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Who/what in your opinion is currently holding the club back?
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Pogba and Raiola should be mentioned in the past.
Although right now I say just the Glaziers.
Although right now I say just the Glaziers.
You've made poor decisions and haven't had the expertise to deal with those decisions when they've been made. Let's not sit here and pretend that SAF didn't make poor decisions either. Of course he did. But he and the team around him was capable of rectifying them when they were made and finding a solution to it. The chopping and changing of managers, the wrong personnel and the wrong decisions have led to you struggling to get to the top again.
There does need to be a bit more realism from the fan side of thing too though.
There does need to be a bit more realism from the fan side of thing too though.
We are a footballing brand.
We get consistently called as the world's biggest club on adverts, media and on transfers. In comparison to what we have accomplished when comparing to other big clubs - there is significant differences in our ability to dominate the world as the biggest footballing club; except for money.
Glazer's just saw this and invested in it to make the problem more obvious as our success went with SAF.
I personally think ex-professional United players, managers and fans should be more creative in their way of trying to get this club back to being a football club. We have to find the right balance of giving managers the right capabilities to be successful here; whilst not giving a manager too much amount of freedom to control the club like SAF did here either. We as fans and as a club need to find the right balance of not supporting every manager with loyalty like the next coming of SAF.
That's where woodward fits in.
We get consistently called as the world's biggest club on adverts, media and on transfers. In comparison to what we have accomplished when comparing to other big clubs - there is significant differences in our ability to dominate the world as the biggest footballing club; except for money.
Glazer's just saw this and invested in it to make the problem more obvious as our success went with SAF.
I personally think ex-professional United players, managers and fans should be more creative in their way of trying to get this club back to being a football club. We have to find the right balance of giving managers the right capabilities to be successful here; whilst not giving a manager too much amount of freedom to control the club like SAF did here either. We as fans and as a club need to find the right balance of not supporting every manager with loyalty like the next coming of SAF.
That's where woodward fits in.
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Well there's not really anything holding the club back if you want to look at football clubs that stand on their own feet.
Liverpool has done amazing recruitment and built a title winning side.
We have done shoddy recruitment, wasted money, and built a barely good enough for CL side.
What's holding the club back has been the appointment of managers that have not made it work combined with a board of directors that have greenlit the projects.
Clubs like Chelsea and Manchester City are only where they are because outside investors are funneling money into the club en masse. The Oligarch who owns Chelsea is probably the most generous individual in football, he's splurged so much money on them from his own pocket its mindnumbing. Man C make use of fraudulent accounting and, well.. oil money to buy players.
Our owners do not invest in the club, they take dividends as the only club in the EPL that does so annually. Other clubs have owners that actually invest in the club, like Chelsea.
So to my point:
Clubs that rely on wealty owners to do business, aren't football clubs, they're investment banks. I don't want that, no matter how cool it is to buy everyone. But I also very much want the Glazers to stop taking dividends from the club, and actually pretend like they care about the club.
Liverpool has done amazing recruitment and built a title winning side.
We have done shoddy recruitment, wasted money, and built a barely good enough for CL side.
What's holding the club back has been the appointment of managers that have not made it work combined with a board of directors that have greenlit the projects.
Clubs like Chelsea and Manchester City are only where they are because outside investors are funneling money into the club en masse. The Oligarch who owns Chelsea is probably the most generous individual in football, he's splurged so much money on them from his own pocket its mindnumbing. Man C make use of fraudulent accounting and, well.. oil money to buy players.
Our owners do not invest in the club, they take dividends as the only club in the EPL that does so annually. Other clubs have owners that actually invest in the club, like Chelsea.
So to my point:
Clubs that rely on wealty owners to do business, aren't football clubs, they're investment banks. I don't want that, no matter how cool it is to buy everyone. But I also very much want the Glazers to stop taking dividends from the club, and actually pretend like they care about the club.
Think the problem is more the quality of mgmt rather than just the motives of the owners. The inconsistent focus, the expensive mistakes and lack of accountability all point towards the need to create a more cohesive decision making infrastructure.
In short, Woody needs to have his powers curtailed. Yeah, every once in a while he does something good but that's not good enough
In short, Woody needs to have his powers curtailed. Yeah, every once in a while he does something good but that's not good enough
Lack of football people in charge of football operations
The owners and lack of a clear strategy (although admittedly with Ole, it seems there is actually a plan).
One thing that is frustrating a lot of fans is our inability to do deals quickly. Some fans are happy for us to potentially have saved a few million pounds, which is of course good, but there are some negatives to it IMO. Firstly, saving a few million quid is very good for the club obviously. Regardless of how rich a football club is, £2million is still a significant amount of money for any club, even if we don't think it is to them. For all we know, we might have actually saved £1-5million on each of James, Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, and Bruno (which really adds up over time, it could be another player for example).
However, when we see teams like Chelsea & Man City seemingly get deals done in days or a maximum of a couple of weeks, it gets tiresome. It isn't because we don't get the player, or that we don't negotiate a better deal (a better deal can be constructed in more ways than just the total fee becoming lower), but mostly because of the time taken. From the way I look at it, we have people who are excellent at negotiating deals in terms of banking & sponsorship's, but buying a football player isn't the same as those. Your sponsor doesn't have to move house and/or country, learn a language, integrate themselves into a workplace with a new team, learn how the players play and manager works etc.
It looks like the teams most expected to rival us / be better than us / are already better than us will do their business completely before they even begin full training for the next season. They will be better prepared than us in every single way. We might buy Sancho and 2-3 other players before deadline day but we could have played multiple games by then and had a bad start and have to try and throw new players into the firing line in non-ideal circumstances. But, the board / owners / Ed will expect results because they spent the money and got the players eventually.
For me, I just have to say they are doing a bad job still and have been for years. They are failing at their job at the biggest club in the world. They should not be allowed to continue to do so.
One thing that is frustrating a lot of fans is our inability to do deals quickly. Some fans are happy for us to potentially have saved a few million pounds, which is of course good, but there are some negatives to it IMO. Firstly, saving a few million quid is very good for the club obviously. Regardless of how rich a football club is, £2million is still a significant amount of money for any club, even if we don't think it is to them. For all we know, we might have actually saved £1-5million on each of James, Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, and Bruno (which really adds up over time, it could be another player for example).
However, when we see teams like Chelsea & Man City seemingly get deals done in days or a maximum of a couple of weeks, it gets tiresome. It isn't because we don't get the player, or that we don't negotiate a better deal (a better deal can be constructed in more ways than just the total fee becoming lower), but mostly because of the time taken. From the way I look at it, we have people who are excellent at negotiating deals in terms of banking & sponsorship's, but buying a football player isn't the same as those. Your sponsor doesn't have to move house and/or country, learn a language, integrate themselves into a workplace with a new team, learn how the players play and manager works etc.
It looks like the teams most expected to rival us / be better than us / are already better than us will do their business completely before they even begin full training for the next season. They will be better prepared than us in every single way. We might buy Sancho and 2-3 other players before deadline day but we could have played multiple games by then and had a bad start and have to try and throw new players into the firing line in non-ideal circumstances. But, the board / owners / Ed will expect results because they spent the money and got the players eventually.
For me, I just have to say they are doing a bad job still and have been for years. They are failing at their job at the biggest club in the world. They should not be allowed to continue to do so.
I don't believe there was a "lack of an effective/decisive plan this summer". I believe we had a plan and targets outlined, and then a world event that nobody could've predicted came along , and plans had to change.
We are not City or even Chelsea - our owners don't put money into the club, they take it out. We have to live within our means and when all is well and good, those means are better than nearly anyone else's - but the money doesn't come from nowhere. If this thing goes on for another 12 months and matchday, tv, sponsorship and marketing income is further diminished, the same idiots who are slamming the club for not spending £300m this summer will be the first ones throwing stones and moaning about how fiscally irresponsible Woodward and the Glazers to put the clubs financial stability at risk.
You can bitch and moan about the Glazers but they're not going anywhere. It's about as productive about West Brom comparing themselves to Barcelona and saying "we'd be just as good as them if we had the same number of fans and a stadium in a nice, sunny city like that".
There are holes in our squad that need filling, there is no question about that. But they are only worth filling with top class players who will improve on what we have. We can go out day one of the transfer window and by 5 players for 20mil each to keep the muppets happy but we'll end up with more dross and squad filler which does nobody any good. Ole has targets and the club are working towards them, but we also can't be held to ransom anymore.
Half our problems over the last decade have stemmed from Ed telling the world "we can do things in the market other clubs can only dream of" and then throwing buckets of cash at famous names rather than actual football players who suited what we needed for our squad. A line has to be drawn in the sand, particularly in this time of uncertainty, where we say enough is enough and we won't be taken the piss out of anymore. If that means we miss out on a signing or two so be it - I'd prefer that than us panic buy average players or worse, some over the hill superstar who sees us a final paycheck while he dials in the last few years of his career.
We are not City or even Chelsea - our owners don't put money into the club, they take it out. We have to live within our means and when all is well and good, those means are better than nearly anyone else's - but the money doesn't come from nowhere. If this thing goes on for another 12 months and matchday, tv, sponsorship and marketing income is further diminished, the same idiots who are slamming the club for not spending £300m this summer will be the first ones throwing stones and moaning about how fiscally irresponsible Woodward and the Glazers to put the clubs financial stability at risk.
You can bitch and moan about the Glazers but they're not going anywhere. It's about as productive about West Brom comparing themselves to Barcelona and saying "we'd be just as good as them if we had the same number of fans and a stadium in a nice, sunny city like that".
There are holes in our squad that need filling, there is no question about that. But they are only worth filling with top class players who will improve on what we have. We can go out day one of the transfer window and by 5 players for 20mil each to keep the muppets happy but we'll end up with more dross and squad filler which does nobody any good. Ole has targets and the club are working towards them, but we also can't be held to ransom anymore.
Half our problems over the last decade have stemmed from Ed telling the world "we can do things in the market other clubs can only dream of" and then throwing buckets of cash at famous names rather than actual football players who suited what we needed for our squad. A line has to be drawn in the sand, particularly in this time of uncertainty, where we say enough is enough and we won't be taken the piss out of anymore. If that means we miss out on a signing or two so be it - I'd prefer that than us panic buy average players or worse, some over the hill superstar who sees us a final paycheck while he dials in the last few years of his career.
This! People love to ignore this as a lot of fans are obsessed with big names / big money transfers.
Yes Glazers have taken a lot of money out of United, however they have also invested a lot (and yes, I know that the money invested has been THE CLUB’S MONEY, before anyone explains again the history of our takeover). However we have wasted I don’t know how many millions, who says that all of a sudden the next 200 mil won’t be wasted either? The managers have to take a lot of blame too.
What we are also lacking is a couple of footballing persons in the board. But no idea how they would get there. You can’t just take ex players / legends, it needs to be the right persons. For example as much as I love Giggs and Scholes, I wouldn’t want them in the board making decisions about player recruitment, etc.
But just hiring a DoF from a Spanish club wouldn’t work either. It needs to be a well thought committe of ex United people and competent people from abroad working together with the manager and that’s also a huge challenge we are facing.
The root of all evil is that the club is now in the business of selling advertising. Winning trophies may help increase income from selling ads but it is not a must - and the costs of winning must be weighed against the risks of such investments not generating sufficient returns or hitting KPIs. The Glazers will spend - but what they have spent on has been dire. The second factor is thus the lack of footballing institutions within the club. I believe the two - the business of selling ads and the need for footballing institutional frameworks - are not exclusive. The Glazers are not explicitly trying not to win but our abysmal track record in player investment and development over the past few years have not done the case for increased player spending any favors - we have spent, mostly poorly. This is due to the lack of a consistent long term strategy to develop the club. We do not need superstar players or superstar managers - we need a superstar system. Liverpool has managed to do quite well recently though the jury is out whether they have actually built an institution the way Bayern did.
Glazers, Pogba, Lindelof and Woodward. In that order
Downright amateur recruitment. This goes for pretty much every area of the club from the board, to the coaching team, to the players.
Glazer's treating united like a cash cow simple as that
Pretty much, Football is full of mistakes but the best clubs have a way to mitigate them, would you say the same thing about Everton over the last 5 years? You have spent a lot of money and have seemingly made the same type of mistakes without fixing them efficiently?
At United when a mistake is made, it takes an eternity to fix it. I have assumed for a long time that it's due to misplaced pride and a fear to make new mistakes which are two common but useless feelings. United isn't particularly focused on money or maximizing it, so that theory should die and we don't have a particular strategey when it comes to transfers, we also aren't particularly slow in transfers.
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We made lot of mistakes, especially in the transfer market. We are always reactive in everything, in the transfer market or sacking the manager or hiring the manager.
We barely take advantage of bosman ruling, we make so many silly errors in the market it's hilarious. Just as an example, we signed Dalot who played around 6-10 games for 20 million, Leicester signed Ricardo from the same club, in the same window for around same price. He was good from day 1, our need for RB was so big with Valencia close to retirement.
We are very reactive in squad building, there are always players who move on free transfers, we barely make use of that. I don't remember the last time we loaned players for short term fix like every other big club does.
Biggest thing is we have to move away from manager thing, it should be head coach with dedicated team for recruitment.
Also for a change, we should be proactive in reaching out to managers, even when the current manager is doing just good enough job or if you believe there is only so much current manager can achieve.
We barely take advantage of bosman ruling, we make so many silly errors in the market it's hilarious. Just as an example, we signed Dalot who played around 6-10 games for 20 million, Leicester signed Ricardo from the same club, in the same window for around same price. He was good from day 1, our need for RB was so big with Valencia close to retirement.
We are very reactive in squad building, there are always players who move on free transfers, we barely make use of that. I don't remember the last time we loaned players for short term fix like every other big club does.
Biggest thing is we have to move away from manager thing, it should be head coach with dedicated team for recruitment.
Also for a change, we should be proactive in reaching out to managers, even when the current manager is doing just good enough job or if you believe there is only so much current manager can achieve.
Yep, we are in the same position as you in regards to trying to shift 'deadwood'. Either nobody wants to take them or we are having to dramatically reduce the asking price for the players. Walsh, our previous DOF, didn't really seem to have a specific transfer strategy and some of the decisions and transfers we made under him are now trying to be sorted out by Brands. He's no angel but he's fighting a losing battle at times with players that nobody wants to take. He's made some poor signings of his own but I'd say that he at least has some strategy to what he's trying to do at the club. I think he's trying to connect the U23 to the Senior team a lot more than we have been doing in the past 5 years and give a clear pathway to the first team that we used to have. That's one thing you have managed to do right in amongst the many failures.
For me, it's inflation.
The income from the club doesn't grow like the transfer fees inflation.
Clubs with unlimited money sugar daddies can dominate just because of that.
Gone are the days when United can sign multiple quality players in one transfer window.
The income from the club doesn't grow like the transfer fees inflation.
Clubs with unlimited money sugar daddies can dominate just because of that.
Gone are the days when United can sign multiple quality players in one transfer window.
100%.
SAF was our DOF and Manager rolled into one, thats why it worked. He had been around for decades and imposed himself on every aspect of the club. We cannot repeat that we need a team to replace 1 very special man. The different playing styles of each of our managers since is testament to how our approach has failed. This has also led to a big turnover in players and lots of half finished projects. Money thrown at new ideas every couple of years. It's an ineffective way to do things in an era where most of our competitors can afford to spend money on the top tier of players too.
Also with Chelsea and City the owners have a sense of pride and reputation associated with the success of the club. The Glazers don't take our success personally, it's a revenue stream for them, not a prestige item or a vanity project. They won't spend big when they have too, like this summer - it's the perfect opportunity to close the gap, really challenge with 3-4 big signings, but they won't do it. Last summer was the same, imagine if we got Bruno in September, or if we had cover for Pogba/Rashford. We wouldn't have been 30+ points adrift.
Look at this table, the difference is stark.
Its the Glazers and that is the bottom line. Until they're gone we are not going to have the ambition we once had to excel in the game. Everything we do is directed at putting money into their pockets. Without pressure being put on them this situation will worsen and go on indefinitely.
The last part is true and why I'm not as defeated as many are. The club needed to fix it's academy problems and they managed to do it brilliantly the same people that are accused of not caring about football have done one of the things that is often overlooked by football executives which is youth football and the link to the professional team. After that there have been clear mistakes and to me the pattern is that instead of picking a manager that suited United we tried to pick managers that seemed reassuring from the outside "the proven" type, we did the same with players. Personally the pattern that I see is a risk averse pattern which is a good thing when you have SAF but a bad thing when you are trying to look for creative answers in order to close the gap with teams that are in a more settled phase.
Ed has been very poor. Since SAF left, the investment in the club has been colossal, but the results haven't. And while within a season or two, the buck stops with the manager, within a decade, the buck stops with the manager's boss.
The fact that we still have to appoint a DoF or other football men in the club is nothing short of a travesty.
The fact that we still have to appoint a DoF or other football men in the club is nothing short of a travesty.
Glazers and the policy Woodward implements for them. I genuinely believe that solskjaer can take us to the next level, perhaps not the very top, but continue us on a rebuild to being competitive. People don't seem to realise how fast time goes. 7 years since we were even in a title race. Ending up 30 years without one like pool is very possible but right now we have a core of talent, a manager they like and are short 3-4 players for squad depth. To not fix this at this point is criminal and where will we be in 8 months if solskjaer is sacked with us sitting about 8th. Right back to square 1.
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Correct, we actually gave our Managers far too much power.
I also think it's a failing of Ed though, he's been employing Managers that like to play different styles of football, that really hampers our long term progress, we need a footballing identity and then stick with it.
The Glazers. If SAF wasn't the GOAT, the title drought would be longer than 2012-13. He was papering over the cracks. Without the greatest manager of all time, competent ownership/leadership is a necessity for sustained success.
Lack of ambition.
We are not a sport related goals team, we are a economic driven team. Thats why the only sport metric that matters is the one that hits the books, UCL qualification.
I thinks thats the reason why the Glazzers have keep Woodward for all these years, what we see as an awful period with constant failures they see it as succesfull years. The revenew its great for them and we keep being one of the top markeatable teams.
They build the team and hire the manager to be in the UCL, thats it. No need to spend more or sack anyone as long as that goal is achieved. On the contrary we see succesful teams that fire their coaches when they end up 2nd, or even when they win the title but the team is not playing to their full potential, Sarri for Juve and Kovac for Bayern for example. Us? No we are fine as long as we get top 4.
We are not a sport related goals team, we are a economic driven team. Thats why the only sport metric that matters is the one that hits the books, UCL qualification.
I thinks thats the reason why the Glazzers have keep Woodward for all these years, what we see as an awful period with constant failures they see it as succesfull years. The revenew its great for them and we keep being one of the top markeatable teams.
They build the team and hire the manager to be in the UCL, thats it. No need to spend more or sack anyone as long as that goal is achieved. On the contrary we see succesful teams that fire their coaches when they end up 2nd, or even when they win the title but the team is not playing to their full potential, Sarri for Juve and Kovac for Bayern for example. Us? No we are fine as long as we get top 4.
The inability to separate the business side of the club and the footballing side. Coming from the top down, it feels as though the club is always worried about one affecting the other. "Sign this player because he'll be a huge star/commercial success for the club" or "Gotta get UCL for that extra money". Even down to still having a business genius with no footballing acumen run our transfers.
Having 100m pounds helps in the transfer market, but it's been shown time and again that clubs can buy shrewdly players that are valuable but haven't hit the mainstream limelight and cost much less. But it seems like our recruiting tactics/structure for the main squad is always a farce, as we go for these huge names but rarely pull off some clever negotiations and get the signed for a bit cheaper, with it normally going the other way with us either negotiating for 2 months to pay full price, or missing out on the player.
I don't have an issue with the Glazers not throwing buckets of cash at the club, I've come to terms with them being greedy fecks at this point. But our approach to the transfer market has to change, or we'll always be just crossing our fingers hoping for the best every summer. This summer by all accounts we have been solely focused on Sancho, who plays for a club that is known for not budging on their price demands and being more willing to let a player walk for free or much cheaper later in their contract. This gives us literally 0 bargaining power, as Dortmund know he's our only target right now and can just call us our on our BS continually.
Having 100m pounds helps in the transfer market, but it's been shown time and again that clubs can buy shrewdly players that are valuable but haven't hit the mainstream limelight and cost much less. But it seems like our recruiting tactics/structure for the main squad is always a farce, as we go for these huge names but rarely pull off some clever negotiations and get the signed for a bit cheaper, with it normally going the other way with us either negotiating for 2 months to pay full price, or missing out on the player.
I don't have an issue with the Glazers not throwing buckets of cash at the club, I've come to terms with them being greedy fecks at this point. But our approach to the transfer market has to change, or we'll always be just crossing our fingers hoping for the best every summer. This summer by all accounts we have been solely focused on Sancho, who plays for a club that is known for not budging on their price demands and being more willing to let a player walk for free or much cheaper later in their contract. This gives us literally 0 bargaining power, as Dortmund know he's our only target right now and can just call us our on our BS continually.
Bruno and Harry at 26 and 26 do have some resale value, as did Mata at the time (26). None of them could be said to be hugely costly signings though in the way Pogba was(23) or Sancho would be (20). Matic is the only outlier really as we tend to avoid the 27 to 30 players as they demand a fee that you won't get back. After that we've always in the market for 30+ free agents - until the Sanchez experience made us realise it was often a waste of money.
The owners, and not necessarily because they have not spent money, but because they have spent it badly.
They should have got someone with more knowledge about football to oversee the football side of things, as we wasted a good bit if money on duds.
They should have got someone with more knowledge about football to oversee the football side of things, as we wasted a good bit if money on duds.
The owners. Plain and simple.
The clubs owners. They have no higher sporting ambitions. As long as the club keeps on making money for them, they're pleased. If along the way they win major silverware, it's a bonus.
That's why in another thread I argued that as bad as things were for Barcelona right now, their fans have the consolation of knowing that they can see back of that idiot president of theirs at their next election. God knows how long we have to wait for a change at the top.
That's why in another thread I argued that as bad as things were for Barcelona right now, their fans have the consolation of knowing that they can see back of that idiot president of theirs at their next election. God knows how long we have to wait for a change at the top.
Behave with that nonsense, no doubt you'll be telling me that two of the most highly rated young kids in Europe, Marc Jurado(Barcelona) and Alvaro Fernandez Carreras(Real Madrid) are only joining United because we are offering more money.
Anyho, in answer to the loaded op question, that pesky Railway Line is currently holding the club back as much as anything.
No one.
"Holding the club back" is preventing good decisions making implemented to help move the club forward to be better.
I don't think anyone at the club is doing that ^^^ I mean setting up that blockage.
So what's the problem?
1. Standards at the club have been lowered, despite their nice lip service of repeating the same speech of "high standards" and "United way". Knowing is starkly different than doing/implementing/living it.
2. Lack of highly driven skilled talents among all the personnels at the club be it players, managers, coaches, staffs and higher management teams. Only few. Not enough.
So seriously, we are where we are because we're not good enough. It's not totally bad, but not a dominant force either.
Two Huge reasons
Just get more skilled and highly driven talents with top notch mentality in all departments.
If the club hired a DOF, then it merely opens up a way for the skilled talents to get in and instigate good changes... or we might get a shit DOF, double-edge really.
For the current system of management, it could works a lot better if we bring in greater talents to the team. DOF is not a must, could even make it worser.
"Holding the club back" is preventing good decisions making implemented to help move the club forward to be better.
I don't think anyone at the club is doing that ^^^ I mean setting up that blockage.
So what's the problem?
1. Standards at the club have been lowered, despite their nice lip service of repeating the same speech of "high standards" and "United way". Knowing is starkly different than doing/implementing/living it.
2. Lack of highly driven skilled talents among all the personnels at the club be it players, managers, coaches, staffs and higher management teams. Only few. Not enough.
So seriously, we are where we are because we're not good enough. It's not totally bad, but not a dominant force either.
Two Huge reasons
- Top club management teams have skills but lack football intelligence. They don't get football.
- Football management teams have football intelligence but lack the skills, not good enough.
Just get more skilled and highly driven talents with top notch mentality in all departments.
If the club hired a DOF, then it merely opens up a way for the skilled talents to get in and instigate good changes... or we might get a shit DOF, double-edge really.
For the current system of management, it could works a lot better if we bring in greater talents to the team. DOF is not a must, could even make it worser.
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Yes to a few of those questions.
I remember “Announce Sanchez” Trending online with United fans saying sign him at all cost, don’t let him go to City. Same thing is happening with Sancho now. If the club spends so much money to sign him, firstly the pressure on him will be so huge and he could fail to meet the astronomical expectations that will come with the fee involved and we the same fans will berate him online. Our toxic online fan base is a serious issue. And because we have more fans than other clubs and due to our history, it’s worse than what happens at other clubs.
And also yes, the fans decided how much we should pay de gea .It was just last year that fans were putting in all the pressure online and saying how incompetent Woodward is for not yet signing De gea on to another contract and even blaming his poor form since the World Cup on the contract issues. Our toxic online fan base kept saying pay him whatever he deserves it all. Even Sanchez is on this amount. So pay de gea whatever. Now these same fans are forgetting that and blames the board for not predicting De Gea will become so poor in such a short period of time and for giving him the money fans claimed he deserved.
Our fan base is so toxic. We clamor and preassure our club for signings etc and when it fails we forget we asked for it. And blame Woodward for being clueless. Alexis Sanchez case is a typical example.
Glaziers = Don't know about football
Lindgard = Average academy player being hold on to for too long, as a first teamer
Bugba = Has a toxic agent
MacGuire = Fighting in Greece
Linderlof = Not good enough
Lindgard = Average academy player being hold on to for too long, as a first teamer
Bugba = Has a toxic agent
MacGuire = Fighting in Greece
Linderlof = Not good enough
Oil clubs with bigger and better access to funds.
Significant minority of our digital fan base who create a toxic atmosphere.
that’s it. I think we now have a footballing vision and a manager who knows how to activate it to a high level. It now just needs the best players throughout a squad to make it work. That won’t happen quick enough though because the likes of Chelsea and City will out recruit us.
Significant minority of our digital fan base who create a toxic atmosphere.
that’s it. I think we now have a footballing vision and a manager who knows how to activate it to a high level. It now just needs the best players throughout a squad to make it work. That won’t happen quick enough though because the likes of Chelsea and City will out recruit us.
Wasteful recruitment in the past 10 years, inclusive of Fergi era. We recruited CB who can't head, can't turn, can't run. Recruited MF who spent more time watching tennis than football. Recruited far too many left hand side players but no right hand side.