Negotiating the deal with Lazio isn't the issue. Giving him a new four-year contract last summer is. The result of the 2019 mistake is the struggle to let him go in 2020.Pathetic deal. We can't negotiate shit.
The fact that Lazio weren’t even bothered to negotiate a reasonable amount for the buy-option is quite telling.If its only an option to buy and not a guarantee, whats the betting they say no thanks at the end of the loan? There is nothing special about him at all.
Cafe last season - OMG Andreas Pereria is dog shit and shouldn't play again for United. Championship level footballer, get rid NOW!!!fecking hell. People will literally moan at everything the club does won’t they.
It's absolutely amazing isn't it.Negotiating the deal with Lazio isn't the issue. Giving him a new four-year contract last summer is. The result of the 2019 mistake is the struggle to let him go in 2020.
It’s fecking nauseating.fecking hell. People will literally moan at everything the club does won’t they.
It really is unbearable at the moment.fecking hell. People will literally moan at everything the club does won’t they.
No, he got the extension so we could give him a proper chance. He's got the chance now and proven to not be good enough.This is kind of deal we’ll probably end up accepting for a few players now before they inevitably all return next summer. Another one who got a new contract for bookkeeping rather than football reasons.
That is the state our fan become. A even bigger joke than our ineffective board.fecking hell. People will literally moan at everything the club does won’t they.
It was obviously for football reasons, though I always suspected it was less about ability and more to do with our lack of numbers in midfield.No, he got the extension so we could give him a proper chance. He's got the chance now and proven to not be good enough.
Most likely his value is in the fecking gutter because the guy lost his place and never was to be seen again. He at least gets a chance to play in a league that allows players to have a bit more time in position, and he can show what he can offer. Wasn't going to happen here. If he gets sold for 18 that's probably 10 more than most clubs offered right now.Shared wage...
And who would think Lazio would pay transfer fee while taking Pereira full wage, next summer?
Yeah you are probably rightAt least it's some of his wages off the books. Better than nothing, and honestly probably the best we can do at this point for a player of his caliber on the wages he's on. Best case scenario is he generates some interest during this loan and someone takes him off our hands permanently next year.
Like Bremen with Chong, they just don't want a gamble in this pandemic era.Shared wage...
And who would think Lazio would pay transfer fee while taking Pereira full wage, next summer?
Depends on source. Some said he's on 60k+. I don't trust Lazio to follow through with the transfer unless Pereira has astronomical transformation (highly unlikely). Bielsa quit on Lazio since they struggled to get his transfer targets. You just mentioned pandemic, even Juventus feels it. And for Lazio kind of club it even hit harder.Like Bremen with Chong, they just don't want a gamble in this pandemic era.
If he is good enough, they will take his full wage and buy him. Anyway, his wage is only 30k/week, it's not even half of Lingard's wage.
Pereira is cheap and young, he is not a finish product. This is why they want him, and the source that told his wage 60k+ should be ban.Depends on source. Some said he's on 60k+. I don't trust Lazio to follow through with the transfer unless Pereira has astronomical transformation (highly unlikely). Bielsa quit on Lazio since they struggled to get his transfer targets. You just mentioned pandemic, even Juventus feels it. And for Lazio kind of club it even hit harder.
Sound like they just try to fill their squad with some loan and weather the storm. Wouldn't have my hope up if I were you
Lazio made 2 signings this summer so far. 1 on free, Pepe Reina. Muriqui for less than 20mil. They failed to attract David Silva for free despite having CL football to offer. Couldn't get Borja Mayoral either.Pereira is cheap and young, he is not a finish product. This is why they want him, and the source that told his wage 60k+ should be ban.
This is the most reliable source
https://www.spotrac.com/epl/manchester-united-fc/payroll/
No another one who got a new contract and within no time is surplus to requirements but difficult to offload.No, he got the extension so we could give him a proper chance. He's got the chance now and proven to not be good enough.
I agree it's not important but why even bother putting it in there? What are we hedging against? We could just as easily loan him out without any buy option at all.Still getting worked up over the €27M number I see. It is just a hedge on our end, and not that relevant.
They’ll just let it run out and haggle for him if they want to like Mike with Roma.
You put it in there as a favor to the loanee in case they want to prevent him hitting the open market. And you set it artificially inflated in case he has a miraculous career-changing breakthrough and actually becomes worth that. It works as a hedge for both sides.I agree it's not important but why even bother putting it in there? What are we hedging against? We could just as easily loan him out without any buy option at all.
It does seem utterly meaningless in this case which makes me wonder if its true. We’re loaning them a player i don’t see any incentive to do them a favour. No option is better than an option for us, so why do it? I can’t imagine its a deal breaker for Lazio when the fee is beyond what they’ll pay anyway.You put it in there as a favor to the loanee in case they want to prevent him hitting the open market. And you set it artificially inflated in case he has a miraculous career-changing breakthrough and actually becomes worth that. It works as a hedge for both sides.
Once you get past the point they won’t take an obligation to buy, the option to buy number becomes almost meaningless and not worth worrying about in most cases.
We clearly want to get rid. With that in mind, this deal looks shite, and heavily depends on Pereira to turn out great, which is unlikely, to achieve that goal. There is no prevent Pereira to come back next season.You put it in there as a favor to the loanee in case they want to prevent him hitting the open market. And you set it artificially inflated in case he has a miraculous career-changing breakthrough and actually becomes worth that. It works as a hedge for both sides.
Once you get past the point they won’t take an obligation to buy, the option to buy number becomes almost meaningless and not worth worrying about in most cases.
And hence the number is meaningless in this scenario, so why whinge about it? That is not the point of criticism worth attention in this deal.We clearly want to get rid. With that in mind, this deal looks shite, and heavily depends on Pereira to turn out great, which is unlikely, to achieve that goal. There is no prevent Pereira to come back next season.
If he would do so well, we wouldn't have been short of option to sell. His contract with us, is already our hedge. Naming a price is just letting Lazio know we're desperate to rid. If Lazio is that desperate in getting him, then they would agree to an obligation to buy at guaranteed softer fee. Lazio clearly isn't.And hence the number is meaningless in this scenario, so why whinge about it? That is not the point of criticism worth attention in this deal.
Because spotrac's source is a publication research in the US, not some kind of twitter rumours that you followed.Lazio made 2 signings this summer so far. 1 on free, Pepe Reina. Muriqui for less than 20mil. They failed to attract David Silva for free despite having CL football to offer. Couldn't get Borja Mayoral either.
What made spotrac most reliable? Why it doesn't have other league wage bill? Go check other sites. Lazio is not shy to pay player more 30k or more. Why do they need us to subsidize Andreas Pereira 30k wage, when it's "cheap and young, ... not a finish product"