Woodward, Glazers....

backofthenet said:

Yes, and that may be the only way that we will eventually get rid of them. Because the harsh reality is that there is nothing that we, as fans can do about them. They own the club. We can protest. We can moan on the internet. Fecking headcases can (and probably will) turn up at Ed's house and throw fireworks. It doesn't matter a jot. The only thing that matters is the money and that will keep rolling in once the pandemic is done.

Only when that stops, when we are too mediocre for the share price to keep increasing, when they feel that they have maximised their return will the club go up for sale. And then we better be careful what we wish for in terms of the next owner, because, realistically, who can afford us? Sovereign wealth funds looking to sportswash their image, or dodgy oligarchs looking to do the same.

Carry on. Bemoan the fact that we have them. Doesn't matter, we're stuck with them.

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OK. So your solution is to just smile and be happy then. Don't criticize them, don't point out our terrible weaknesses as a club...

Escobar said:

OK. So your solution is to just smile and be happy then. Don't criticize them, don't point out our terrible weaknesses as a club...

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Criticize them all you want. They don't care. Point out their weaknesses, they don't care. Howl at the moon, pull your hair out, cry like a baby. They don't care.

They are businessmen, and the only thing that they are in it for is the money. That's it.

And since the money isn't gonna stop until we become a truly poor side, actually their incompetence in the football side should be applauded and celebrated, because it means we're a step closer to getting rid of them. Again, however, I must point out that we may get something far worse if we do eventually get shot of them.

backofthenet said:

Criticize them all you want. They don't care. Point out their weaknesses, they don't care. Howl at the moon, pull your hair out, cry like a baby. They don't care.

They are businessmen, and the only thing that they are in it for is the money. That's it.

And since the money isn't gonna stop until we become a truly poor side, actually their incompetence in the football side should be applauded and celebrated, because it means we're a step closer to getting rid of them. Again, however, I must point out that we may get something far worse if we do eventually get shot of them.

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Sometimes, clubs or owners need to change. Just didn't happen at United yet. It can happen, but not if you lock yourself in your room and pretend that everything is ok

We simply can't get rid of them, don't think anything we can do will have any impact. We make a feck ton of revenue and it will continue that way except for an incredible, global, joint effort, which simply put, is impossible

Just imagine where we’d have been if Abramovich had bought the club in those goddamned days beginning September 2003.

More than half a dozen more league titles, a few more CL titles. We’d have shat on all other clubs in England considering how far ahead of everyone else we were in the early part of this millennium.

The Glazers are a stain in our history that won’t go away, sadly.

Womp said:

We simply can't get rid of them, don't think anything we can do will have any impact. We make a feck ton of revenue and it will continue that way except for an incredible, global, joint effort, which simply put, is impossible

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We have seen what a lack of crowds has done to the finances.. the only way to impact anything is to hit them financially. Unfortunately, this will never happen.

Escobar said:

So, how do we feel about them?

It looks like they need money themselves (dividends), hence they don't want to spend money at all. Even though Ed said not too long ago we can do things other clubs just can't. On top, we are as amateurish, slow and clueless with regards to transfers as always.

Nothing has changed. Under the Glazers and that board, we do not move one step ahead. After finishing 3rd, it would have been nice to see more positive signals going into the new season. We will stay mediocre for longer, it seems

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I really thought this summer would be different.

The Glazers and Woodward are a disgrace to the club if we don't make progress in the transfer market.

Eddy_JukeZ said:

I really thought this summer would be different.

The Glazers and Woodward are a disgrace to the club if we don't make progress in the transfer market.

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They already are a disgrace as they have been since the leveraged buyout.

But yeah this summer will be another punch to the gut for sure. I always ask myself how much more will it take will the United players in the press and our fans really try to do something about it?

We are stuck in a cycle if every second year the throw money at the sinking ship to create the illusion of progress.

But then the next season they fail to keep trying to improve and then we regress. Rinse and repeat.


I don't see it changing personally but the fact it's happening to Ole after he got 3rd leaves a real bad taste. If he isn't getting backed no one will.

I can’t stress how much I hate the PL.

They blocked BSkyBs takeover attempt in 1998 because they didn’t want to create a monopoly, but were perfectly fine with City & Chelsea getting taken over by oil barons with blank chequebooks & let us get taken over by a guy with massive debts to attach to the club.

feck the Premier League. feck the FA. cnuts.

Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:

I can’t stress how much I hate the PL.

They blocked BSkyBs takeover attempt in 1998 because they didn’t want to create a monopoly, but were perfectly fine with City & Chelsea getting taken over by oil barons with blank chequebooks & let us get taken over by a guy with massive debts to attach to the club.

feck the Premier League. feck the FA. cnuts.

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Exactly I don't understand their logic. Its like they wanted some other teams to catch United and let those 2 acquisitions in without a question. Basically they did not want United to grow bigger. I hope one day the rich Saudis buy Manchester United.

Build a bonfire ...

Hellboy said:

Build a bonfire ...

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A takeover is needed.

Stretender said:

Exactly I don't understand their logic. Its like they wanted some other teams to catch United and let those 2 acquisitions in without a question. Basically they did not want United to grow bigger. I hope one day the rich Saudis buy Manchester United.

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And be associated with a horrific humans rights abusing, journalist murdering, terrorist sponsoring regime?.

I despise the parasitic Glazers as much as the next fan, but the last thing I'd want is for our success to be propelled by Saudi blood oil money.

Got absolutely no time for people who are only anti Glazer when the transfer window opens at all. When Woodwood bought Di Maria and Falcao a few years ago there were memes about how he was buying everyone and how much we loved him.

Wumminator said:

Got absolutely no time for people who are only anti Glazer when the transfer window opens at all. When Woodwood bought Di Maria and Falcao a few years ago there were memes about how he was buying everyone and how much we loved him.

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The problem is not just in the transfer window. The reason most fans become anti Glazer during the window is because the issues come to light even more during a transfer window.

They are running the club very badly in footballing terms, taking out personal loans, leveraging the club for personal use. This is happening throughout the year for years now.

The club keeps briefing that there is a plan and long term plan whereas it is quite clear to see there is no plan and everything is very reactionary.

Since LVG got appointed, signed players like Di Maria, Memphis who lasted for 2 years max. Then went from possession to pragmatic signing Jose players. Then he finished 2nd and gave him a new contract and failed to back him in the window, 7 months later sack him.

Hire Ole and back him, looked like there is a plan, failed to sign Bruno then forced to sign him in January.

Where is the plan? This is how this club wants to play football, this is the kind of players we need in each position and then finding the player. At the moment, we just go with what player is trending.

romufc said:

The problem is not just in the transfer window. The reason most fans become anti Glazer during the window is because the issues come to light even more during a transfer window.

They are running the club very badly in footballing terms, taking out personal loans, leveraging the club for personal use. This is happening throughout the year for years now.

The club keeps briefing that there is a plan and long term plan whereas it is quite clear to see there is no plan and everything is very reactionary.

Since LVG got appointed, signed players like Di Maria, Memphis who lasted for 2 years max. Then went from possession to pragmatic signing Jose players. Then he finished 2nd and gave him a new contract and failed to back him in the window, 7 months later sack him.

Hire Ole and back him, looked like there is a plan, failed to sign Bruno then forced to sign him in January.

Where is the plan? This is how this club wants to play football, this is the kind of players we need in each position and then finding the player. At the moment, we just go with what player is trending.

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100%.

United is becoming a joke of a club. We're essientially a business now. And now our club captian has a legal conviction

romufc said:

Where is the plan? This is how this club wants to play football, this is the kind of players we need in each position and then finding the player. At the moment, we just go with what player is trending.

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The plan is obvious; Do everything to keep the fans appeased while spending as little as possible to keep their cash cow producing milk. As soon as the fans are starting to, or showing signs of, uniting against the Glazers (Woody is their shield) they promise changes, DoF briefings etc... This happens every year and they are certainly monitoring the mood on social media to attempt to put out any potential fires before they ignite. They drag out every transfer to get as much social media clicks as a performance metric to show potential sponsors. Appointing OGS was made to have a well-liked player in charge, so it would be more difficult for the fans to show their dissent towards the club, Owners and Woody.

One fundamental aspect of how this club is rotten is the way they view their fans (should here be noted that there is no proof for this, just my personal opinion): Some companies and clubs view thinks that the club is for their fans. Meaning that how they operate, play etc is to satisfy their customers (fans) and delivering a quality product (results and entertainment) is vital for their fans(customers) satisfaction. Our club runs on the premise of the shareholders and owners. Meaning that "customer management" is to deliver a quality product(££££) to the owners. Thus the fans are seen as something exploitable. A revenue stream. A source of income. As long as the product (result and performance) offered is good enough, they will keep paying, being interested etc. The problem here is that within the sport world industries, brand loyalty is extremely strong and thus makes it possible for a company (club) to deliver a really bad product without losing the customer...

Bestietom said:

A takeover is needed.

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Genuinely think we're too big/expensive to be taken over. We've probably peaked in value for anyone wanting to make a profit, and those who just want a play toy can get a much cheaper one and build in a way that lets them do whatever they want.

Fosu-Mens said:

The plan is obvious; Do everything to keep the fans appeased while spending as little as possible to keep their cash cow producing milk. As soon as the fans are starting to, or showing signs of, uniting against the Glazers (Woody is their shield) they promise changes, DoF briefings etc... This happens every year and they are certainly monitoring the mood on social media to attempt to put out any potential fires before they ignite. They drag out every transfer to get as much social media clicks as a performance metric to show potential sponsors. Appointing OGS was made to have a well-liked player in charge, so it would be more difficult for the fans to show their dissent towards the club, Owners and Woody.

One fundamental aspect of how this club is rotten is the way they view their fans (should here be noted that there is no proof for this, just my personal opinion): Some companies and clubs view thinks that the club is for their fans. Meaning that how they operate, play etc is to satisfy their customers (fans) and delivering a quality product (results and entertainment) is vital for their fans(customers) satisfaction. Our club runs on the premise of the shareholders and owners. Meaning that "customer management" is to deliver a quality product(££££) to the owners. Thus the fans are seen as something exploitable. A revenue stream. A source of income. As long as the product (result and performance) offered is good enough, they will keep paying, being interested etc. The problem here is that within the sport world industries, brand loyalty is extremely strong and thus makes it possible for a company (club) to deliver a really bad product without losing the customer...

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I agree, which is quite annoying. The ambitions of the fans and the owners are completely different.

I see a thread saying is it time to re-evaluate our expectations going into the new season, which shows that slowly but surely they are getting the fans to the same level.

This is Manutd, when was the last time we went into a season thinking, okay lets try and challenge for trophies..

We are 3 years without a trophy, not like we have even come close to one, and if we do win any it will be more of hope than expectation.

As long as fans will pack out OT, nothing will change. I said this a few weeks back and some posters came back to me saying, "we go to OT to meet friends regardless of what football is being played"

They are great owners, feck those who want to pump their own money sometimes/always into the club on all levels. United and Arsenal should feel blessed.

backofthenet said:

Criticize them all you want. They don't care. Point out their weaknesses, they don't care. Howl at the moon, pull your hair out, cry like a baby. They don't care.

They are businessmen, and the only thing that they are in it for is the money. That's it.

And since the money isn't gonna stop until we become a truly poor side, actually their incompetence in the football side should be applauded and celebrated, because it means we're a step closer to getting rid of them. Again, however, I must point out that we may get something far worse if we do eventually get shot of them.

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This is very true. I don't think they care at all either about how well the club does, as long as they can keep profit levels afloat. They are off on a jacht somewhere right now. Unless someone or something managed to get them personally invested, to the point that Uniteds succes or failure became a point of pride for them, attracting negative, social sanctions from their peers in times of poor performance, I only see one other way for them to reconsider their ownership.

Fear. For their own, personal safety or the safety of their families. If Joel Glazer felt like he had so watch his surroundings nervously whenever he went outside, because a wild eyed, green and gold coloured fanatic with a machete could at any moment lurch from behind every bush he passes, they would sell the club as soon as possible. They're business men, not political leaders. Obviously, football fans don't exactly form underground militias, because we have families, and this is a game in the end, not a battle for political utopias. If United sucks, most people with a level head will either stop following the club too closely, or just adjust their level of expectations, and drink an extra beer during the game. Or perhaps rant on message boards typing out dark comparisons between club ownership and political assassination.

Maybe our best bet of a change in direction is the Glazers striking up a relationship with John Henry or Florentino Perez. Get some competition at going at a personal level. It could be that all we really need to see the makings of the next great United side is the right super rich get-together and the beginning of epic level pissing contest. Whoever manages that will probably do a lot more for the club and its fans that anyone ever could with a machete.

R'hllor said:

They are great owners, feck those who want to pump their own money sometimes/always into the club on all levels. United and Arsenal should feel blessed.

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So a leech who suck United dry is great owners ? Hello Ed, how is life ? Or are you Joel ?

romufc said:

The problem is not just in the transfer window. The reason most fans become anti Glazer during the window is because the issues come to light even more during a transfer window.

They are running the club very badly in footballing terms, taking out personal loans, leveraging the club for personal use. This is happening throughout the year for years now.

The club keeps briefing that there is a plan and long term plan whereas it is quite clear to see there is no plan and everything is very reactionary.

Since LVG got appointed, signed players like Di Maria, Memphis who lasted for 2 years max. Then went from possession to pragmatic signing Jose players. Then he finished 2nd and gave him a new contract and failed to back him in the window, 7 months later sack him.

Hire Ole and back him, looked like there is a plan, failed to sign Bruno then forced to sign him in January.

Where is the plan? This is how this club wants to play football, this is the kind of players we need in each position and then finding the player. At the moment, we just go with what player is trending.

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Yep, we managed to paper over the cracks during the restart and everyone was happy and optimistic. I was just thinking, we were a single injury away from not making top 4 and now we're not capitalising on that. We're making the same mistakes as always.

Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:

I can’t stress how much I hate the PL.

They blocked BSkyBs takeover attempt in 1998 because they didn’t want to create a monopoly, but were perfectly fine with City & Chelsea getting taken over by oil barons with blank chequebooks & let us get taken over by a guy with massive debts to attach to the club.

feck the Premier League. feck the FA. cnuts.

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Utter nonsense.

Imagine being owned by Murdoch ffs.

Thousands of United protested about that takeover in 98 because despite the obvious advantages, it would have ripped the soul out of the club.

The Glazers need to make a change with who is the face of the club, when it comes to the footballing side of things. By all accounts, we have amateurs involved.

I really want to see Edwin and Paul Mitchell in charge soon as.

MancunianAngels said:

Utter nonsense.

Imagine being owned by Murdoch ffs.

Thousands of United protested about that takeover in 98 because despite the obvious advantages, it would have ripped the soul out of the club.

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Probably. But that was before we were afflicted by even worse

We saw how to make an impact upon their 'leadership', but people didn't like it.

The only way to drive them out is to make life miserable for them, and particularly to create ENDLESS bad PR for them and the club.

In short - be cnuts to them, as they are to us.

Again, people don't like it, but that's the reality.

Rhyme Animal said:

We saw how to make an impact upon their 'leadership', but people didn't like it.

The only way to drive them out is to make life miserable for them, and particularly to create ENDLESS bad PR for them and the club.

In short - be cnuts to them, as they are to us.

Again, people don't like it, but that's the reality.

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I hope you don't mean a mob descending on Ed Woodward's house?

Not only was that morally wrong it was also entirely counter productive.
It elicited a lot of sympathy for Ed Woodward and effectively killed off a rapidly growing anti-Glazer/Woodward movement.

You're right about a PR campaign though. Ed hired a professional football journalist to ride shotgun for him because he was clearly rattled and worried about his public image. You can see evidence of leaks and briefings (some laughably obvious) as a result. They seem to do PR like they do negotiations, embarrassingly badly.

backofthenet said:

Criticize them all you want. They don't care. Point out their weaknesses, they don't care. Howl at the moon, pull your hair out, cry like a baby. They don't care.

They are businessmen, and the only thing that they are in it for is the money. That's it.

And since the money isn't gonna stop until we become a truly poor side, actually their incompetence in the football side should be applauded and celebrated, because it means we're a step closer to getting rid of them. Again, however, I must point out that we may get something far worse if we do eventually get shot of them.

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But most of the money is coming from fans in England who goes to the match, and all over the world who buy jerseys and merchandise. What if we boycott until they leave. Look at Barcelona, one Messi said am leaving, and they are rioting in streets. We have been in that bad situations for years now and I don't see any movement, yet no vacant seats at old Trafford. If they don't see the need for change cause money is still coming they won't change

The Glazers have an offer on the table from the Spanish Ortega Family. Amancio Ortega and his daughter believe that it is the perfect time to buy the club.
Source - RadioelFuego1 (Reliable?)

WyvernUnited said:

The Glazers have an offer on the table from the Spanish Ortega Family. Amancio Ortega and his daughter believe that it is the perfect time to buy the club.
Source - RadioelFuego1 (Reliable?)

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no apparently it’s a wind up

WyvernUnited said:

The Glazers have an offer on the table from the Spanish Ortega Family. Amancio Ortega and his daughter believe that it is the perfect time to buy the club.
Source - RadioelFuego1 (Reliable?)

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Fake news.

backofthenet said:

Criticize them all you want. They don't care. Point out their weaknesses, they don't care. Howl at the moon, pull your hair out, cry like a baby. They don't care.

They are businessmen, and the only thing that they are in it for is the money. That's it.

And since the money isn't gonna stop until we become a truly poor side, actually their incompetence in the football side should be applauded and celebrated, because it means we're a step closer to getting rid of them. Again, however, I must point out that we may get something far worse if we do eventually get shot of them.

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Actually, if enough of the fans did care and it reached a tipping point, then it would impact sponsorship, then the owners would need to take some of the fans opinions on board.

WyvernUnited said:

The Glazers have an offer on the table from the Spanish Ortega Family. Amancio Ortega and his daughter believe that it is the perfect time to buy the club.
Source - RadioelFuego1 (Reliable?)

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Would explain that Glazers wont spend this window?

MAYBE IM CLUTCHING AT STRAWS! IM SO DESPERATE TO GET RID OF THOSE PARASITE

Fluctuation0161 said:

Actually, if enough of the fans did care and it reached a tipping point, then it would impact sponsorship, then the owners would need to take some of the fans opinions on board.

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Sure. So what's enough? Of the 330 million they claim how many do you need to get to achieve a material difference? The big problem is coordination with potentially hundreds of millions of people. How do you get them to stop buying, engaging, impacting on social media? It will take cold, hard cash. That's it.

I would be less disappointed in them if the didn’t come out year after year saying, we’re going to rebuild and we can spend millions on top players.
If they just said the truth about how much they’re looking to spend then I think people wouldn’t feel as short changed or hate them as much.

Deery said:

I would be less disappointed in them if the didn’t come out year after year saying, we’re going to rebuild and we can spend millions on top players.
If they just said the truth about how much they’re looking to spend then I think people wouldn’t feel as short changed or hate them as much.

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They can't do that cos selling clubs will then know how much they can screw us for. That's a stupid idea. Sorry

backofthenet said:

They can't do that cos selling clubs will then know how much they can screw us for. That's a stupid idea. Sorry

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They already do screw us, we might actually save money this way..

AlexUTD said:

Would explain that Glazers wont spend this window?

MAYBE IM CLUTCHING AT STRAWS! IM SO DESPERATE TO GET RID OF THOSE PARASITE

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It could be fake news , but am just as desperate as you are mate. Looking for hope