Accumulated fatigue is a real thing.

Santoryo

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I see people have been quick to trash and berate us due to our opening games performances but as shown all over Europe, teams who have had longer seasons are suffering the consequences right now. It's not simply a case of assuming here but stating facts. Anyone actually thinking the past 3 games reflect our true level have got this whole thing wrong.

We've now seen Bayern the best team in Europe get trashed, City just got a whooping, We got done in by Palace and struggled to pull a result against Brighton. None of those game reflect any of those teams real level. We've put in some slow and labored performances these opening games not due to players level or coaching but due to fitness. Some players aren't sharp enough, or have accumulated too much fatigue which lead to slow and labored performances.

Pogba, Bruno, Martial etc aren't as poor, slow, heavy as they've shown the last few games. The issue right now is a fitness one and people shouldn't be quick to judge our entire season based on these opening games. We ought to wait a bit, give the team time to try normalize things and hope their start performing to their real level soon. In the mean time let's hope we grab results while we're trying to get our fitness and sharpness at an appropriate level.
 

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Santoryo said:
I see people have been quick to trash and berate us due to our opening games performances but as shown all over Europe, teams who have had longer seasons are suffering the consequences right now. It's not simply a case of assuming here but stating facts. Anyone actually thinking the past 3 games reflect our true level have got this whole thing wrong.

We've now seen Bayern the best team in Europe get trashed, City just got a whooping, We got done in by Palace and struggled to pull a result against Brighton. None of those game reflect any of those teams real level. We've put in some slow and labored performances these opening games not due to players level or coaching but due to fitness. Some players aren't sharp enough, or have accumulated too much fatigue which lead to slow and labored performances.

Pogba, Bruno, Martial etc aren't as poor, slow, heavy as they've shown the last few games. The issue right now is a fitness one and people shouldn't be quick to judge our entire season based on these opening games. We ought to wait a bit, give the team time to try normalize things and hope their start performing to their real level soon. In the mean time let's hope we grab results while we're trying to get our fitness and sharpness at an appropriate level.
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You're right, but it won't stop the agenda posters talk about how Ole is ruining us, etc etc. We've seen them all pollute both Ole threads thus far and both post-match threads.

Unfortunately I fear you're fighting a losing battle on this front.
 

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Spurs played today, then they play on Tuesday, then Thursday and then against us on Sunday :lol:
 

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This season is a write off if we are tired already. It may well be the case.

The money men wouldn't let us have a proper break,pre season so not much we can do.
 

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Don't think there is actually.
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I did wonder if it would be scrapped to ensure the league finishes in time. It's a joke, our 'break' was utterly pointless when half the team was called up for International games, we may as well played the first game week
 

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But how do we fix it though? It's already a shorter season so we're not going to get much time to rest, and we don't have good back-up players

AWB, Pogba, Bruno and Martial all look knackered
 

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izec said:
Spurs played today, then they play on Tuesday, then Thursday and then against us on Sunday :lol:
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They don’t play on Thursday. But yeah they’ve had a shed load of fixtures. Hopefully Son is out injured against us too.
 

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You'll see in a few years time, after players going through two major international competitions in two consecutive years.
 

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You can add PSG to the list too.

Obviously it's a real thing but some people made their mind up from march last year and will take any opportunity to trash the management no matter the context.

I'm not sure about the numbers but i think it takes about 5 or 6 games to get decent match sharpness. We had one friendly and 3 official games and some players had an international. Others are way behind like Pogba. Probably another 2 games or so until we get to a decent level.
 

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Was the seasons rebalanced due to the virus? Did it start with a less break inbetween 2 seasons in most leagues?
 

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I already had a feeling that injuries would be a major problem this season. We might even see some players have their careers shortened due to this. Going out to Atletico might have benefitted Liverpool in the long run as they've had a much longer break.
 

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A season with a busier schedule than usual, then the EURO's, then the new season which will be split in half by the World Cup. It will take a couple of years before football recovers I feel.
 

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Crazy to think that it’s going to continue because keep in mind they have the euros upcoming this summer and then the following season will either start early or finish late because of the winter World Cup Qatar was awarded by the crooks.
 

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charlenefan said:
I did wonder if it would be scrapped to ensure the league finishes in time. It's a joke, our 'break' was utterly pointless when half the team was called up for International games, we may as well played the first game week
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All of the international breaks this year should've been scrapped, the next few are triple headers, for feck's sake. The players will be running on empty by Christmas. In all honesty I think the LC should've been scrapped as well, it's a joke.
 

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There should be a break to be fair at some point.

The biggest crime is allowing pointless international games the fecking cnuts. Or, they could just cancel the carbao cup because no one gives a shit.
 

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I'm surprised nothing was done to make the schedule less hectic this season. They could've scraped the League Cup, gotten rid of non-qualifier international matches, and/or switched European matches to a one-leg knockout format. So many levers that could've been pulled.
 

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Yep this is a thing. I was thinking we've had no preseason. We finished later than most in Europe. Then some of our players had that stupid international games (couldn't that have been cancelled?), and now straight into competition.
We will have to gain our match fitness as we go along.

Anyone else notice how leggy we look? I'm sure there is some hard training on top of everything.
 

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VP89 said:
There should be a break to be fair at some point.

The biggest crime is allowing pointless international games the fecking cnuts. Or, they could just cancel the carbao cup because no one gives a shit.
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Just said this! Totally unnecessary!
 

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Santoryo said:
I see people have been quick to trash and berate us due to our opening games performances but as shown all over Europe, teams who have had longer seasons are suffering the consequences right now. It's not simply a case of assuming here but stating facts. Anyone actually thinking the past 3 games reflect our true level have got this whole thing wrong.

We've now seen Bayern the best team in Europe get trashed, City just got a whooping, We got done in by Palace and struggled to pull a result against Brighton. None of those game reflect any of those teams real level. We've put in some slow and labored performances these opening games not due to players level or coaching but due to fitness. Some players aren't sharp enough, or have accumulated too much fatigue which lead to slow and labored performances.

Pogba, Bruno, Martial etc aren't as poor, slow, heavy as they've shown the last few games. The issue right now is a fitness one and people shouldn't be quick to judge our entire season based on these opening games. We ought to wait a bit, give the team time to try normalize things and hope their start performing to their real level soon. In the mean time let's hope we grab results while we're trying to get our fitness and sharpness at an appropriate level.
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It's tempting to assume fairly few on here do any kind of physical activity at all. You won't know what fatigue is if you never push yourself.
 

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Santoryo said:
I see people have been quick to trash and berate us due to our opening games performances but as shown all over Europe, teams who have had longer seasons are suffering the consequences right now. It's not simply a case of assuming here but stating facts. Anyone actually thinking the past 3 games reflect our true level have got this whole thing wrong.

We've now seen Bayern the best team in Europe get trashed, City just got a whooping, We got done in by Palace and struggled to pull a result against Brighton. None of those game reflect any of those teams real level. We've put in some slow and labored performances these opening games not due to players level or coaching but due to fitness. Some players aren't sharp enough, or have accumulated too much fatigue which lead to slow and labored performances.

Pogba, Bruno, Martial etc aren't as poor, slow, heavy as they've shown the last few games. The issue right now is a fitness one and people shouldn't be quick to judge our entire season based on these opening games. We ought to wait a bit, give the team time to try normalize things and hope their start performing to their real level soon. In the mean time let's hope we grab results while we're trying to get our fitness and sharpness at an appropriate level.
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Only if teams like City experience it.

Can’t be true if it’s an OGS team because he doesn’t know coaching or patterns of play :wenger:
 

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Big Ben Foster said:
I'm surprised nothing was done to make the schedule less hectic this season. They could've scraped the League Cup, gotten rid of non-qualifier international matches, and/or switched European matches to a one-leg knockout format. So many levers that could've been pulled.
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They have done some things. No replays in cup competitions and reduced the league cup semi finals to a single leg.

The internationals are an area that’s so obvious to have taken off the schedule.
 

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That is why they get paid ridiculous wages and a team is made of more than 11 players. If the coaches sees a player isn’t fit, then he should call on the depth of his team, rather than run a player into the ground. Or if that players needs fitness, then there is a lot of games to make him match fit. There is no excuse and it is all about squad management and sport science training equipment facilities.
 

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VP89 said:
There should be a break to be fair at some point.

The biggest crime is allowing pointless international games the fecking cnuts. Or, they could just cancel the carbao cup because no one gives a shit.
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Carbao will give a shit about it but yes International games should be scrapped as should the Euro's this summer as summer 2022 will be the WC so players won't get any meaningful break for 3 years now
 

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That's why I don't blame some of the lads for going overseas on a quick vacation, they need a break for the mental fatigue after that run in.
 

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I don't think City suffer with it. They just got tactically destroyed and not strong in defense.
It is just us for some reason as an excuse.
 

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But if it's accumulated fatigue then we might as well just forfeit the season already. There won't be a break until... well, for many of our players, until Euro 2021 is over.
 

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FC Copenhagen who are usually a certainty for a title challenge have started the season in Denmark with 1 point from the first three matches as well.
 

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We can even add PSG who started their campaign with 2 defeat on the bounce despite being by far the best team in their league. Sevilla are currently struggling against lowly Cadiz.

I mean do some people honestly believe out players are as heavy as they've looked so far. Hate or love Pogba, do people seriously believe that he can't make a simple pass? We know Bruno can give the ball away but was it as bad and has he looked as hopeless as the last few games? Martial looks unable to run, our defense despite its issues isn't as poor as it's been the past few games. We've already conceded 5 in the league and we're a lot more solid than that.

These guys aren't simply there fitness wise. Pogba clearly lacks sharpness, especially after coming back from just recovering from corona. The likes of Martial and Bruno have accumulated too much fatigue which has reflected in their slow, labored and sloppy performances.

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That is why they get paid ridiculous wages and a team is made of more than 11 players. If the coaches sees a player isn’t fit, then he should call on the depth of his team, rather than run a player into the ground. Or if that players needs fitness, then there is a lot of games to make him match fit. There is no excuse and it is all about squad management and sport science training equipment facilities.
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Yeah go tell all that to Pep(City), Flick(Bayern), Tuchel(PSG) and plenty other teams who have so far suffered from having long seasons.
 

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Amadaeus said:
That is why they get paid ridiculous wages and a team is made of more than 11 players. If the coaches sees a player isn’t fit, then he should call on the depth of his team, rather than run a player into the ground. Or if that players needs fitness, then there is a lot of games to make him match fit. There is no excuse and it is all about squad management and sport science training equipment facilities.
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And yet every team who played euro matches after seasons endand even some that didn’t are suffering.

But yeah, internet key board coach knows better :houllier:
 

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You got to treat first weeks as a preseason. It will cost you points, but there is no way around it. If you force something you will get burned. If not now, then at the end of the season.

Now people will say, play reserves against Brighton in midweek, but my solutions is no. You play those who need to be fit. If it is our starting XI then so be it. Work on players fitness and sharpness. That is most important. If we go through, good.
 

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BulgarianDevil91 said:
You'll see in a few years time, after players going through two major international competitions in two consecutive years.
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horsechoker said:
I already had a feeling that injuries would be a major problem this season. We might even see some players have their careers shortened due to this. Going out to Atletico might have benefitted Liverpool in the long run as they've had a much longer break.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...turning-arsenal-exhausted-man-world-football/
 
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