Ivan Perisic or Bale as short term solution

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Heh - well, perhaps my mind wasn't 100% made up in the first place with regard to ONE of the players in the OP.

But I guess the basic point (which I tried to argue - not that successfully, it seems) is that if you're at a rebuild stage, at a stage where your main goal is to keep adding pieces to the puzzle with a long-term plan in mind, THEN it doesn't make that much sense to bring in established 30+ players who will likely get a lot of minutes (and even become default starters - at least that would seem likely in Bale's case). If you're chasing trophies, here and now, it makes sense - of course: you need proven quality in every part of the team, including backup-options. But as I see it, we aren't primarily chasing trophies at this stage - we're still...getting there.

Ighalo (who has been mentioned already) is in a different category from either Perisic or (especially) Bale: he's an obvious short-term backup option who is happy to mainly sit on the bench (rather than fading into further obscurity in China). Perisic is a CL winner and a player who obviously won't fancy himself as a designated bench option who'll be feeding on scraps (like Ighalo will). Bale is a huge name - a player who'd make grand headlines were he to join United (won't happen now, thankfully, and was probably never on the cards - but the point stands).

But I do concede that if we fail to bring in an obvious upgrade who makes sense on all levels (e.g. Sancho), then getting someone like Perisic (not Bale - and he was part of the original question) on a deal which doesn't strain resources and which is decidedly short-term...might be...okay?

Fair enough?
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That's really invalid point from what I understand about Ole. We aren't talking about 31 years old Ronaldo or Robben here. Ole made himself clear to even someone like Lukaku & Sanchez that they won't be guaranteed starters and instead asked them to fight their spot to compete. He's fully understand the situation and signing 31 years old wingers won't change it, fact is that he would have spoke about this to the player and the agent which is likely why Bale didn't fancy to join us.

You are just making assumption here. According to Bayern fans Perisic is a hard working player who is ready to sit on the bench for most of the season.
https://www.bayernforum.com/personnel-f8/ivan-perisic-t57595-570.html

Perisic is ideal for one year term plan to improve our squad depth quality this year. Rather than having Lingard or Mata, we will have Perisic a CL winner instead to rotate and play in CL so we don't need to keep playing the same front three in CL & PL or overplay our young players. This type of signing still makes sense.
 

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Think the boat has sailed for Bale, also I think for a confidence player coming back to no crowds won't suit him. No issue with a Perisic loan. Looked good for Bayern. Predominantly plays off the left so would maybe fit into a 4 4 2 as a pose to our 4 5 1/ 4 3 3
 

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Perisic is ideal for one year term plan to improve our squad depth quality this year.
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Yeah, okay - since you won't quit, fine: he's grand.

He isn't a player who would play the Mata role, though (which is what you explicitly suggested previously). If he came to United, he would per default play much more than Mata would - in fact, given that Greenwood is still just a kid, he'd probably be a starter more than anything.

Anyway, he's a good player - I actually like him. So, I wouldn't cry if it happened.

As others have said, though - are we even in for him (per more or less reliable sources)?
 

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Yeah, okay - since you won't quit, fine: he's grand.

He isn't a player who would play the Mata role, though (which is what you explicitly suggested previously). If he came to United, he would per default play much more than Mata would - in fact, given that Greenwood is still just a kid, he'd probably be a starter more than anything.

Anyway, he's a good player - I actually like him. So, I wouldn't cry if it happened.

As others have said, though - are we even in for him (per more or less reliable sources)?
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If you read the whole post rather than reading just one sentence, this discussion will go smoothly. However, I have no business to waste my time repeating what I mentioned or talking to someone who doesn't want to read, missed the point and still replying.
 

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Hope we actually do go for Perisic when Sancho hopes finally die, but I doubt it. Have seen nothing to suggest its even a remote possibility, other than common sense seeing we need someone like him and him being somewhat available.
 

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Considering how Rashford is playing. I would take Perisic on loan regardless of what happens with Sancho. We need a left winger.
 

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Considering how Rashford is playing. I would take Perisic on loan regardless of what happens with Sancho. We need a left winger.
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Exactly what i keep saying.

we need cover / competition for Rashford, because at the moment, this kid is taking for granted his LW position. He’s been putting poor performances since the end of last season, and today was not different.
 

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Some fans seem to think the club will implode if someone, or anyone close to their 30s comes in, and lack a bit of pragmatism to balance. Personally I feel that players like Willian and Perisic on decent contracts are great signing if used smart. Their wow factors are simply being excellent bench options and still maintain great consistency on a bad day, traits wich are severely undervalued and essentially vital to a winning side. Sure, the youth have a higher ceiling but they also have a shockingly lower bottom. Most of all a smart team need excellent rotational options and reliable players off the bench. It only serves to take pressure off our emerging players and labeling that as cannibalism on their development is an odd take. I always had a good eye to Perisic and would be happy if he came in, and a bit saddened we missed out on a Willian on a short deal. The cost, easily offset by offloading some of the rejects. But that's easier said than done.
 

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What does it say about United as a club if we end up bringing Perisic in, thereby, along with Maguire, ending up with two of our previous manager's top targets who we then went on to sack? Worse still is that Mourinho was derided by so many (rightly or wrongly) for wanting these players in the first place.

To me this isn't embarrassing, it's bloody well mortifying.
 

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What does it say about United as a club if we end up bringing Perisic in, thereby, along with Maguire, ending up with two of our previous manager's top targets who we then went on to sack? Worse still is that Mourinho was derided by so many (rightly or wrongly) for wanting these players in the first place.

To me this isn't embarrassing, it's bloody well mortifying.
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He wouldn't be my first choice but the problem is I can't see us being able to afford a top CB, Sancho & LB
 

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Too bad Zaha is not the shiny new toy anymore and Crystal palace is probably asking for a lot of money as well.
 

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If we prefer Perisic ahead of Bale I will go mad!!
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Perisic is coming off a very good CL winning season. Bale hasn’t played consistently for nearly two years. On current form Perisic is by far the better player.
 

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What does it say about United as a club if we end up bringing Perisic in, thereby, along with Maguire, ending up with two of our previous manager's top targets who we then went on to sack? Worse still is that Mourinho was derided by so many (rightly or wrongly) for wanting these players in the first place.

To me this isn't embarrassing, it's bloody well mortifying.
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In general it wouldn't mean anything without a framework. Bayern wanted Sane the last two summers, Real wanted Ronaldo, Hazard for many summers, Liverpool went back for Salah etc. It seems teams have targets no matter who is the manager. This can be down to the club's structure (DOF or just because Perez for example wants a new toy).

In our case, it can also mean lack of scouting or lack of transfer funds in that timeperiod or our manager's reluctance (see Herrera with Moyes).

Going by our transfers from Moyes till today, I would guess its lack of scouting.
 

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Picking up from his horrendous form from the end of last season, Rashford will be watching Perisic start ahead of him
 

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Perisic with a younger winger option like Sarr would be sound business. Both would provide good cover and would increase the quality of depth in our squad. It also looks like we have a free run at Sarr with the dippers signing Jota.
 

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Perisic with a younger winger option like Sarr would be sound business. Both would provide good cover and would increase the quality of depth in our squad. It also looks like we have a free run at Sarr with the dippers signing Jota.
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Well Cooper did suggest it was a possibility the other week on Sky Sports so maybe there is something in it
 

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Perisic makes a lot of sense at this point. Even if sancho somehow came off (whcih is wont), extra cover in the wings is essential. Quality player but obv not at the right age for a perm signing. Do a good job for a year
 

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So Mourinho was right after all!

He wanted perisic, William and Maguire. Woody said no to all of them. And let's be honest, 2 years after his departure, both perisic and willian would be considered good additions to our squad!!
 

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So Mourinho was right after all!

He wanted perisic, William and Maguire. Woody said no to all of them. And let's be honest, 2 years after his departure, both perisic and willian would be considered good additions to our squad!!
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Also wanted to get rid of Martial though.
 

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So Mourinho was right after all!

He wanted perisic, William and Maguire. Woody said no to all of them. And let's be honest, 2 years after his departure, both perisic and willian would be considered good additions to our squad!!
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Like feck he was.
 

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Also wanted to get rid of Martial though.
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Ya thats the caveat. Although although...there was method to Jose's madness.
He wanted to keep Lukaku who has proven to be an excellent striker at Inter and he wanted to have Willian and Perisic, two true wingers who could provide excellent service to Lukaku.

It would just be a much different style of play to what we play now but it would work.
While selling Martial stinks look at it this way. Jose preferred Lukaku. He wasnt necessarily wrong either, he wanted us to play so it fits Lukaku, not Martial.

I mean it would have worked. But oh well. Not like what we have now is bad either, we just play completely differently.
 

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Ya thats the caveat. Although although...there was method to Jose's madness.
He wanted to keep Lukaku who has proven to be an excellent striker at Inter and he wanted to have Willian and Perisic, two true wingers who could provide excellent service to Lukaku.

It would just be a much different style of play to what we play now but it would work.
While selling Martial stinks look at it this way. Jose preferred Lukaku. He wasnt necessarily wrong either, he wanted us to play so it fits Lukaku, not Martial.

I mean it would have worked. But oh well. Not like what we have now is bad either, we just play completely differently.
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Thing with Jose, the board had to 100% back him to bring trophies. Which they did not. Also I did feel at the end he’d completely lost everyone in the dressing room (including the likes of Lukaku!).
 

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DRM said:
So Mourinho was right after all!

He wanted perisic, William and Maguire. Woody said no to all of them. And let's be honest, 2 years after his departure, both perisic and willian would be considered good additions to our squad!!
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No, he wasn't right.

He wanted Perisic when his price was around 50 million and as Martial replacement. Now we need him as a back up player on loan. There is a huge difference.

As per his mouthpiece, Jose never wanted Maguire, he wanted experienced CBs like Boateng, Toby and Godin.
 

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Ya thats the caveat. Although although...there was method to Jose's madness.
He wanted to keep Lukaku who has proven to be an excellent striker at Inter and he wanted to have Willian and Perisic, two true wingers who could provide excellent service to Lukaku.

It would just be a much different style of play to what we play now but it would work.
While selling Martial stinks look at it this way. Jose preferred Lukaku. He wasnt necessarily wrong either, he wanted us to play so it fits Lukaku, not Martial.

I mean it would have worked. But oh well. Not like what we have now is bad either, we just play completely differently.
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How on earth can you say with such confidence that it would have worked? And what are you defining as 'working'? Competing for titles? Top 4? 'cos we had Lukaku and we didn't make top 4 in his final year. He was crap! Putting two ageing wingers in Willian (who Chelsea weren't at pains to keep on) and Perisic either side of Lukaku is no guarantee of success.
 

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How on earth can you say with such confidence that it would have worked? And what are you defining as 'working'? Competing for titles? Top 4? 'cos we had Lukaku and we didn't make top 4 in his final year. He was crap! Putting two ageing wingers in Willian (who Chelsea weren't at pains to keep on) and Perisic either side of Lukaku is no guarantee of success.
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Lukaku scored 1goal in 23 appearances against the top 6 at United. Mostly under Jose. He got overweight and unfit, and had a stinking attitude under Jose. He went months without scoring under Jose. If you look at his league goals, it was 16 in his first season and 12 in his second. That’s average at best for a player who was a guaranteed first starter under Jose.

He’s nowhere near top class. Thank his he’s no longer here sticking the place out.
 

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DRM said:
So Mourinho was right after all!

He wanted perisic, William and Maguire. Woody said no to all of them. And let's be honest, 2 years after his departure, both perisic and willian would be considered good additions to our squad!!
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God no. William on a 3 year deal, no thanks - we’ve had far too many players like this.

Perisic would be a back up player. Which yea we could do with. But that would have meant we paid £50m for a player who two years later is a squad player, on a massive contract. Thank goodness we are not in that position.

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Thing with Jose, the board had to 100% back him to bring trophies. Which they did not. Also I did feel at the end he’d completely lost everyone in the dressing room (including the likes of Lukaku!).
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He was backed. How much did he spend? No manager can have freedom just to go any buy everyone they want. There is always a budget. And there has to be checks and balances.

In 18 months at Utd there can’t be many teams that spent more than him.
 

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Lukaku scored 1goal in 23 appearances against the top 6 at United. Mostly under Jose. He got overweight and unfit, and had a stinking attitude under Jose. He went months without scoring under Jose. If you look at his league goals, it was 16 in his first season and 12 in his second. That’s average at best for a player who was a guaranteed first starter under Jose.

He’s nowhere near top class. Thank his he’s no longer here sticking the place out.
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Agreed. For some reason people still think we should have built our attack around him. I mean, how conclusive can the evidence possibly be?!
 

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I'd take Perisic on loan 100%.

I've thought he's brilliant whenever i've seen him. And he's 31 so will still have another big season or two in him.

Then sign a long-term solution when Covid is a footnote
 

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I'd take Perisic on loan 100%.

I've thought he's brilliant whenever i've seen him. And he's 31 so will still have another big season or two in him.

Then sign a long-term solution when Covid is a footnote
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Perhaps we can pay the same % of his wages that Inter payed for Sanchez?

I don’t imagine Inter will be keen to loan him for another year and will want him gone permanently. This could be a last min deal once those options have been extinguished.
 
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