Manchester United 1:3 Crystal Palace

Siorac · Sep 19, 2020

patty123 said:
Finland and Bulgaria are hardly something to be using mate as most average will look good against those 2. Now haven't said that we both agree right is not where he belongs and should never have been shoehorned into it today and that's on Ole.

More concerned about Luton if I am being honest mate.

Really? I don't think it's humanly possible to give less of a feck about something than I do about that game. It's the League Cup. I wouldn't mind if we didn't even compete in it.

sammsky1 · Sep 19, 2020

Maluco said:
As a big CL club, we need to be better. It’s great to be positive, but the organisation at the club is non-existent. We should have been ready to go, but the line-up was awful, key players haven’t arrived and the team looked terribly unfit and flat.
Going to a very competitive Brighton next game, and a loss there would mean we could be 6 points behind other top 4 teams after the first two games.
It’s very early, but we have seen this pattern so many times and from there, it would be difficult to stay positive about any facet of things. Today is a massive blow, for so many reasons.
It wasn’t a 1-0 loss against the run of play. We were well beaten by a side with very little quality. It’s a massive downer.

I'm just stating the facts as I saw them.

Our extended last season, such little break in between, the idiocy from Maguire, AWB and Greenwood means they missed out on some training, and very little new incoming transfers all combined into this clusterfcuk of a performance.

We all know this squad is so much better than this and all purred at a lot of the football it played just 8 weeks ago. That includes Maguire and Lindelof. So its not as though we are shite. We are just unfit and rusty, and I don't know any way we could avoid that, given what's happened in the past month.

Verminator · Sep 19, 2020

I'm gonna go on the caf and have a laugh, when I wake up and realise that was just a nightmare.

Rightnr · Sep 19, 2020

Fooza said:
Call this kneejerk, but we are nowhere near the top teams this season and it's worrying our unfit we are still.

I'm also concerned being in the CL with this team. Sancho or not, the transfer window can't save us as it's far too late to get what we really need to be close to challenging anything.

We need a reality check at how inept the manutd hierarchy are.

Hardly kneejerk when the current champions, who finished 33 points ahead of us, have spent c.£80m summer and added three players while we've added one.

Anyone who thinks we're anywhere near the top teams, especially the scousers, is absolutely delusional.

I don't think Ole's the man to take us to trophies but this whole organisation is no longer a football club. It's a business venture to extract money from fans.

bdspeedy · Sep 19, 2020

We need to scorch these grifter owners. Apply maximum pressure. Same as last year. I won't spent a cent on ANYTHING related to the club. Eddie OUT!!! Glazers OUT!!!

Tincanalley · Sep 19, 2020

There is only one question now.
- will the fans
Will the Fans of MUFC
The supporters of Manchester United FC.

Will they put up with this?
Will they continue to put money in the pockets of the Glazer leeches?
Will they buy season tickets, subscriptions to mutv? Merch, tv subscriptions etc etc?

I guess they will. For a while, anyway. None of the bad stuff is a secret. It was done openly. We have seen LVG shafted and disrespected by that utter pig Woodward. We saw Jose treated like shit too. Now Ole is the fall guy. None of these men were perfect. But all deserved better. They deserved support.

But these “Glazer” people are not the club. They are not Manchester United. The club has cancer. They are it.

kouroux · Sep 19, 2020

Maluco said:
As a big CL club, we need to be better. It’s great to be positive, but the organisation at the club is non-existent. We should have been ready to go, but the line-up was awful, key players haven’t arrived and the team looked terribly unfit and flat.

Going to a very competitive Brighton next game, and a loss there would mean we could be 6 points behind other top 4 teams after the first two games.

It’s very early, but we have seen this pattern so many times and from there, it would be difficult to stay positive about any facet of things. Today is a sizeable blow to moral, for so many reasons.

It wasn’t a 1-0 loss against the run of play. We were well beaten by a side with very little quality. It’s a massive downer.

And it could have easily been much worse if Ayew wasn't such a shit player

Andersons Dietician · Sep 19, 2020

gerdm07 said:
The first goal was more Shaw's fault than Lindelof's. If Shaw is in better position that's not a goal. The other two goals were unfortunate more than anything especially the second.

I think all 3 of them are at fault. Lindelof should stop it, Maguire should be covering the front post so he stops it and Shaw should be much closer to Townsend and have been quicker to head in when Maguire went in.

Just a shocking bit of defending and it wasn’t the only one during game. We just looked so undercooked it was unreal.

Then Ole decides to commit pushes Shaw and Fosuh up and then it looked like everytime Palace went forward like they were going to score as Maguire and Lindelof can’t be trusted or cope when they are left to defend.

At this point Ole might as well of taken Lindelof and Maguire off and make Fosu and Shaw play as CB’s. At least they would have stood a chance defending against them.

Random Task · Sep 19, 2020

I don't know if it was punishment for their summer misdeeds or poor fitness that made Ole play James and TFM in place of Greenwood and AWB, but it was a mistake and a costly one at that.

You're supposed to make a statement of intent in your first game of the season, not hand the opposition an advantage just to make a point. Bad move Ole.

sammsky1 · Sep 19, 2020

mazhar13 said:
Regardless of all of the good work that Ole does, I find that he doesn't necessarily have the courage to take chances with his first XI and subs. Whilst an overall lack of match sharpness was certainly a factor, we could have tried to mitigate that given that we did have one pre-season match.

Martial, Pogba, and Lindelof didn't play any pre-season football with United. It was quite clear that they weren't in sync with the rest of the team (to varying degrees). James also played on the right instead of the left. Why couldn't Ole have fielded a midfield of McTominay-van de Beek-Fernandes? Why couldn't James play on the left and Rashford on the right? Why couldn't Fosu-Mensah play at CB with one of Dalot or Brandon Williams at right back? Why couldn't Ighalo start in place of Martial?

Sure, we may not have had our strongest XI on paper, but at least we'd have had a side that'd be more familiar with and get more out of each other. The likes of Pogba and Martial could then have been options off the bench to make us even better. As it stands, though, our overall sloppiness and lack of sharpness was telling. Whenever Palace pressed us at the start, the midfielders didn't have instant options to play a pass to, and they needed extra touches to settle on the ball. Both Maguire and Lindelof became hesitant to play through the midfield, which slowed us down big time and made us easier to defend.

Maybe Ole wants more good players in his squad before he can take those chances, but at this point, if fielding our best XI gives us this kind of a performance, then he may have no choice but to take chances as the team continues to sharpen up and get ready for a long season ahead.

Bruno was also in Portugal until very recently as he had a new daughter. He didn't play in warm up game vs Villa

SolskjaerHasDoneIt · Sep 19, 2020

JakeC said:
Shaw wasn't as abd as most.

True he was ok but a lapse of concentration cost us the 1st goal.

DomesticTadpole · Sep 19, 2020

If he loses to Jose unfortunately he could be in trouble just because of the way Jose will react. He will milk it to the full. Although he will also say the board have not backed Ole like they didn't back me.

Woodzy · Sep 19, 2020

Essentially, as it stands this summer, all we've done is allow the title challengers to pull further away from us and the top 4 challengers get closer to us. Such a huge lack of ambition.

Fluctuation0161 · Sep 19, 2020

We were shit. Need more signings to improve squad depth.

But wtf was that penalty debacle? That was a critical point in the game. Is Kevin Keegan the man in the VAR room? Or Zahas dad? :lol:

Fracture90 · Sep 19, 2020

Acquire Me said:
We were shit. I don’t think the manager alone should take all the blame.

We are still tanked. Terrible “pre season” for us.

And we must get some new players in.

I mean without anything resembling a proper plan and direction that isn't just counter attacking, even if we bring in Sancho and whoever else, i don't think much will change.

MC89 · Sep 19, 2020

Mason Greenwood will be looking in farmfoods for a bird and no Iceland after that bolloks

Jund · Sep 19, 2020

In times like this I imagine it's far easier to be a Scunthorpe United fan, at least then you have a decent explanation why you lost to Palace at home...

Maluco · Sep 19, 2020

sammsky1 said:
I'm just stating the facts as I saw them.

Our extended last season, such little break in between, the idiocy from Maguire, AWB and Greenwood means they missed out on some training, and very little new incoming transfers all combined into this clusterfcuk of a performance.

We all know this squad is so much better than this and all purred at a lot of the football it played just 8 weeks ago. That includes Maguire and Lindelof. So its not as though we are shite. We are just unfit and rusty, and I don't know any way we could avoid that, given what's happened in the past month.

That all speaks to discipline inside the club too though. It is a very worrying look. Looked in disarray today, couple that with rumors of agents laughing at the way we conduct ourselves for transfers, and it isn’t a pretty picture.

It wasn’t a loss today, it was a disastrous performance against a very average team. It’s definitely enough to raise concern after the summer we have had.

Sandikan · Sep 19, 2020

RedRonaldo said:
Fergie bought us Zaha before he retired. We then sold Zaha cheaply for 3m, and spend over 300-400m over the years to bring in many other expensive players which didn't work.

He is easily the best player on the pitch tonight, none of our defenders could handle him.

And that's Man Utd way of doing business.

How was Zaha the other 9-10 times we've met since?
Let's not overdo the hype here.

Rolaholic · Sep 19, 2020

Seems as though everyone, from fans/rival fans, pundits/ex players can identify and find solutions to the clubs multitude of issues currenty except for those in charge of the decision making with the power to actually fix it.

Either that or they simply don't give a feck and are more than satisfied with the bare minimum so long as the money rolls in

mazhar13 · Sep 19, 2020

sammsky1 said:
Bruno was also in Portugal until very recently as he had a new daughter. He didn't play in warm up game vs Villa

True, but at least he had some internationals with Portugal. Given that we had no #10 on the bench other than Donny van de Beek, he had to play. If Lingard was around in the 18, maybe I'd have been okay with him starting instead, but he wasn't.

Kostov · Sep 19, 2020

Banana Republic said:
There’s no point blaming James for not offering much, when he actually tried to make an effort, unlike the so called first tier players.

Same with McTominay, who despite making a few mistakes, played better than those criticising are making out. He worked hard and was our only protection in midfield and that’s why we were swamped at times.

The blame lies elsewhere and mostly with the so called star players.

Keeping Rashford on the pitch when he was totally awful is unforgivable.
This lad has been totally over rated and even when he was in his golden patch, scoring goals and creating chances for Martial, he never really looked good enough.

There’s no excuses about fitness or coming back from injury. That’s all bollox.
If he’s not fit enough, he shouldn’t be playing, end of.
Clearly he’s deemed fit, but there’s a blindness to how poor he is and he’s selected.
Then just like the Europa semi, he’s still kept on the pitch no matter how awful he is.

Then there’s Pogba. What a waste of space.
A complete clown.
If he carries on like this, it’ll be his 5th season of mediocrity and inconsistency.
His track record across most of his senior career proves he is no way a “world class “ player.
More an unreliable enigma.

But go ahead, blame the youngsters and bleat for Utd to splash out on Sancho. As if that’ll solve anything.

Spot on.

We rely on players like Rashford and Pogba, players who are absolute shit when they have a stinker, and that is like almost every second or third game.

Gazza · Sep 19, 2020

Sara125 said:
Where did the rumours about Zaha and Moyes’ daughter start from? If he’s supposedly never even met her?

I think it was probably said as a joke because Zaha wasn't getting any games under Moyes and the reason why he wasn't even being given a chance was not obvious

Verminator · Sep 19, 2020

Fluctuation0161 said:
We were shit. Need more signings to improve squad depth.

But wtf was that penalty debacle? That was a critical point in the game. Is Kevin Keegan the man in the VAR room? Or Zahas dad?

Or Moyes' daughter?

Random Task · Sep 19, 2020

Mike Buckley said:
This is hilarious. If you lots had won you would be hailing the youngsters and the ole regeneration. One defeat in 15 and your asking for ole to be sacked, moaning at the board and that the players aren't good enough fickle or what.

But we didn't win and, what is infinitely worse, we never looked likely to win.

Sometimes the flack is undeserved but that's not the case today.

Zexstream · Sep 19, 2020

Even the fans in the stadium gave up and went home early.

glazed · Sep 19, 2020

GiddyUp said:
6 or 7 more games like today and we are fecking done. It's guaranteed we will have more days like this.

We were awful for great swathes of last season yet finished third. Personally I think the Bruno effect was more to do with clubs not figuring him out at first, and not because he was a genius who ran out of gas.

What I see is a lack of tactical coaching. The players are making it up as they go so it's all a bit rubbish. And rotating players struggle to adapt to unspokne understandings between players.

Dazzmondo · Sep 19, 2020

If you don't invest in the club, the club goes backwards. It's not surprising, was pretty pessimistic once the team lineup was announced. The right hand side of our team with TFM and James are genuinely relegation quality players (not hyperbole, no Premier League team would actively want to buy those players). Telles seems likely, not that big a fan of him tbh but we definitely need somebody for lb. Shame things couldn't be agreed with Reguillon. Telles is probably backup to Shaw rather than his replacement, solid going forward, pretty poor defensively. Sancho obviously should have been bought over a month ago. Don't know whether it will be completed or not but I assume if not we'll bring in someone on loan. Arsenal look better than us this season. Wolves and Everton could challenge for top 4. Top 3 are absolutely miles ahead now.

United492 · Sep 19, 2020

Kostov said:
Spot on.

We rely on players like Rashford and Pogba, players who are absolute shit when they have a stinker, and that is like almost every second or third game.

Rashford hasn't ever been anything more than decent. But he's English. English = massive over hype. Fair play, he's exceeded expectations in everything he's done off the pitch, but I don't think he'll ever live up to expectations on it.

meamth · Sep 19, 2020

RedDevil@84 said:
So if we do a LLWDL, its ok

The meltdown looks fair to me, given we have the same team, same coaches, similar levels of performance from last season. It is not like something has changed over the break.

Nah man, I understood how fecked our pre season/transfer business were.

This is expected today. Covid, the board, the manager, the players, they have to be blamed today.

But I will relax before having an actual meltdown.

Sandikan · Sep 19, 2020

It's a mixture of it being the classic failure to strengthen after hitting champions league qualification, mixed with the quite unusual situation of playing later into the summer in Europe, mixed with being 1 week behind Palace for fitness.

Perfect storm of sh!tnesss really.

DevilRed · Sep 19, 2020

So much pressure for the next one against brighton. We will need to win that or I can see us spiralling downwards.

Frustrating that we don't play like a team. Even the new boy Donny said we were playing much faster and quicker in training the whole week and then somehow we shat the bed completely today.

Performance anxiety? OGS needs to fix it quickly. With or without signings we should be able to score goals like we did last season.

PoTMS · Sep 19, 2020

Woodzy said:
Essentially, as it stands this summer, all we've done is allow the title challengers to pull further away from us and the top 4 challengers overtake us. Such a huge lack of ambition.

Corrected.

Sara125 · Sep 19, 2020

Gazza said:
I think it was probably said as a joke because Zaha wasn't getting any games under Moyes and the reason why he wasn't even being given a chance was not obvious

This makes sense

DomesticTadpole · Sep 19, 2020

mazhar13 said:
Regardless of all of the good work that Ole does, I find that he doesn't necessarily have the courage to take chances with his first XI and subs. Whilst an overall lack of match sharpness was certainly a factor, we could have tried to mitigate that given that we did have one pre-season match.

Martial, Pogba, and Lindelof didn't play any pre-season football with United. It was quite clear that they weren't in sync with the rest of the team (to varying degrees). James also played on the right instead of the left. Why couldn't Ole have fielded a midfield of McTominay-van de Beek-Fernandes? Why couldn't James play on the left and Rashford on the right? Why couldn't Fosu-Mensah play at CB with one of Dalot or Brandon Williams at right back? Why couldn't Ighalo start in place of Martial?

Sure, we may not have had our strongest XI on paper, but at least we'd have had a side that'd be more familiar with and get more out of each other. The likes of Pogba and Martial could then have been options off the bench to make us even better. As it stands, though, our overall sloppiness and lack of sharpness was telling. Whenever Palace pressed us at the start, the midfielders didn't have instant options to play a pass to, and they needed extra touches to settle on the ball. Both Maguire and Lindelof became hesitant to play through the midfield, which slowed us down big time and made us easier to defend.

Maybe Ole wants more good players in his squad before he can take those chances, but at this point, if fielding our best XI gives us this kind of a performance, then he may have no choice but to take chances as the team continues to sharpen up and get ready for a long season ahead.

I was gobsmacked when Pogba started. It was obvious he would struggle due to lack of training. Donny should have started.

Maluco · Sep 19, 2020

kouroux said:
And it could have easily been much worse if Ayew wasn't such a shit player

I know!! I am reading comments about VAR and the like, but Palace should have had more! They had quite a few chances where players made the wrong final pass when they were more or less clean through.

They were clear winners and 5-1 wouldn’t have flattered them. It’s Palace at Old Trafford. You would have to be mad not to be concerned.

Leftback99 · Sep 19, 2020

Fooza said:
Call this kneejerk, but we are nowhere near the top teams this season and it's worrying our unfit we are still.

I'm also concerned being in the CL with this team. Sancho or not, the transfer window can't save us as it's far too late to get what we really need to be close to challenging anything.

We need a reality check at how inept the manutd hierarchy are.

Of course we're unfit we've been training barely 2 weeks at best with an international break in between.

How many times have we watched pre season tour games where we play a foreign team well behind in their preparations and beat them comfortably. This is no different.

RedBanker · Sep 19, 2020

So who do we need now
Koulibaly and Upemecano
Telles
Sancho

The list is endless.

Salus Populi Suprema Lex · Sep 19, 2020

Sandikan said:
It's a mixture of it being the classic failure to strengthen after hitting champions league qualification, mixed with the quite unusual situation of playing later into the summer in Europe, mixed with being 1 week behind Palace for fitness.

Perfect storm of sh!tnesss really.

Yes, yet again we watch as rivals improve their squad and have a plan. Our club is led by fools.

pratyush_utd · Sep 19, 2020

If players weren't fit then don't play them.

Not sure how Lingard would have played worse than Pogba or Bruno? Or Bailly than Lindelof? Bruno and Pogba looked unfit and we barely had any control in midfield. Would Fred be that bad that he didn't play ahead of Pogba?

Ole needs to understand that just by putting big names doesn't win you games. Play the team that is fit enough to play. Making decisions is what he gets paid for and he gets them wrong everytime.

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