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Put simply if that's true then any sensible company is going to put their own interests first and look to downsize City centre offices as they are expensive

If companies actually see more value in having people in the same buildings then they are going to do that but prets profit margins as you put it isn't going to enter that equation
The issue is going to be, when companies realise that they can get just as much productivity by off-shoring work from home jobs to India/China/Malaysia for a fraction of the cost.
 

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Surprise, surprise, a government of Brexiteer fanatics sees only opportunities for themselves and their mates from the pandemic. Absolutely bereft of any vision to rebuild the economy other than stupid slogans. All the big employers have already indicated they are not planning reopening their offices fully any time soon, but the geniuses from vote leave reckon all that is missing is another fact free campaign.

Tough for town centres, but I cannot really see people going back to the same old patterns of work again. A competent government, never mind a radical one, would be figuring out how to support the town centres adapt.
I went into the office to grab an extra monitor a few weeks ago and the center of Sydney was a ghost town. Many cafe's and fast food joints haven't bothered opening because the business isn't there. Some pubs opened and have closed again due to a lack of business.
 

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The issue is going to be, when companies realise that they can get just as much productivity by off-shoring work from home jobs to India/China/Malaysia for a fraction of the cost.
If they could offshore, they would have already. Not sure Covid is a catalyst for offshoring; those operations that could be offshore have probably already moved.
 

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If they could offshore, they would have already. Not sure Covid is a catalyst for offshoring; those operations that could be offshore have probably already moved.
Surely the same argument applies to masses of the workforce working from home?

I do a job that can't be done from home so can't comment personally. My friends who are are a bit more split than the opinion on here but here it seems that peoples' lives are much better, seemingly with no drop in quality or quantity of work done whatsoever.

But pre pandemic, this wasn't happening at this scale and there were no serious calls to essentially change how vast tracts of the workforce work.
 

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Surely the same argument applies to masses of the workforce working from home?

I do a job that can't be done from home so can't comment personally. My friends who are are a bit more split than the opinion on here but here it seems that peoples' lives are much better, seemingly with no drop in quality or quantity of work done whatsoever.

But pre pandemic, this wasn't happening at this scale and there were no serious calls to essentially change how vast tracts of the workforce work.
I would argue my productivity has been higher these last few months, if only because I save the equivalent of a whole day's work from not commuting. But it isn't perfect and there are projects we are parking because we cannot do them remotely. We have also had to work pretty hard trying to maintain the social aspect of work and help with mental health. People are participating in stuff they would ordinarily not, like wellbeing sessions and mindful hours.
So, I think we cannot maintain this level of productivity long-term; we shall have to go back. I just don't think we will work in the office quite as much as before, now that we have seen how much we can do remotely. Hence, the need for offices will be much reduced eventually.

I think Offshoring certain operations is not quite as easy as having remote working. For one, there are gains in being proximate to hubs of companies up and down the value chain that support your operations. Similarly, being near innovative hubs is beneficial: there is a reason why a bunch of tech companies have sprung up near Cambridge, in the so-called Silicon Fen. Whilst the big companies can perhaps set up their own hubs, small and medium size companies (which are the majority) are dependent on others to form a hub.
 
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The best thing about this is that just over three years ago Robbie Gibb was the Head of Political Programming at the BBC. So in the same breath as saying that the BBC has a woke agenda, they are admitting that its most senior news and politics roles are filled by 'Top Tories'.

Which just goes to show that the right will never be satisfied. BBC journalists could literally be sinking the boats of the migrants they chase in the channel all whilst blaring Rule Brittania over a loudspeaker, and the Daily Mail would still criticise them.
 

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I cant even blame them. The voters gave them license.
Just as long as we get Brexit... I can't even be arsed finishing it. I'm done. Let's just leave the EU and move on to the next ten years of austerity, where the Tories pit everyone against each other except the elites.
 

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So I see that Boris wants all MP's back in Parliament so as to set an example to encourage people back to work.
He needs to remember that he does not employ workers. Their companies do and they understand that there is no pressing reason for them to do that.
Yet more illogical idiotic irresponsible policies made on the hoof.

The only reason he wants his MP's back in the commons is because he wants their support as a result of Keir Starmer making him look like an idiot during PMQs.
 

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So I see that Boris wants all MP's back in Parliament so as to set an example to encourage people back to work.
He needs to remember that he does not employ workers. Their companies do and they understand that there is no pressing reason for them to do that.
Yet more illogical idiotic irresponsible policies made on the hoof.

The only reason he wants his MP's back in the commons is because he wants their support as a result of Keir Starmer making him look like an idiot during PMQs.
Yep, and don’t forget it’s our responsibility to save the sandwich shops!
 

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I can't wait for all the new hilarious right-wing shows that must be in the pipeline. Hitler's Half Hour? The Two Rommels? Laurel and Heydrich?

The BBC has become a really bad joke in itself.
 

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So I see that Boris wants all MP's back in Parliament so as to set an example to encourage people back to work.
He needs to remember that he does not employ workers. Their companies do and they understand that there is no pressing reason for them to do that.
Yet more illogical idiotic irresponsible policies made on the hoof.

The only reason he wants his MP's back in the commons is because he wants their support as a result of Keir Starmer making him look like an idiot during PMQs.
Typical bully. Needs his cronies behind him cheering him on, even when he doesn't make sense.
 

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Typical bully. Needs his cronies behind him cheering him on, even when he doesn't make sense.
That is a good description. He knows that he is nothing like as bright intellectually as the very sharp Starmer. So he has given up trying to out think him.
Instead he will just turn to his mob and talk to them instead.
Typical bully tactics.
 

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It’s incredible how often this current government has made a decision, then had to reverse it a short while later. Seems genuinely unprecedented? Latest u-turn is regarding the lockdown in Manchester but they seem to have been constantly making humiliating climb-downs. Often on really important issues (e.g. A Levels). Has any British government ever so obviously lacked the courage of its convictions?
 

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It’s incredible how often this current government has made a decision, then had to reverse it a short while later. Seems genuinely unprecedented? Latest u-turn is regarding the lockdown in Manchester but they seem to have been constantly making humiliating climb-downs. Often on really important issues (e.g. A Levels). Has any British government ever so obviously lacked the courage of its convictions?
I think the calculation is that the climb downs are generally to positions with public support - boris is a populist - hes trying to be a populist - i dont think he has many convictions beyond hard brexit (which is one policy they have showed no sign of backing down on so far)
 

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It’s incredible how often this current government has made a decision, then had to reverse it a short while later. Seems genuinely unprecedented? Latest u-turn is regarding the lockdown in Manchester but they seem to have been constantly making humiliating climb-downs. Often on really important issues (e.g. A Levels). Has any British government ever so obviously lacked the courage of its convictions?
I missed it if he listed them but Starmer kept referencing 12 u-turns during the pandemic and 8 policy climb downs in 8 months.
 

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I think the calculation is that the climb downs are generally to positions with public support - boris is a populist - hes trying to be a populist - i dont think he has many convictions beyond hard brexit (which is one policy they have showed no sign of backing down on so far)
True. They’ll back down on every policy decision apart from the one that will do the most damage of all.
 

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I’ve heard Kier ripped him a new one again, as per.
He did.
But today, Boris performance was a new low, even by his appalling standards.
He knows that Starmer has a fixed number of questions.
What he is now having to do is not only to not get anywhere near to an answer. But to launch into a pathetic attack on a subject nothing to do with the or any question.

Surely it is up to the speaker of the house to request that the PM actually answers the question, rather than Starmer having to waste another of his allocation trying to get an answer.
 

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He did.
But today, Boris performance was a new low, even by his appalling standards.
He knows that Starmer has a fixed number of questions.
What he is now having to do is not only to not get anywhere near to an answer. But to launch into a pathetic attack on a subject nothing to do with the or any question.

Surely it is up to the speaker of the house to request that the PM actually answers the question, rather than Starmer having to waste another of his allocation trying to get an answer.
Yep just seen some of the answers now, what the hell was that answer to Blackford at the end?!

He just uses his answers to steer it wildly of course and hit Kier with abuse, you’re right the speaker should be there to make sure everything is relevant.
 

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He did.
But today, Boris performance was a new low, even by his appalling standards.
He knows that Starmer has a fixed number of questions.
What he is now having to do is not only to not get anywhere near to an answer. But to launch into a pathetic attack on a subject nothing to do with the or any question.

Surely it is up to the speaker of the house to request that the PM actually answers the question, rather than Starmer having to waste another of his allocation trying to get an answer.
Bercow would've made him answer the questions. I miss that guy.
 

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To top the guy off, he's also made comments about climate change probably doing some good.