extra mile to support Poch, he would have easily won a trophy, but they were more concerned about their finances and building one of the best stadium in the world. At Barcelona, the club is a mess and they may look at Poch to help clean it up and bring stability like he did at Spurs, but unlike Spurs, Barcelona has a pool of talent that, Pochettino will be able to win things without paying ridiculous amount of money as they did in the past. Unless, they are replacing Messi. If they are replacing him, then they would need a top star to come in and that would cost a fortune.
Poch is a terrible manager tbf.
Heard today that Barcelona wants to get rid of many players, with loans mostly
Realistically speaking (Barca ain't getting rid of the youngsters, DeJong or Messi), what Barca players would you take for Man Utd 20-21?
Can only think of Griezmann (give him one year, see how it plays out). Maybe Lenglet. Their squad is THAT old/past-it. (Vidal? Alba? Piqué? Suarez? Rakitic?, ffs Stegen? the guy that panicks and concedes 8?? Dross like Semedo, Junior or Braithwaite?). And the problem with Dembélé and Umtiti is that they are injury prone.
Realistically speaking (Barca ain't getting rid of the youngsters, DeJong or Messi), what Barca players would you take for Man Utd 20-21?
Can only think of Griezmann (give him one year, see how it plays out). Maybe Lenglet. Their squad is THAT old/past-it. (Vidal? Alba? Piqué? Suarez? Rakitic?, ffs Stegen? the guy that panicks and concedes 8?? Dross like Semedo, Junior or Braithwaite?). And the problem with Dembélé and Umtiti is that they are injury prone.
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Not sure who will be interested. Certainly no big teams. Players like Vidal, busquet, rakitic, pique, suarez etc are too old and are on massive wages.
So far they are linked with Martinez, Dest, Ndombele, Garcia, Alaba, Aubameyang, and Neymar.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...outinho-liverpool-barcelona-transfer-18778388
The truth about Philippe Coutinho and what Barcelona really owe Liverpool
The truth about Philippe Coutinho and what Barcelona really owe Liverpool
They're totally broke. Their management has done lots of creative accounting in the past couple of years to make finances look good, they've got to pay so much for their recent signings for a good while. What their next board will inherit is scorched earth.
It's like buying 1000 new iPhones with these "pay x$ for a few years" deals.
It's like buying 1000 new iPhones with these "pay x$ for a few years" deals.
Thanks for the answer.
PSG's president said that Neymar and Mbappe won't move this summer.
Maybe next year?
Never liked them, hopefully they'll decline even more.
The only way I can see them rebuilding is without Messi. As godlike as he's been for them over the years, I just don't think its worth building your team around a 34 year old. All their recent high profile signings pretty much play in his position anyway, might be worth giving them a proper run?
They also need to stop starting the likes of Pique, Biscuits and Suarez every game.
They also need to stop starting the likes of Pique, Biscuits and Suarez every game.
Don’t know, don’t care, but it’s absolutely beautiful watching the implosion.
More than a club
More than a club
Lenglet is awful
Lenglet is awful
No, he’s not, far from it
Why do some PL fans get their panties in such a twist over this slogan?Don’t know, don’t care, but it’s absolutely beautiful watching the implosion.
More than a club
If people knew the history of the club they'd realise it's a true statement.
He is. He's nowhere near Barcelona standard but looks okay in the current team because the rest of the jokers are even worse.
The only way they can recover is if their highly salaried stars accept a pay cut and some of them go on loan - which it s not easy.
The biggest challenge would be the likes of Dembele, Griezmann and Couthino - ie recent expensive signings whose value is probably higher on Barca s books than on the market.
The biggest challenge would be the likes of Dembele, Griezmann and Couthino - ie recent expensive signings whose value is probably higher on Barca s books than on the market.
Nope, he’s actually quite good
Let's hope they raid Liverpool and City for one or two players.
I think this is about right. They should start the whole thing a fresh and the only way to do that is to move him on.
Probably Poch will take the job and start doing the massive rebuild they need, removing deadwood, reducing the payroll, entrusting the young guns, bringing new blood. He will win nothing of course, and that's when Xavi will take the job, profit and be considered the new Pep/Zidane.
The Messi situation reminds me of Shearer at Newcastle, he's grown that big he's untouchable.
They can't build a new team around a man that will be 35 in two years time. Messi needs to leave for Barca and his own career, I'd love him at United for a few years regardless of how we've been burnt in the past by former great players. Messi still has something in his legs to offer us for two or three years he's that good.
The problem for Barca is once Messi is gone they aren't left with a player that can basically destroy teams on his own, they'd need to replace him.
Suarez, Vidal, Umtiti, Alba, Rakitic, Dembele, Busquets and Pique, they've all seen better days. How do you get rid of them on the wages they are on, I don't see many fancying China at the moment, maybe they will go over to the Gulf states or Japan or maybe even the U.S.
They can't build a new team around a man that will be 35 in two years time. Messi needs to leave for Barca and his own career, I'd love him at United for a few years regardless of how we've been burnt in the past by former great players. Messi still has something in his legs to offer us for two or three years he's that good.
The problem for Barca is once Messi is gone they aren't left with a player that can basically destroy teams on his own, they'd need to replace him.
Suarez, Vidal, Umtiti, Alba, Rakitic, Dembele, Busquets and Pique, they've all seen better days. How do you get rid of them on the wages they are on, I don't see many fancying China at the moment, maybe they will go over to the Gulf states or Japan or maybe even the U.S.
This is the conundrum they face. IF COVID-19 didn't happen, shifting these players and recouping some cost back would have made sense. But the world - and in effect the football landscape has changed completely. I think the absurd fees we saw regularly (the £80+ million transfer fees) have peaked and now that bubble has burst. Most clubs are strapped for cash - Barcelona especially.
Essentially they're double fecked. The whole situation with Ozil, Sanchez, Coutinho etc . has put a limelight on how overpaid and detrimental such players are to clubs. Luckily with Arsenal & Manchester it's just the odd player. With Barca their whole team stinks of washed up, overpaid prima-donnas.
I'm truly fascinated to see how they can rectify their situation....if at all.
I can see most posters are too young (or too old?) to remember the hole Barca was in during 2000-2003 just to win a UCL in 2006.
They should try to offload some of this old players while bringing in more youth from academy. In this covid situation, no idea they can spend big in this window. I don't watch la liga often but have seen some nice youngsters like fati, puig etc so rebuilding should be easier. No matter what, barca have done some really stupid stuff in transfer market in recent times and probably going to pay for it next two seasons.
They were battered, but they have a very good squad overall. The season was terrible for everyone. People are clearly overreacting due, when the main fault was lack of a consistent planning from the Department of Football who led to a clusterf*ck of a season.
They don't need to get rid of these players right now and half of them are out of contract next summer anyway. Alba is still a quality player, they shouldn't get rid of Dembélé and Busquets/Piqué should be the older head in the locker room and squad options.
They have plenty of young players that should be phased in like De Jong, Puig, Todibo, Araujo, Fati, Dembélé, Miranda, Firpo, Wagué, Trincao, Pedri and Moriba who should be close in the next 12 months.
People are overrating when it comes to Barcelona, their number one problem is coaching and the political decisions that they take when they ignore some of the younger players in the team. During the season there was a rumor about the locker room being divided between the old players on one side and younger ones on the other.
Barcelona simply need to start thinking coherently, they are not in a big hole and they shouldn't overreact and make dumb moves, that's how they wasted Messi's last years by only thinking 12 months ahead. Personally if I was Barcelona(not Bartomeu), I would bring a manager that is actually willing to manage the team for 12 month, so probably a young spanish managers from lower leagues or smaller clubs because there is an election next year and you don't want to find yourself in a weird situation where the new board wants to bring his own man and spend a fortune on getting rid of the current big name manager.
There's a BBC Storyville documentary that follows Joan Laporta's first season as president. Club in crisis.
They are a bigger brand than they were in 2003 but they have so many overpaid players who'd want to be manager? The debt will keep rising unless players cut their salaries or leave.
Those rebuilds never really take as long as we initially expect them to at clubs like Barca, Bayern or Real Madrid. Even when they're in crisis they still end up being in CL and competing for trophies occasionally, Madrid were 'in crisis' for like 8 years between their 2002 Champions League win and early 2010s but were still winning La Liga and getting out of group stage in Champions League. That is probably where Barcelona may be for the next 2-3 years but I'm sure they'll be back in CL final within 10 years at worst. Probably within 5 even.
Almost all big clubs in Europe have been able to go from 'deep crisis' to being properly competitive within 5 years. The only ones who haven't are Milan and us, both of whom have been spectacularly mismanaged during this time. The falls that Man United and Milan have witnessed are almost unprecedented in European football.
Almost all big clubs in Europe have been able to go from 'deep crisis' to being properly competitive within 5 years. The only ones who haven't are Milan and us, both of whom have been spectacularly mismanaged during this time. The falls that Man United and Milan have witnessed are almost unprecedented in European football.
Barca's situation is a proper mess, though. They fielded their eldest line up in CL history (around 30 years old on average) and most of those players are a) finished and b) on lasting, expensive contracts. Pique is 33 and has 2 years left, Alba 31 and has 4, Busquets 32 and 3, Rakitic 32 and 1, Vidal 33 and 1, Griezmann 29 and 4, Suarez 33 and 1. 30 year old Pjanic is coming in with another 3 year contract as far as I know. At the same time, >70% of their revenue go into wages (50% is a good ratio) meaning that they have few leeway for new signing. Oh and Corona apparently ate their cash reserves so that they even had to see through the Arthur/Pjanic trickery.
Those players have no real market. Forget transfer fees, probably no club will be willing to cover their wages at this point. They're in a terrible starting situation for a rebuild. Should've spared themselves the last round of extensions and instead tried to sign young replacements. Their only hope is La Masia producing jewels like Puig and Fati.
The Arthur - Pjanic swap was a proper messy affair. An already old team replacing a promising youngster with another 30+ year old.
Who is responsible for these decisions?
Who is responsible for these decisions?